ALL recent another head coach options merged-- preMM firing

[swhitset]

Yes, facts do tend to fit the narrative.

especially when you can ignore the ones that don’t.

 

[swhitset]

Especially when ignore the 90% that don’t fit LOL

lol i guess i should read all the replies before i post my own lol

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'M not suggesting they fire Gute. i'm saying a scenario where Hoody was hired that HE'D fire Gute as HE would be the gm.

It doesn't make any sense to speculate about something that will definitely not happen.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Our SB winning team was LOADED with talent though

What I really don't understand is... how has MM not decided to use a similar SPREAD and no huddle approach as he did with that team?? With the current roster..

The 2010 team used a no huddle offense on only 0.7% of the offensive snaps. They're using it way more often this season at a rate of 9.9%.

It's possible they let him stay an extra year even if we do miss the playoffs though. The Clinton-Dix trade suggests Gute is building for the future, and has at least one more year to go in a multi-year plan to fix Ted's mess.

I don't think the Packers would hold on to McCarthy if the team ends up missing the playoffs for the second consecutive time.

 

[Jerellh528]

If we do fire McCarthy, I want someone young, energizing, innovative and ballsy. No retreads, no dinosaurs, no vanilla guys.

 

[Mondio]

What I really don't understand is... how has MM not decided to use a similar SPREAD and no huddle approach as he did with that team?? With the current roster..

The 2010 team used a no huddle offense on only 0.7% of the offensive snaps. They're using it way more often this season at a rate of 9.9%.

Sometimes it would be more appropriate if people just responded with, " I really don't understand" and leave it at that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So the 2015 draft was a disaster obviously...

Jake Ryan is "ok"

The 2014 class was fine with HaHa, Davante Adams, Linsley, Goodson(ok for depth)

The 2016 draft yielded Clark, Martinez, Lowry

Trevor Davis is a good return man and the OL depth, although not good was "something"

The 2017 draft I'm ok with as it yielded Kevin King, Josh Jones, Montravius Adams, Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams.

Other than 2015, and a lack of CONTRIBUTING FAs i see a coaching problem

Here's a good read about the Packers currently paying the price for Thompson's last three drafts:

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-...price-now-for-ted-thompsons-last-three-drafts

Overall though, the level of team speed on this roster is probably better now than at any time since the Super Bowl victory.

Gutekunst drafting a lot of fast players is the reason for that though.

AR has missed more than usual... but there have also been A LOT of drops

According to PFF the Packers have had a total of 13 drops so far this season. There are currently 11 teams with a higher number than that.

No, you're right. MM had nothing to do with the gameplan in 2014 against the Bills that cost the team homefield advantage in the playoffs; nor did MM have anything to do with the scared coaching he did against the Sea Chickens that same year; nor did he have anything to do with the offense falling off a cliff because Jordy got hurt. That was ALL talent.

Take a look at what McVay did against the Packers just this past Sunday. After Scott's shanked punt the Rams ran the ball on nine of their next 10 plays. The only difference to McCarthy doing exactly the same thing against the Seahawks in the 2014 NFCCG is that LA ended up winning the game.

Yet you consider McVay a genius and MM a moron with both using the same method to take time off the clock.

Rodgers' misses (balls in the ground, over their heads, too behind/in-front, etc.) have been way more than normal.

Rodgers is currently ranked only 13th in adjusted completion percentage in the league at 76.0%. The formula accounts for drops, thrown away passes as well as spikes.

Sometimes I wonder if Rodgers is not at his "normal" level due to him trying too hard to live up to his contract.

I highly doubt Rodgers contract is an issue at all.

I won't give ya the red X here but I disagree with some of what you're saying. I don't think MVS is the future at WR.

QB: We're good at 1 and 2. If Rodgers AND Kizer go down we might be in trouble. At that point Randall Cobb is our backup.

The Packers would definitely be in trouble if Rodgers goes down. MVS might not turn out to be a #1 receiver but I definitely expect him to be part of the rotation for the forseeable future.

That's also why I suggested in another post that we trade for OBJ, if he was available.

Stop it, there's no way the Giants are trading OBJ.

Rodgers thrown a slant to the wide open MVS, on the one yard line play, that safety could have been avoided.

MVS wsn't wide open on that play.

Rodgers threw the most passes of his career and the team lost by less than a TD.

Rodgers' 42 passes during the 2014 loss to the Bills ranks tied for 22nd for most attempts in his career. But why bother about facts when you can make stuff up???

 

[Patriotplayer90]

McCarthy is not a good situational football coach. We have mental gaffs at the worst time imaginable. Even some of those wasted TOs could be saved with a better gameplan, IMO.

But talent is clearly the issue. The O line is good, not great. But as far as the skill players go, we have Adams and little else. Nobody else can get open consistently, there really is no speed or playmaking element. The young guys can definitely create a spark , but we need consistent every down threats now. We actually did a great job of keeping the Rams contained, yet they still put up 27. In order to compete in the NFL now, you need players like that around the QB.

 

[PackAttack12]

He had the game in his hands. Do you want to get 2 and a half yards in one play with the best player on the field against a defense in shambles, or try to go 80 yards with backup receivers? It was so instantly obvious to me that he should go for it. No one will ever convince me otherwise. It was gift wrapped for. him. We had the game stolen. He handed it back.

No matter what decision McCarthy makes, if it doesn't work out you will find a way to criticize it by saying he should have done the opposite. Enough wasting my time on this one.

 

[gbgary]

It doesn't make any sense to speculate about something that will definitely not happen.

that's pure speculation on your part.

lol...might as well shut sports sites down then. 90% of it is speculation about things.

 

[gbgary]

MVS wsn't wide open on that play.

uuummm...yes he was. defender was 5 yards off of him. change the play. if rams change throw it away. either way safety avoided.

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1056662560311664641?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1056662560311664641&ref_url=https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Packers-safety-Rams--123938809/

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

It doesn't make any sense to speculate about something that will definitely not happen.

Does anything really make sense honestly ?

 

[Mondio]

uuummm...yes he was. defender was 5 yards off of him. change the play. if rams change throw it away. either way safety avoided.

https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1056662560311664641?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1056662560311664641&ref_url=https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Packers-safety-Rams--123938809/

Not really, he had his back to him, he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. They start that play immediately at the snap of the ball. Was the DB lined up there the entire time? or did he back off? and it's not as easy as "just throw it away". Just throw it away where? to the sideline? Doesn't work if nobody is there. That's intentional ground, which is still a safety in the endzone. and where do you throw it away in the middle of the field? You don't.

and if the Oline would have just blocked that play better, it seems Bulaga or someone didn't get the message, it could have easily been 1st and 10 at the 15 or 20, or even better. If you don't execute properly, the call doesn't matter

 

[gbgary]

Not really, he had his back to him, he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. They start that play immediately at the snap of the ball. Was the DB lined up there the entire time? or did he back off? and it's not as easy as "just throw it away". Just throw it away where? to the sideline? Doesn't work if nobody is there. That's intentional ground, which is still a safety in the endzone. and where do you throw it away in the middle of the field? You don't.

and if the Oline would have just blocked that play better, it seems Bulaga or someone didn't get the message, it could have easily been 1st and 10 at the 15 or 20, or even better. If you don't execute properly, the call doesn't matter

it's all about pre-snap read. my original point was what's happened to the slant?

 

[Mondio]

well, they cut the pre-snap read out of the video. The instant before it is snapped, it's already been read. and if the DB is stepping up immediately at the snap, there won't be room to complete that pass. and then there is nowhere to throw it away too. So now what?

 

[Packer Brother]

Simple question: If Belichick is Rodgers coach since 2008, how many SB titles do we have?

 

[C-Lee]

Simple answer: who cares

 

[PackAttack12]

10.

 

[CaptainCanuck]

Two at least

 

[Packer Brother]

Simple answer: who cares

Apparently you care since you responded....

 

[GleefulGary]

Belly is the greatest coach of the modern era. Of course we would have more.

So what’s the point you’re trying to make? That Belly > MM? I mean, no crap. Nobody is arguing that.

 

[rmontro]

We have virtually no chance of hiring Belichick. But it would be funny if we did, and McCarthy ended up going to New England.
Then we'd see what happens with Belichick coaching Rodgers, and McCarthy coaching Brady.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that.

 

[Poppa San]

If you don't execute properly, the call doesn't matter

Yep. Bottom line is Bulaga missed it.

well, they cut the pre-snap read out of the video. The instant before it is snapped, it's already been read. and if the DB is stepping up immediately at the snap, there won't be room to complete that pass. and then there is nowhere to throw it away too. So now what?

This one didn't cut it out. Starts about 3 seconds before the snap. I only count 10 players per side so someone must be off the top of the screen.

Was the DB lined up there the entire time?

Yes

or did he back off?

NO

 

[speakhands]

Gosh, that's so impossible to project.

I hope that we can all agree that Rodgers is the best QB in the league and that Belichick is by far the greatest coach in NFL history. He's the greatest coach in American sports history in my opinion. What he has done in maintaining a dynasty in the salary cap era despite refusing to keep any stable of players beyond Tom Brady (regularly letting great players like Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, Jamie Collins, Chandler Jones, Wes Welker, etc. walk instead of paying them money) and repeatedly signing in veteran stop-gap players (Corey Dillon, LeGarrete Blount, etc.) is just amazing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

that's pure speculation on your part.

lol...might as well shut sports sites down then. 90% of it is speculation about things.

There are suggestions that seem to be reasonable, making it interesting to speculate about it. Then there are ridiculous ones like in this thread.