Will we have a 2020 NFL Season?

[HardRightEdge]

Daily testing should prevent the virus from spreading in a locker room.

Not necessarily. Consider the case of Freddie Freeman, the Atlanta Braves first baseman. Tested negative, then a couple days later he's in bed with a 104.5 degree fever. Possibly a false negative test. Other than batter-catcher proximity and the occasional play at a base, baseball is largely a socially distanced sport.

 

[rmontro]

Isolating 75-80 players is not easy or cheap. I'm all for it but I SERIOUSLY doubt the majority of NFL owners care enough about player safety to pay that kind of expense.

Especially since I'm sure they'd all be wanting first class luxury treatment.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Isolating 75-80 players is not easy or cheap. I'm all for it but I SERIOUSLY doubt the majority of NFL owners care enough about player safety to pay that kind of expense.

I agree and I would add, how many of the players are actually going to want to isolate from their family, friends and other outside interests for 4-6 months? As I alluded to earlier, a lot of players are already getting antsy for answers that the NFL has not made clear yet.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article244337767.html

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Unlike what the NBA seems to be planning, I doubt NFL players will be "living in a bubble" for the entire season. They still have to venture into public areas to travel, visit family, etc. Not to mention all of the contact with non-players who won't be testing daily. Basically, they will be in exposed situations. While testing sounds great, a test doesn't cure you, nor does it tell you just how many of your teammates you infected between the time period of when you became contagious to when your test result came back positive.

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting NFL players should live in a bubble for the entire season by any means.

I'm taking a look at what has happend with soccer in Europe where regular testing has allowed clubs to isolate positive tested players very quickly. While that hasn't completely stopped other players from getting infected as well teams have been able to contain the virus from spreading in a locker room, resulting in nearly all games in major leagues being played although some had to be postponed for some days.

I don't see any reason the NFL can't come up with a similar plan.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Especially since I'm sure they'd all be wanting first class luxury treatment.

I mean, how excited would you be to live in conditions far below what you're used to in order to make billionaires more money?

 

[HardRightEdge]

I mean, how excited would you be to live in conditions far below what you're used to in order to make billionaires more money?

In this case, it would be in order for billionaires to lose less money. Make no mistake--all owners will lose money playing to empty stadiums while the players receive their full salaries assuming a full slate of games is played. If it's not a full slate, expect the players to be paid less regardless of what the CBA doesn't say and the owners will lose more money.

It's tough all over for a lot of folks. I have a hard time mustering concern for the financial woes of either party in this calculation. The Packers have $450 million in reserve at last report. A season with a substantial net loss can be managed. If this pandemic moves into a third wave and bites into the 2021 season with even more losses, then there's a serious discussion to be had.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

In this case, it would be in order for billionaires to lose less money. Make no mistake--all owners will lose money playing to empty stadiums while the players receive their full salaries assuming a full slate of games is played. If it's not a full slate, expect the players to be paid less regardless of what the CBA doesn't say and the owners will lose more money.

It's tough all over for a lot of folks. I have a hard time mustering concern for the financial woes of either party in this calculation. The Packers have $450 million in reserve at last report. A season with a substantial net loss can be managed. If this pandemic moves into a third wave and bites into the 2021 season with even more losses, then there's a serious discussion to be had.

Oh, I'm not feeling bad for most of the players (the undrafted and late round rookies are pretty much screwed though); I just always try to point out when ppl start siding with the billionaires over the employees.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Major League Baseball started back up Friday and we already have this.....

"Marlins' home opener canceled after players and coaches test positive for COVID-19. The Miami Marlins' home opener against the Baltimore Orioles has been canceled due to a COVID-19 outbreak within the team, according to ESPN."

At least 14 people, including players and coaches, have tested positive in recent days, sources tell ESPN. So how many games will this cancel for the Marlins? How do they make them up? How does that influence the final standings?

Still wonder how they are going to try and have an NFL season. Towards the end of this video, they start talking about the complications involved with this for the Marlins and baseball, will be interesting if they can figure a way around it or not.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...tbreak-resulting-in-at-least-11-player-cases/

 

[HardRightEdge]

Major League Baseball started back up Friday and we already have this.....

"Marlins' home opener canceled after players and coaches test positive for COVID-19. The Miami Marlins' home opener against the Baltimore Orioles has been canceled due to a COVID-19 outbreak within the team, according to ESPN."

At least 14 people, including players and coaches, have tested positive in recent days, sources tell ESPN. So how many games will this cancel for the Marlins? How do they make them up? How does that influence the final standings?

Still wonder how they are going to try and have an NFL season. Towards the end of this video, they start talking about the complications involved with this for the Marlins and baseball, will be interesting if they can figure a way around it or not.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/...tbreak-resulting-in-at-least-11-player-cases/

I was about to post on this. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

I was going to refer to the team in question as the "South Beach Marlins." Hitting bars, going to parties, and swapping spit with hook-ups are surefire ways to bring the virus into the clubhouse. Those activities are the apparent sole raison d'etre of South Beach and like locales notably frequented by pro athletes on the make.

Seriously, though, if young people had resisted those activities, whether the various governments allowed them or not, and the conspiracy theory/American freedoms crowd were fined or arrested, we'd be ahead of the game instead of going backwards. Too late now--too many carriers now spreading this crap around.

 

[El Guapo]

Maybe 2020 should be called "An Elimination Season" for all the major sports? Start the season and teams will have to drop out one at a time due to COVID. Last team with enough healthy players to play, wins the title.

Isn't it generally a game of health anyway, with our 2010 championship an outlier?

 

[melvin dangerr]

Baseball is about to drop their social distance season, and football with social distance with less than a foot will be next, things just really suck right now.,

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Isn't it generally a game of health anyway, with our 2010 championship an outlier?

Right, but there is a big difference between guys lost to knee injuries VS half your team coming down with COVID-19 and unable to play until they are out of protocol. If the NFL does have a season, they will be contending with both "normal" injuries and COVID. Also, if a player is out with COVID, depending on how serious it hits them, who knows when they will be back. as well as what kind of condition will they be in when they do come back. Most other injuries are a bit more predictable.


The Marlins home opener is cancelled today due to 14+ players and coaches testing positive, now what?

 

[rmontro]

The Marlins home opener is cancelled today due to 14+ players and coaches testing positive, now what?

I suppose that if some NFL teams are hit too bad, they'll have to forfeit some games, or else play guys off their practice squad. Depending on just how determined they are to push this season through.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I suppose that if some NFL teams are hit too bad, they'll have to forfeit some games, or else play guys off their practice squad. Depending on just how determined they are to push this season through.

I do think the NFL is "lucky" to be able to watch how this plays out in Baseball and that is off to a rocky start, has to give them pause. Given the fact that MLB has already shortened their season to 60 games, are trying to keep games regional, as well as no fans, the NFL is going to have to think long and hard about a sport that has a LOT more contact than baseball.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...est-reaction-dave-martinez-scared/5520868002/

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The most important thing is to isolate players that get infected with the virus extremely fast. That can only be achieved by regular testing, allowing to identify them before symptoms occur.

The NFL is implementing a protocol to make it work while not paying players that expose themselves to high risk situation.

https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/n...ter-nfl-chief-medical-officer-dr-allen-sills/

I don't know anything about baseball's effort to contain the virus but after closely following the way European soccer leagues made it work I'm optimistic about the NFL chanced as well.

Don't expect fans in the stands anytime soon though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Patriots linebacker Dont'a Hightower opts out of 2020 season, reports say
According to several reports, New England Patriots linebacker Dont'a Hightower, who became a father on July 16, won't play in the 2020 season. Several other Patriots, including Brandon Bolden, Marcus Cannon and Danny Vitale, are also opting out of the season.

 

[HardRightEdge]

According to several reports, New England Patriots linebacker Dont'a Hightower, who became a father on July 16, won't play in the 2020 season. Several other Patriots, including Brandon Bolden, Marcus Cannon and Danny Vitale, are also opting out of the season.

In the process, Belichick picked up about $25 mil in cap space.

 

[thisisnate]

In the process, Belichick picked up about $25 mil in cap space.

and trevor lawrence

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The most important thing is to isolate players that get infected with the virus extremely fast. That can only be achieved by regular testing, allowing to identify them before symptoms occur.

The NFL is implementing a protocol to make it work while not paying players that expose themselves to high risk situation.

https://www.playsmartplaysafe.com/n...ter-nfl-chief-medical-officer-dr-allen-sills/

I don't know anything about baseball's effort to contain the virus but after closely following the way European soccer leagues made it work I'm optimistic about the NFL chanced as well.

Don't expect fans in the stands anytime soon though.

European soccer leagues play in countries that handled the virus intelligently...

 

[HardRightEdge]

European soccer leagues play in countries that handled the virus intelligently...

Initially, not so much. But they saw the handwriting on the wall pretty quickly. Britain and Sweden initially decided to go the build-herd-immunity route, keeping schools open and treating it like a flu. As a result, Sweden's Covid deaths per capita are still the highest in the industrialized world, several times that of the US last time a checked.

It is a matter of unintelligence, true, but a special kind--refusing to take away any lessons from the experience of others even when it is smacking you upside the head.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

European soccer leagues play in countries that handled the virus intelligently...

True, but that doesn't change the fact that players got infected as well but were isolated quickly resulting in the leagues being able to continue.

If the NFL follows the footsteps of MLB (which allowed the Marlins to play for another game despite confirmed cases on the team) there's zero chance the season will be finihed though.

 

[scotscheese]

I tend to agree. It's ridiculous that the 'greatest country in the world' is amongst the absolute worst at controlling this virus.

Scotland is doing fairly well, and not amongst the worst

Joking aside
the English premier league teams are testing players and staff twice a week as far as i am aware. the Scottish premier league restarts this weekend with no fans allowed in stadiums, feel free to start supporting Aberdeen y'all. we are maybe letting fans in around end sep/start oct, with restricted capacities, around 33%. the Australian football league has started allowing spectators back in their grounds, again restricted capacities, I'm unaware of how restricted.

so it is doable to get a season going in some way or form. fingers crossed we get an NFL season, even if it starts late

 

[red4tribe]

The NFL will at least have the advantage of seeing how things go with the MLB, NBA, and NHL. Hopefully they can learn from the good and bad decisions made by each of the leagues. The NFL might also have to face a potential rebound of the virus when the cold weather hits.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The NFL will at least have the advantage of seeing how things go with the MLB, NBA, and NHL. Hopefully they can learn from the good and bad decisions made by each of the leagues.

I don't believe the NFL can benefit from evaluating other US leagues as they worked out its COVID-19 protocol before MLB continued their regular season and the NBA and NHL (playing in one and two locations respecitely) restart their leagues under completely different circumstances.

 

[Poppa San]

Europe has much better control on this virus and there's more contact in an American football game. Like I said, it's only going to take one team having 15 positive players to end the season.

Uh-huh

Coronavirus cases rising again in Europe
Several countries across Europe have reported a recent rise in cases, sparking fears of a resurgence of the disease.
[snip]
Other countries outside Europe that also appeared to have controlled initial outbreaks, like Israel, Australia and Japan, are now seeing cases rise again.

China also jumps down ******* various provinces every few weeks.

Until then people have to prevent spread and the frontline is you, me and everyone else who can prevent the spread through distancing and hand hygiene and YES mask wearing as much as possible.

So why aren't the streets filled with bodies here?

MUMBAI:
the city found 57% of the people tested in slum pockets had antibodies to Covid-19 ...results show surprising amount of prevalence in slums...

I'm more of a person that believes that the obsession with antibodies and the ignoring of other immune response like T-cells is making this worse. A study reported in the BBC that I cannot find today shows that 40-60% of the test subjects have T-cells that respond to mitigate the effects of Covid. This 40-60% number came from blood samples taken several years ago. The older one gets the less T-cell response is available which is proved out in the infection and death ratios. If researchers can find which benign infections set up the T-cells then, we have the path to an existing natural vaccine. My bet would be one of the 15% of cold viruses that are actually coronaviruses.
Hope and truth does not drive ratings like gloom and doom does.