Wildcard Weekend Packers vs 49ers

[Title Town USA]

And would they have a better record? Probably but you just dont know.

Really? Really?...Rodgers vs Flynn? Seriously?

 

[Midnight Toker]

Hope your Cali boys like the cold weather.....supposed to be a HIGH temp of 4 degrees sunday, add in the wind chill and that will easily be 10-15 degrees below zero.

They arent all from california, so playing in cold isnt a foreign concept to them. These guys are world class professional athletes so im pretty sure a bit of cold weather isnt going to affect a team who enjoys smashmouth hard hitting football. It'll be harder to zing the ball 40 times and catch balls in that kind of weather though.

Top 1 is Rodgers----#2 isnt Cobb Seems you have no grasp on our team..You didnt know Eddie is hurt and Cobb isnt #2....Not a knock on you, but if you dont know the team, your thought process maybe wrong a little bit..

The only thing you do have right is our defense sucks..

Cobb is more talented and better than any other WR you have. Of all your WR if you could only keep one, try to tell me with a straight face that one guy isnt Cobb. He would have had a 1000+ yard year if he played all year long. So, yeah, he's your #2 not just for that but his return skills too. Hey Lacy is a professional athlete who played last game, hurt or not, when you play you are in playing condition and cold weather doesnt bode well when you have an injury to work off of.

ExpatPacker- How was Lacy's ankle in week 1? Oh wait, he "wasnt fully arrived" okay man. When he doesnt get 100 yards sunday im sure the reason will be that bum ankle and not the D he's facing. Too bad you cant magically make it go away. It may as well be his first game back. He caught 2 balls and is still trying to get in game shape. Umm Patton is a wide receiver, not a cb. Cobb did go for over 100 last time against them so if hes in shape maybe he gets involved.

 

[Title Town USA]

ExpatPacker- How was Lacy's ankle in week 1? Oh wait, he "wasnt fully arrived" okay man.

I think it's fairly obvious that a rookie making his first start will not be nearly as effective as after a full season of work.

 

[longtimefan]

Cobb is more talented and better than any other WR you have. Of all your WR if you could only keep one, try to tell me with a straight face that one guy isnt Cobb. He would have had a 1000+ yard year if he played all year long. So, yeah, he's your #2 not just for that but his return skills too. Hey Lacy is a professional athlete who played last game, hurt or not, when you play you are in playing condition and cold weather doesnt bode well when you have an injury to work off of.

Cobb has unlimited potential, can line up in backfield and take off running..But I rather have Jordy, mostly for his experience and the fact he does it every season.

Cobb is being phased out of kick returns.

Cobb didnt play for 10 weeks, and your saying he would have been a 1000 yarder??

Yet when brought up Aaron would get us more wins, your answer is we dont know..

Please dont flip flop when it suits your argument

 

[longtimefan]

How was Lacy's ankle in week 1? Oh wait, he "wasnt fully arrived" okay man. .

How did Luck play in his 1st game---1 td 3 int 59.2 rating
last game of rookie season---------- 2 tds no int 95 rating and beat Houston who was 12-4

Rookies can get better as season goes on...

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Everyone has a bias and there's nothing wrong with you having one too. But GB isnt as talented, and has a terrible D, and terrible Ds always lose in the playoffs. Anyway to address your post:

I dont think the 49ers will just walk in and blow them out. I just think they'll walk in and win. 24-3 is nice and all, but it resets back to 0-0 on sunday. One of those 3 losses is to the 49ers last year, so thats nothing new to them. 49ers win on the road and at home, so its just another road game for them. This isnt the Frozen Tundra of '96. #4 is kicking back in mississippi playing pickup games with high school kids in his wranglers.

The 49ers are the hottest team in the nfl and won 11 of the past 13 games. Youre running right into a freight train that's in full tilt and crusing to NJ son! lol. The swiss cheese D that is your defense isnt slowing that train down. The win vs AZ was a big game because AZ needed it badly, they laid it all out, and the 49ers wanted it as well. THey have one of the best defenses in the NFL and Kap torched them. He threw over 400 against GB in sept, so why wouldnt he do it again you know? 49ers are 6-2 on the road, just like at home. They dont care where they play you know? They'd have beaten NO if they made the right call, and evne the NFL disagreed with the playcall but it is what it is.

Not sure what advantage GB has when theyve lost 3 time at home already, that isnt a huge home field advantage. Sure rodgers is back but you dont know which Rodgers will show up having been out of football for a while and suddently playing one of the stop D in the nfl.

You were the hottest thing in the NFC last year too, and still got your ***** served to you in the Superbowl last year. Your team has the advantage of a better record in this game, but we all know that anything can happen in the playoffs. You 49er fans are becoming boring now.

 

[13 Times Champs]

Got it. A guy who spends most of his time in California can become acclimated to the cold presto.

 

[Midnight Toker]

I think it's fairly obvious that a rookie making his first start will not be nearly as effective as after a full season of work.

Sure that makes sense. I looked at the GB schedule. DId they even play a single team in the top 10 in rush D other than the 49ers? I saw Detroit is #6 in the nfl in rush D and he got 16 yards against them last time they played. he got 65 against atlanta and theyre 31st. He's barely faced a good team against the run except detroit and he had one good game in week 3 and a bad game a month ago. I dont know when he got injured, was it before 11/28? So now he gets to play the best rush D hes played all season, so the chances of him breaking it out now are slim but its possible. Though i will say most of his best games came when there was no pass game after Rodgers went down so with him back, they are going to actually start passing again.

Cobb has unlimited potential, can line up in backfield and take off running..But I rather have Jordy, mostly for his experience and the fact he does it every season.

Cobb is being phased out of kick returns.

Cobb didnt play for 10 weeks, and your saying he would have been a 1000 yarder??

Yet when brought up Aaron would get us more wins, your answer is we dont know..

Please dont flip flop when it suits your argument

Well you can have Jordy and I'll take Cobb in the next fantasy draft. Yes i think he'd have been a 1000 yarder in a year where your team is healthy. Easy. More yards doesnt mean more wins though.

 

[Midnight Toker]

You were the hottest thing in the NFC last year too, and still got your ***** served to you in the Superbowl last year. Your team has the advantage of a better record in this game, but we all know that anything can happen in the playoffs. You 49er fans are becoming boring now.

Well, this isnt the super bowl, and you arent the ravens. By the way, not sure you watched that game, but being 1 play away from winning the super bowl isnt the same as having your assss handed to you. What the 49ers did to the Pack on their way to the super bowl, now THAT's getting it handed to you.

Got it. A guy who spends most of his time in California can become acclimated to the cold presto.

More along the lines of world class athletes not being as hampered by cold weather as you might want to think. If that were the case, dome teams would never win anything. Maybe if every single player was from sunny california and never played in cold you might be on to something. The 49ers arent a bunch of surfer boys.

 

[Forget Favre]

Got it. A guy who spends most of his time in California can become acclimated to the cold presto.

When I lived there in SanFranFreakShow I don't think I ever wore winter gear even once like I do in Wisconsin.

 

[Forget Favre]

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[Midnight Toker]

When I lived there in SanFranFreakShow I don't think I ever wore winter gear even once like I do in Wisconsin.

They definitely have nice weather there, second to San Diego. I went there to see them play the seahawks, it was maybe 50 degrees and all they were talking about how cold it was. So the fans, if they had to play, they wouldnt do any good, but the players, they be alright.

 

[longtimefan]

More yards doesnt mean more wins though.

But you are speculating ( educated guess) that he would get 1000 yards..
We speculated (educated guess) with a healthy Rodgers, we get more wins..

Same exact principle

Just have to disagree on this

 

[13 Times Champs]

More along the lines of world class athletes not being as hampered by cold weather as you might want to think. If that were the case, dome teams would never win anything. Maybe if every single player was from sunny california and never played in cold you might be on to something. The 49ers arent a bunch of surfer boys.

I still say there is an acclimation point for athletes. They are also human. The 49er's have not played in temperatures below 34 since they played the hapless Redskins on Nov. 25. Those Super Bowls are played in warm weather for the most part so that could explain the dome team thing.

 

[AFan77]

Eddie Lacy...that same guy who rushed for 41 yards on 14 carries against the 49ers earlier this year? That guy. I remember him. He was a stud in college. Let me guess, he's gonna suddenly go off on the 49er run D right? I wonder why this will be different from last time, a time when your team had a whole off season to prepare, not 6 days. Lol. Do you have any special reason why it will be different or are you just crossing your fingers and hoping like a cowboy fan? Interesting if Lacy was that much better than Lynch or Gore why did Lynch outrush Lacy and why did Lacy only outrush geriatric Gore by 50 yards? Alfred Morris had more yards than your boy, and he got a grand 52 against the 49ers.

I guess Lacy was "fully arrived" when he had that 66 yard hall of fame game in your de facto playoff this past weekend against the DEAD LAST rush D in the NFL? Well this aint the Bears boyo. The 49ers have not had a single running back go for 100 yards this year, but your boy will be the first eh? LOL. He'll be lucky to get his season average of 73 yards, and that's me being nice.

For any power run team, who relies on the run like the 49ers you stop our top guy you can usually have an easier time. Here's the thing though; that isnt always the case. Remember in September where GB sold out on the run to stop Kap and Gore (Gore had 44 yards)? Kap just burned you for over 400 yards in the air. Cards did that last week, stopped the run and locked Gore down to like 14 yards. Then Kap threw for 310.

If you ask me, the best 1-2 punch in the nfl is probably Buffalo with Spiller and Jackson averaging 900 yards each.

Anyway if your team was so good, they wouldnt be 8-7 with 3 losses at home. GB is not very good and your two weapons in the pass game are rusty. And then of course there's always your defense which will be the reason you lose next weekend.

You are kidding yourself if you don't think Lacy is very good. Combine him, and his development, with a great passing attack and the Packers will be a headache to contain.

Also, you can throw out the Packers record in any discussions. They are not the same team without Rodgers.

However, to Packermaniac, whom you were debating with, Niners have the best road winning percentage in the NFL since Harbaugh took over. Now going to Lambeau, in playoffs, is a trip that no team wants to make. But Harbaugh will have them prepared and Kaep has played very well in cold weather games (2012 Patriots off the top of my head). As far as our schedule, the niners did have to play 6 games in the toughest division. Rams and Cards didn't make playoffs, but neither team would have so epically dropped the ball like Lions and Chi did. Not saying that the Packers didn't deserve to be in the Playoffs. You guys impressed me with your resolve in the face of adversity. But lets not act like the niners didn't play playoff "caliber" teams because the Cards are a damn good team. Luckily for us, they have some aging vets and a unresolved QB situation. The Rams on the other hand are young and loaded with draft picks. . .

 

[AFan77]

Sorry, I just skimmed the debate, didn't mean to bring up facts that have already been brought up. Can I attempt to bring this to a close?

- Stop bringing up the Packers record or their performance this year. They are a much better team with Rodgers and Cobb back. Although, not having Matthews will hurt the D.

- Lacy is a beast who has had to develop in Rodgers absence. Him with a great passing attack is going to be tough.

- The niners can win on the road. They have the highest road winning % in the NFL since Harbaugh took over. But Lambeau conditions has everyone's respect. It will be tough, but they will be ready.

- The niners have a much, much more effective offense with Crabtree. Having Davis banged up and NO wrs opposite Boldin really hampered the offense for most the year. Defenses could just crowd the LOS with no fear of any stretch plays.

- Kaepernick played well in NE last year in crappy conditions, as well as this year (although against a terrible team). I sometimes worry about his fastball in the cold, but Boldin and Crabs have outstanding hands, so perhaps it is unjustified.

Should be a great game. I would expect a one score differential with whatever team that avoids the big mistake winning. Hopefully, it's the niners.

 

[13 Times Champs]

The temperature in that 2012 game was 35 and rainy.

 

[AFan77]

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He hasn't done that outside of the first game this season. I always hated it, but I hate all "patented" celebrations. The "Discount Double Check," the "Superman," "Kaepernicking," all seem clownish to me. Why can't they be like Frank Gore and just hand the ball to the official.

 

[AFan77]

The temperature in that 2012 game was 35 and rainy.

Yes, yes it was. It was an awful sleet that made for cold conditions and a very wet ball. This game calls for what, 17 degrees and little wind?

I do worry about the "frozen tundra" and having, say Vernon Davis, get a concussion for landing on his head (for some reason it seems to happen a lot). Is that still the same? I thought they modernized it a little and added a ground heating system or something a few years back. Or was that the Bears?

 

[13 Times Champs]

Yes, yes it was. It was an awful sleet that made for cold conditions and a very wet ball. This game calls for what, 17 degrees and little wind?

I do worry about the "frozen tundra" and having, say Vernon Davis, get a concussion for landing on his head (for some reason it seems to happen a lot). Is that still the same? I thought they modernized it a little and added a ground heating system or something a few years back. Or was that the Bears?

Ah, the ground heating system. They keep the field covered in frozen conditions with the ground system cranked up.

Then they take the cover off before the game and it usually becomes a sloppy field during. It's not the best but given playing on a frozen field it's better. It does not prevent some freezing of the field in any case.

 

[AFan77]

Ah, the ground heating system. They keep the field covered in frozen conditions with the ground system cranked up.

Then they take the cover off before the game and it usually becomes a sloppy field during. It's not the best but given playing on a frozen field it's better. It does not prevent some freezing of the field in any case.

Ah. . . fun.

 

[ram29jackson]

to be frank, even if theres a chance the Pack win this game I don't see them getting any farther. They got lucky against the Bears and all they have right now is Rodgers. This isn't college ( as weak as most teams are now with parity and free agency) you still need complete and better than your peers off/def to go all the way and the Pack doesn't have that balance this time. And regardless of him playing, Rodgers is still human and could be pounded into the ground once and reinjure himself. SURE, I'll root for Packers. I want SF and Seattle out of it. But realistically I don't see it happening

 

[longtimefan]

to be frank, even if theres a chance the Pack win this game I don't see them getting any farther. They got lucky against the Bears and all they have right now is Rodgers.

Rodgers tossed a red zone int that the bears scored on..Then another int in the Bears territory..

That doesnt happen often...Rodgers only has 4 red zone ints his entire career

It should have been at least 14-0 Packers in the 1st q

Luck had nothing to do with it...They were the better team that day

 

[ram29jackson]

Rodgers tossed a red zone int that the bears scored on..Then another int in the Bears territory..

That doesnt happen often...Rodgers only has 4 red zone ints his entire career

It should have been at least 14-0 Packers in the 1st q

Luck had nothing to do with it...They were the better team that day

yes, the better of 2 weak teams.

For the sake of argument they are all pro's and good at what they do. you have to make your own luck but it was still luck. He escaped a certain sack and a blown coverage on a deep pass on a desperate last play = there is still some luck involved for everyone at every level. If its all skill my point still remains=the Pack doesn't have enough to go all the way= if I'm wrong LOL I don't care because I'm a Packers fan ! but I'm objective and don't see the Packers succeeding this time....but I see Kaepernick leaving this game in a lot of pain

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

yes, the better of 2 weak teams.

For the sake of argument they are all pro's and good at what they do. you have to make your own luck but it was still luck. He escaped a certain sack and a blown coverage on a deep pass on a desperate last play = there is still some luck involved for everyone at every level. If its all skill my point still remains=the Pack doesn't have enough to go all the way= if I'm wrong LOL I don't care because I'm a Packers fan ! but I'm objective and don't see the Packers succeeding this time....but I see Kaepernick leaving this game in a lot of pain

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