Wildcard Weekend Packers vs 49ers

[Forget Favre]

This is a cheap shot. It wasn't incidental contact. He boasted about hitting Kaepernick and he couldn't get a clean hard hit on him, so he decided to "get his" when Kaepernick was way out of bounds. It was dirty, classless and cheap.

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Your in the wrong team forum if you are looking for any sympathy for this.
Way to go Clay!

 

[El Guapo]

What the 49ers OL lacks in pass blocking, the slack is picked up by Kaepernick's ability to avoid the rush. In my opinion, the only way that the Packers can win this game is to treat it like the 2011 opener against the Saints. Go into it with an offensive-shoot-out mentality and just keep outscoring the 49ers, concentrating on INTs and forcing fumbles more than yardage - they will be the only way to stop drives because we won't likely do it on 3rd down.

 

[Midnight Toker]

Neither were the 2010 #6 seed Packers, who just eeked into the playoffs before their SB run.

Or the 2011 Giants. Before their SB victory.


One could argue that even the 2012 SB Champion Ravens didn't deserve the division over Cincy, except for the tie breaker rules.

Proof positive? No.

Yes. Because a 12-4 team who had a much better season should be rewarded by hosting a 8-7 opponent.

You are correct. I personally AM a big fan of the four divisional winners taking the top four spots. For any NFL fan, the first priority during each season is to beat your rivals and win your division. Achieving this goal should guarantee a home playoff game. I like the way the NFL has set this up.

This is just where we disagree. I think winning your division should guarantee nothing but a spot in the playoffs, not a home game.

I agree that it's been a disappointing season for most teams in the north and east. However, things can turn quickly and hot teams can cool down and "bad" teams can heat up, as we have seen in the past several playoffs. Two of the last three SB winners have come from the NFC North or East...

Will the 49ers win on Sunday? Probably. But, not certainly.

Nothing is certain and that's why you play the game. I just don't like how it's seeded.


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[Midnight Toker]

Your in the wrong team forum if you are looking for any sympathy for this.
Way to go Clay!

I'm sure if bowman did that to Rodgers you'd feel the same way


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[PFanCan]

Yes. Because a 12-4 team who had a much better season should be rewarded by hosting a 8-7 opponent.

So, you are saying that a 2nd place team should host a 1st place team?

Or should fans be allowed to arrange how teams are positioned within the NFL brackets? Should NFC teams be mixed and matched with AFC teams prior to the Super Bowl? Why not just take the top 12 teams in the NFL and have #12 face #1, #11 face #2, etc.? If you wish to ignore the North/South/East/West standings, why would you not also ignore the division between the AFC and NFC? Just pile them all together into one standing...

Also, one could then argue that the win-loss record should be weighted based upon strength of schedule. For example, the Patriots and Broncos have had three divisional opponents who have been relatively "light weight" for the past many years. Should those six games (likely victories) be given as much weight as the NFC East which historically has had several contenders (not this year though)?

Or should the NFL just consider the win-loss record in December? Is that what really defines the "Top 6" teams? I mean, who cares who won or lost back in September? The Texans started 2-0 while the Panthers started 0-2... To use your NBA analogy, everyone knows only the 4th quarter matters, right? Why not just use the last fourth of the season? Packers went 3-1.

Just messing with you. I think we just disagree on this. I like the NFL rules on playoff seeding and you don't. Fair enough.

Last comment: I guess that the reason it is the way it is.... is because the NFL owners want home games to happen across the country. To maximize regional interest and (ultimately) revenue. For example, of the eight scheduled games over the next two weeks, three are on the East coast (north, mid, and southern), three are mid-west (all north), one mountain (Denver), and one on the west coast. That's fairly good coverage of our country (read: $$$).

 

[USArmyParatrooper]

Your in the wrong team forum if you are looking for any sympathy for this.
Way to go Clay!

Actually you couldn't be more wrong. I applaud when my team makes clean hard hits. Blatantly hitting someone out of bounds doesn't take any special skill or talent. It just requires the player to be a classless dirtball who puts his own ego above the good of his own team.

And on that last note, I shall join you. We are in agreement here. Way to go Clay! Thank you for extending the 49ers drive for a touchdown, possibly costing the Packers the game. See? We don't disagree on everything.

 

[13 Times Champs]

Do the 49ers take cheap shots? Wasn't a Joe Looney guy accused of that against Kevin Williams in pre season??

Dirt Bag?

 

[AnMadraRua]

What to expect to hear if you encounter 49er Fans on Sunday...

"Can you please sit down so my wife can see"
"Can you please be quiet so Colin can concentrate"
"It's not fair that we have to play in cold weather"
"There is an unfair amount of Packer fans here"

Whiners gonna whine

 

[FrankRizzo]

Of course it was dangerous. Kaepernick's head bounced off of the ground on that play, mainly because Clay maintained his grip the whole way and drove him into the ground with all his bodyweight. Look at the 3rd frame. And no, the fact that his feet were 1 yard in bounds when he leaped way out of bounds at a full sprint to clothesline Kaepernick doesn't 'count for something.'

Low hits on open receivers are a fair and interesting debate to have, but they don't pertain to this discussion.

The hit on Kaepernick was a type of hit that happens all the time... guys land on the back of their helmets all the time.
He's not going to break a neck or ACL or leg on a hit like that.

Hits into the knees are a whole nother matter.

I approved of the hit there by Matthews.
I don't approve of any hits into defenseless receivers' knees. Not even into Davis or Crabtrees.

 

[Packers_16-0]

Actually you couldn't be more wrong. I applaud when my team makes clean hard hits. Blatantly hitting someone out of bounds doesn't take any special skill or talent. It just requires the player to be a classless dirtball who puts his own ego above the good of his own team.

And on that last note, I shall join you. We are in agreement here. Way to go Clay! Thank you for extending the 49ers drive for a touchdown, possibly costing the Packers the game. See? We don't disagree on everything.

I'm sorry for my language fellow packer fans but I'm just tired of these stupid whiners

 

[Midnight Toker]

So, you are saying that a 2nd place team should host a 1st place team?

Or should fans be allowed to arrange how teams are positioned within the NFL brackets? Should NFC teams be mixed and matched with AFC teams prior to the Super Bowl? Why not just take the top 12 teams in the NFL and have #12 face #1, #11 face #2, etc.? If you wish to ignore the North/South/East/West standings, why would you not also ignore the division between the AFC and NFC? Just pile them all together into one standing...

Also, one could then argue that the win-loss record should be weighted based upon strength of schedule. For example, the Patriots and Broncos have had three divisional opponents who have been relatively "light weight" for the past many years. Should those six games (likely victories) be given as much weight as the NFC East which historically has had several contenders (not this year though)?

Or should the NFL just consider the win-loss record in December? Is that what really defines the "Top 6" teams? I mean, who cares who won or lost back in September? The Texans started 2-0 while the Panthers started 0-2... To use your NBA analogy, everyone knows only the 4th quarter matters, right? Why not just use the last fourth of the season? Packers went 3-1.

Just messing with you. I think we just disagree on this. I like the NFL rules on playoff seeding and you don't. Fair enough.

Last comment: I guess that the reason it is the way it is.... is because the NFL owners want home games to happen across the country. To maximize regional interest and (ultimately) revenue. For example, of the eight scheduled games over the next two weeks, three are on the East coast (north, mid, and southern), three are mid-west (all north), one mountain (Denver), and one on the west coast. That's fairly good coverage of our country (read: $$$).

Oh yes indeed I'm saying exactly that. Why should a 8-7 team host a 12-4 team? Winning the division should only guarantee you a spot. because of this there's a 10-6 team knocked out. In my opinion you should reseed the playoff teams when they're decided. You protect he sanctity of the division championship by guaranteeing a spot.

I can appreciate the ancillary reasons for it but I also prefer to side with rewarding a better record with a better seed. 12-4 vs 8-7-1 tells a story of a team who has struggled to maintain a winning record and inconsistency vs a team who has been very consistent and you know what you're gonna get.

Just a differing of opinions.



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[USArmyParatrooper]

Yet but when ****en anquan boldin socked one of our player we aren't *****ing wanna know why cuz were not *****es like the 49ers ****en ***** *** fourty niners. I'm sorry for my language fellow packer fans but I'm just tired of these stupid whiners

He didn't sock him. He muffed him. A palm to the face mask to back the guy off who shoved him from behind.

You're not *****ing about it, and yet where did that animated gif come from? Packer fan made it so you guys can post it online and do what? ***** about it.

 

[USArmyParatrooper]

The hit on Kaepernick was a type of hit that happens all the time... guys land on the back of their helmets all the time.
He's not going to break a neck or ACL or leg on a hit like that.

Hits into the knees are a whole nother matter.

I approved of the hit there by Matthews.
I don't approve of any hits into defenseless receivers' knees. Not even into Davis or Crabtrees.

You you approved of Matthews flying way out of bounds to hit a guy?

 

[PackFANforlife]

Lol. It was a CLEAR punch, but you got a free down and what turned out to be a game deciding TD. I don't think there will be as much luck on your side as there has been the last few times GB and SF have met, but the NFL seems to have a little more love for the 49ers.

 

[USArmyParatrooper]

What to expect to hear if you encounter 49er Fans on Sunday...

"Can you please sit down so my wife can see"
"Can you please be quiet so Colin can concentrate"
"It's not fair that we have to play in cold weather"
"There is an unfair amount of Packer fans here"

Whiners gonna whine

You left out "Dang. Four in a row? That's gotta sting."

 

[PackFANforlife]

matthews was looking down at the ground and had already leaped... you can only do so much about momentum

 

[USArmyParatrooper]

Lol. It was a CLEAR punch, but you got a free down and what turned out to be a game deciding TD. I don't think there will be as much luck on your side as there has been the last few times GB and SF have met, but the NFL seems to have a little more love for the 49ers.

Was his hand open or closed? Go look at it again. And even IF it was a punch (it wasn't) the guy shoved him from behind.

As for being game winning-

- Harbaugh himself said he would have went for it on 4th & 2. And knowing you'll say "liar liar" he does that routinely on 4th & short in enemy territory

- And even IF he kicked a field goal, the game was won by 6 and that's only a 4 point difference.

- None if this even matters because the NFL said Staley shouldn't have been flagged.

The Packers have been losing to the 49ers because they simply lost to a better team. It isn't "luck"

 

[USArmyParatrooper]

matthews was looking down at the ground and had already leaped... you can only do so much about momentum

OK, let's look at this for a moment.

Here's where he started his leap. You don't think he knows when he leaps at a 45 degree at a full sprint from 2 feet from the line he intentionally hit the player out of bounds?

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You don't think at this point he notices half his body is out of bounds, and maybe let go of the player?

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How about now? Still an accidental goof on his part? How far out of bounds does he have to be? Maybe he should let go?

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[soho9erfan]

Was his hand open or closed? Go look at it again. And even IF it was a punch (it wasn't) the guy shoved him from behind.

Harbaugh also said "you better come with some knuckles"

which Boldin clearly didn't do, so he indirectly criticized his own player.

Either way, the NFL said that Staley shouldn't have been flagged so I don't know why Packer fans are complaining about that play.

 

[longtimefan]

Was his hand open or closed? Go look at it again. And even IF it was a punch (it wasn't) the guy shoved him from behind.

Shoving happens all the time after the whistle, you know this..

Slapping or punching doesnt happen all the time..

Tempers were high, but to slap Shields should been a flag

http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

Section 2 Personal Fouls
STRIKING, KICKING, OR KNEEING OPPONENT
Article 1
All players are prohibited from:
(c) striking, swinging, or clubbing to the head, neck, or face with the heel, back, or side of the hand,wrist,arm, elbow, or clasped hands. See 12-2-3.

Penalty: For fouls in a, b, c, and d: Loss of 15 yards.
If any of the above acts is judged by the
official(s) to be flagrant, the offender may be disqualified as long as the entire action is observed by the official(s).
HEAD SLAP
Article 2
A defensive player shall not contact an opponent above the shoulders with the palm of his hands except to ward him off on the line.

 

[FrankRizzo]

You you approved of Matthews flying way out of bounds to hit a guy?

Hit a guy up high, sure. Not in the head, not in the knee. Not with the head, not with the helmet. No problem.
Harmless. Looks a lot worse than it was.

This late hit on Rodgers by Urlacher, that's a lot more dangerous.

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[USArmyParatrooper]

Shoving happens all the time after the whistle, you know this..

Slapping or punching doesnt happen all the time..

Tempers were high, but to slap Shields should been a flag

http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

Yes, I know that shoving happens all the time, but get this.... sometimes they draw flags. The truth is subjectivity and context is considered when refs decide whether or not to flag players who get punchy after the whistle. It wasn't two tackles who got an extra shove in after the whistle. The guy had to make his way toward him long after the whistle.

The refs ALSO consider who put their hands on whom first.

 

[FrankRizzo]

SCENARIOS how the PACKERS can BEAT the NINERS:

#1- Somehow, the Packers horseshit defense actually, for once, figures out how to make Kaepernick like like just the decent yet fast QB that he is, and they pressure him into an Int, and don't allow him to run wild.
On offense, Rodgers and Lacy provide the balance to keep the star-studded Niners defense guessing, and the Packers don't commit any turnovers like last year and the year before losing to the Giants. Remember last year the Packers led the Niners in the playoff game and were about to get the ball and perhaps keep marching and score again, but J Ross muffed the punt and handed the Niners a TD and a tie game.
The year before, Kuhn and Grant and Rodgers all had fumbles, very rare.

This time, no turnovers somehow. Packers win.

#2- Packers defense still sucks, but Rodgers and Lacy are just as good even though going against a Pro Bowl-laden defense.... Packers outscore the Niners and win a thriller about 34-31.

#3- The banged up Packers (missing 1st rd picks Bulaga, Matthews, Perry) don't suffer anymore injuries in the game, but the Niners suffer some devastating ones as Aldon Smith (broken thumb), Patrick Willis (torn hamstring like Bishop), Vernon Davis (neck), Mike Crabtree (busted leg), Joe Staley (torn ACL), and Glen Dorsey (neck), and Eric Reid (also neck, like Nick Collins)... Niners are decimated by injuries and their depth is exposed. Packers rout the beaten up Niners 34-13.

 

[longtimefan]

Yes, I know that shoving happens all the time, but get this.... sometimes they draw flags. The truth is subjectivity and context is considered when refs decide whether or not to flag players who get punchy after the whistle. It wasn't two tackles who got an extra shove in after the whistle. The guy had to make his way toward him long after the whistle.

The refs ALSO consider who put their hands on whom first.

I never seen a shove get a flag...

In fact the last game a player (forgot who, but is buried on depth chart and plays only on ST) was hit 1st then he retaliated with something not as bad as he was hit and he got the flag

 

[USArmyParatrooper]

I never seen a shove get a flag...

In fact the last game a player (forgot who, but is buried on depth chart and plays only on ST) was hit 1st then he retaliated with something not as bad as he was hit and he got the flag

Are you kidding me? I've seen a ton of them. Hell, the Seahawks are famous for initiating a shove and then the guy who shoves back is the one who gets caught and flagged.