Week 1: Green Bay at Chicago in Primetime!

[GleefulGary]

and I thought I made the Yelich thread weird...

If only you knew, Amigo.

 

[Pugger]

I don't go on during the game. It can be quite negative sometimes.

I find the font on this forum kinda tiny on my phone so I usually wait to post after the games.

 

[OldSchool101]

I find the font on this forum kinda tiny on my phone so I usually wait to post after the games.

Why yes. It’s hard to scream in tiny font.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I find the font on this forum kinda tiny on my phone so I usually wait to post after the games.

You aren't the first person to notice tiny things in the Forum.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would enjoy doing this with you sometime. Explore these human feelings.

Perhaps some Caturday, excuse me, Saturday?

and I thought I made the Yelich thread weird...

I was going to ask if they wanted me to find them a room.

 

[swhitset]

I know the Bears are missing a few pieces from last year, i.e. Jordan Howard, but they won the division and 12 games last year. All year I kept telling myself “it’s just the Bears and they still suck” and yet one missed field goal going the other way and who knows.... Personally I am going to enjoy this win, and assume that yes, the Packers defense is pretty good.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He said the game plan was to make Trubisky play quarterback. I didn't really like him saying that, to be honest, no matter how true it is. It seems a bit like rubbing it in, like you said. Too much publicly disrespecting an opponent, too much chalkboard material.

People are taking this way out of context. Williams clarified what he meant and if you listen to what he was saying, it was just Williams talking good football strategy, not trash talking an opponent.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ifies-comments-on-bears-qb-mitchell-trubisky/

 

[sschind]

So I went back through the shoutbox archive to see if I could find the comment by Mondio that I mentioned earlier.

Two stood out the first being "our new Bear killer is a cannibal." which is very good

but the one I really liked was "you gotta win the ugly ones too"

well done sir.

 

[rmontro]

People are taking this way out of context. Williams clarified what he meant and if you listen to what he was saying, it was just Williams talking good football strategy, not trash talking an opponent.

I understand he was talking strategy, and that it was a good strategy (obviously). I still don't like that he said it. He doesn't have to have bad intent for the Bears to use it as motivation. It's still insulting at the heart of it. I don't fear Mitch's revenge much, but Nagy's a smart guy, he might find ways to use it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's still insulting at the heart of it.

What's insulting at the heart of what Tramon Williams said? That if Trabisky is allowed to roam around and run free, he is a more dangerous QB against the Packers? If anything, Tramon was giving the young QB a compliment, as well as saying how important it was for the Packers defense to contain him.

Comments like these are the ones that fans and media love to twist and bend, just to make them appear to be something that they aren't. Controversy sells, facts don't as much.

The Packers’ game plan was to contain Trubisky inside the pocket and make him consistently complete throws without breaking outside the pocket and making plays with his legs. The more he had to throw the football without using his legs as a weapon, the better the Packers felt about stopping him. This was all that Tramon Williams said.

 

[rmontro]

What's insulting at the heart of what Tramon Williams said?

What it sounds like to me is he's saying Trubisky isn't going to beat us with his arm. Or if he is, it's a lot less likely than getting beat by other weapons the Bears have. If you take away a team's strength, they have to rely on their weak spot to beat you. The weak spot being Trubisky.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What it sounds like to me is he's saying Trubisky isn't going to beat us with his arm. Or if he is, it's a lot less likely than getting beat by other weapons the Bears have. If you take away a team's strength, they have to rely on their weak spot to beat you. The weak spot being Trubisky.

Isn't that Football 101? How long did it take teams to figure the same thing out with Kaepernick? Contain him and make him beat you with his arm.

Calling Trubisky the weak spot is your interpreting it the way you want to. Williams was just pointing out what the Packers wanted to do to contain him and have their best chance at beating the Bears. If anything, you should be mad at Tramon for giving away the Packer strategy.

Some have compared this to Woodson saying "Cutler will get us the ball", this wasn't even close to those "great words" by a great DB.

 

[Mondio]

players have said the way to beat "X" offense when they have a mobile QB is to keep him in the pocket. They say it about Rodgers more than a few times because of the plays he used to make outside the pocket would kill you.

Mitch is a one read and run guy. They took away that read and made him make more without a place to escape to. It worked.

 

[gbgary]

ben fennell broke down the film and confirmed rodgers ignoring open guys and holding the ball too long resulting in sacks/hits/pressures. smh...he's got to get past his old habits and give the new O a chance.

 

[Mondio]

ben fennell broke down the film and confirmed rodgers ignoring open guys and holding the ball too long resulting in sacks/hits/pressures. smh...he's got to get past his old habits and give the new O a chance.

examples with video? your recent track record on Rodgers leads me to be skeptical of your interpretation of what someone else has said he saw.

 

[gbgary]

examples with video? your recent track record on Rodgers leads me to be skeptical of your interpretation of what someone else has said he saw.

lol...whatever. https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1170866019692363777

he also wrote an article in the athletic wisconsin.

 

[Mondio]

lol...whatever. https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1170866019692363777

he also wrote an article in the athletic wisconsin.

you can LOL whatever all you want, but it's fairly obvious to everyone else. I have said multiple times I couldn't see what was going on downfield, so it's hard to judge what was going on.

But in this "proof" we have a 3rd and 6 and you and this Ben guy believe he should have delievered a ball to Graham on a pass about 5 yards short of the first down. yes, he probably could have completed the pass, and no, it did not have a very good chance at success.

Now you can say he should just throw it and see what happens, that's fine if that's your position. The 2nd read? He was about to get drilled in the face had he stepped in to throw that. Recipe for a floating pass in the middle of the field. I'd love to see a timer from when the ball got in his hands until he had to move off a spot he didn't even get to and this is proof he holds the ball "too long" LOL you should be laughing Gary, that's a pretty poor example

Ben should stick with producing video, he's not a football analyst, but has positioned himself as some sort of expert from what I can tell.

 

[gbgary]

you can LOL whatever all you want, but it's fairly obvious to everyone else. I have said multiple times I couldn't see what was going on downfield, so it's hard to judge what was going on.

But in this "proof" we have a 3rd and 6 and you and this Ben guy believe he should have delievered a ball to Graham on a pass about 5 yards short of the first down. yes, he probably could have completed the pass, and no, it did not have a very good chance at success.

Now you can say he should just throw it and see what happens, that's fine if that's your position. The 2nd read? He was about to get drilled in the face had he stepped in to throw that. Recipe for a floating pass in the middle of the field. I'd love to see a timer from when the ball got in his hands until he had to move off a spot he didn't even get to and this is proof he holds the ball "too long" LOL you should be laughing Gary, that's a pretty poor example

Ben should stick with producing video, he's not a football analyst, but has positioned himself as some sort of expert from what I can tell.

ooookaaay.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

you can LOL whatever all you want, but it's fairly obvious to everyone else. I have said multiple times I couldn't see what was going on downfield, so it's hard to judge what was going on.

But in this "proof" we have a 3rd and 6 and you and this Ben guy believe he should have delievered a ball to Graham on a pass about 5 yards short of the first down. yes, he probably could have completed the pass, and no, it did not have a very good chance at success.

Now you can say he should just throw it and see what happens, that's fine if that's your position. The 2nd read? He was about to get drilled in the face had he stepped in to throw that. Recipe for a floating pass in the middle of the field. I'd love to see a timer from when the ball got in his hands until he had to move off a spot he didn't even get to and this is proof he holds the ball "too long" LOL you should be laughing Gary, that's a pretty poor example

Ben should stick with producing video, he's not a football analyst, but has positioned himself as some sort of expert from what I can tell.

You took the words right out of my mouth. People can break film down all they want and in slow motion and from up above. Could probably nitpick every play to death as to how "this player or that player didn't do this or that." Well first of all, the players aren't seeing this in slow motion or from above. Second, as Modio pointed out, Ben doesn't even seem to know what he is talking about here. AR probably doesn't pick up the first down with a toss to Graham, so why risk a tipped ball and an easy pick 6? MVS was barely coming into Rodgers line of site, as the pocket collapsed into #12's face, I don't even think he could have gotten a pass off and if he had tried, probably would have been tipped at the LOS and maybe not even a first down if ALL went well. I'm disappointed in Ben, he didn't even see the 3rd Packer WR that was WIDE open as Rodgers was hitting the ground. Chalk that play up to a great pass rush and an OL that collapsed.

I'm just a fan, but my one big criticism of the Packers offense over the years is WR's running routes short of the first down chains on 3rd down. If you are going to run a route near the chains, cross the damn first down line before the ball gets there. I understand the principle of YAC, but often times, the guys catching the ball that close to the LOS are pretty well covered and there are no YAC. I have no problem with RB screens in that situation, but you better have a shifty back and a good OL pulling out ahead of him. In that play, Graham was out there as the only Packer, one yard off the LOS and pretty well covered by the Bears.

 

[Mondio]

ooookaaay.

so you think the 1 yard pass to Jimmy Graham was the pass to make? You never offer very much in the way of thought, just some reiteration of something you can construe as Rodgers being selfish. You honestly think that was a good illustration of Rodgers passing everything up and holding the ball too long to go go for the "big" play. How long from snap to pressure? Does your video production specialist offer that in his football breakdowns?

You know what went wrong on that play? Pretty much every position along the offensive line failed and even if Linsley doesn't get tossed aside Rodgers likely is able to hit his man.

He might have a point if it was 3rd and 2-3 and he passed it up to dance around and look for a 30 yard play or something but 3rd and 6, with defenders in position to defend the sticks on a slow TE and a 1 yard pass? and pressure from every position along the defensive front other than the stoning of a blitzing safety, oooookaaaay is probably the appropriate response I guess.

 

[PackAttack12]

Hell I’d love to chime in. But @Mondio is handling it beautifully. What more could I possibly add?

 

[El Guapo]

Moral support?

 

[HardRightEdge]

We seemed to behave. Except for the part about rushing 3 guys on 3rd n 10. Even I partook in reminiscing in the Capers comparison cheap shots!
I don’t ever want to see a 3 man rush again as long as I live.

To say I don't care for the 3-man rush is putting it mildly. It's usually accompanied by a soft zone begging for a seam throw. They did run it once where the guys actually got pressure and Trubisky threw to the sidelines for a short gain, so there's that.

 

[gbgary]

You took the words right out of my mouth. People can break film down all they want and in slow motion and from up above. Could probably nitpick every play to death as to how "this player or that player didn't do this or that." Well first of all, the players aren't seeing this in slow motion or from above. Second, as Modio pointed out, Ben doesn't even seem to know what he is talking about here. AR probably doesn't pick up the first down with a toss to Graham, so why risk a tipped ball and an easy pick 6? MVS was barely coming into Rodgers line of site, as the pocket collapsed into #12's face, I don't even think he could have gotten a pass off and if he had tried, probably would have been tipped at the LOS and maybe not even a first down if ALL went well. I'm disappointed in Ben, he didn't even see the 3rd Packer WR that was WIDE open as Rodgers was hitting the ground. Chalk that play up to a great pass rush and an OL that collapsed.

I'm just a fan, but my one big criticism of the Packers offense over the years is WR's running routes short of the first down chains on 3rd down. If you are going to run a route near the chains, cross the damn first down line before the ball gets there. I understand the principle of YAC, but often times, the guys catching the ball that close to the LOS are pretty well covered and there are no YAC. I have no problem with RB screens in that situation, but you better have a shifty back and a good OL pulling out ahead of him. In that play, Graham was out there as the only Packer, one yard off the LOS and pretty well covered by the Bears.

this was one twitter post from ben. and your ignorance of the great ben fennell's breakdowns is no big deal. i only stumbled over him a while back myself. he only says it like it is. he's a packers fan too though. Packercentric outlets everywhere use his material, call on his expertise. he's a very good follow on twitter. he's regularly heard on 105.7 the fan in milwaukee, cheesehead tv, etc. etc. etc. (check his resume). he's an informed source. if you choose to discount him ok. who do you trust who's doing intense film breakdown of the Packers? i'll listen to them too.

 

[Mondio]

this was one twitter post from ben. and your ignorance of the great ben fennell's breakdowns is no big deal. i only stumbled over him a while back myself. he only says it like it is. he's a packers fan too though. Packercentric outlets everywhere use his material, call on his expertise. he's a very good follow on twitter. he's regularly heard on 105.7 the fan in milwaukee, cheesehead tv, etc. etc. etc. (check his resume). he's an informed source. if you choose to discount him ok. who do you trust who's doing intense film breakdown of the Packers? i'll listen to them too.

He's positioned himself as an "expert", they do it all the time. Those experts on the news? Most of them pay for their spot or have a paid correspondent, they don't deliver news, they deliver commercials.

His expertise is manipulating video, it is, look it up. It's even what he went to school for. Why do I discount him, well on this particular video, it's crap. Give us your breakdown. Ben's is wrong. He found a video of a slow TE open for a 1 yard gain that was defensed fairly well against the first down by a very good and very fast Chicago defense. You see it differently, tell us why? It's Ben's example of holding the ball too long and the rest of us see a offensive line beaten at every position and a rush on rodgers before he can even set his feet. My take is Graham was simply used to move a linebacker over and clear out the middle so Rodgers could get the ball to the receiver in the middle who was running to the sticks and had a chance at a first down.

But the rush from everywhere was on him and Linsely got beaten like a rented mule and rodgers had nowhere to step and throw the ball. For all you and this self proclaimed expert know, Rodgers ran the correct play, but 5 guys along the line failed to do their part. But on a play with zero time and no real legitimate targets for the first down given the circumstances you 2 cling to it as proof Rodgers isn't with the program LOL

Too funny.