Value of that 4th round HaHa pick

[Deleted member 6794]

Yeah like a 1 year prove it deal if he is open to that

I highly doubt Thomas is interested in a deal like that as it seems he's looking for another lucrative multi year contract. It's possible he might not receive such an offer though.

 

[Patriotplayer90]

I understand that there's a point when distractions in the locker room become too much and negatively affect the performance on the field. I hoped the Packers leadership would be strong enough to cope with minor issues like Randall and Clinton-Dix presented. Obviously I was wrong about it.



The Patriots made it to the Super Bowl with freaking Aaron Hernandez on their team. I'm quite sure the Packers could have put a successful team on the field even with Randall and Clinton-Dix being in the locker room.

I'm afraid this is all our new GM getting rid of guys who aren't his. He better be damn sure that his role can be filled. It seems like it is McCarthy's time as well. Players seem more likely to roll their eyes than to buy into what he's saying and doing .

 

[shockerx]

take Dix and Clay dollars...and go for L. Collins. then Edge and OL in draft.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

take Dix and Clay dollars...and go for L. Collins. then Edge and OL in draft.

There's no reason to believe the Giants would be interested in letting Collins walk away in free agency.

 

[GleefulGary]

The talent has to be worth the distraction.

In Randall’s case, I would argue it was worth it. Not so with HaHa.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm ok with both guys being gone actually. Randall was a headcase, and probably manageable, but a headache no doubt. I think they jettisoned him thinking it would calm the secondary. Now looking back, i think a good part of that friction was from Dix as well, just a more measured type friction and not the hot head randall type. But a guy that has publicly made it known he's not a part of the team, you can bet his teammates know too. I see young guys that are hungry and want to play. Playing with emotion and energy, and I'd rather those guys start playing for each other than having an energy suck in Dix in the locker room. Looking back, I think I'd rather have kept Randall and let Dix go. Maybe the same result, or maybe his hot head would have been more manageable playing in a more active defense with young guys who want to play for each other. instead of a "leader" more concerned about his next contract and deflecting blame to other players and coaches.

I think this is a very good point and possibly and hopefully will make me rethink my thoughts on Whitt as we move forward. The secondary is a unit that has to rely a lot on each other and because of that really need to have that team unity. If you have guys like Randall and HHCD that seemed to be more self centered, that can be disastrous. Wouldn't shock me if a veteran guy like Tramon Williams came in this year and figured out quickly that Dix wasn't a guy that was "fun" to have playing behind him on the field.

I doubt we will ever hear the full story on Dix, but I don't think it was just the ability to get a 4th round pick now for him, that was the sole reason why the Packers chose to get ride of their best S of a thin group in the middle of a season that could end with a playoff run.

 

[swhitset]

I understand that there's a point when distractions in the locker room become too much and negatively affect the performance on the field. I hoped the Packers leadership would be strong enough to cope with minor issues like Randall and Clinton-Dix presented. Obviously I was wrong about it.



The Patriots made it to the Super Bowl with freaking Aaron Hernandez on their team. I'm quite sure the Packers could have put a successful team on the field even with Randall and Clinton-Dix being in the locker room.

There is no question that you are sure of what you think. I don’t happen to agree, but I also understand your point. One of the reasons I like being a Packer fan is that the Packers rarely put up with the nonsense other teams seem to. I want to be able to root for the actual people that make up a team... not just a “Team”.

 

[gbgary]

The Patriots made it to the Super Bowl with freaking Aaron Hernandez on their team.

i've never heard anything about him being a bad teammate, cancer in the locker room or attitude problem. he only played 3 seasons for NE and the trouble started for him the summer after his last year with them (2013). they liked him so much he got an extension just before his last season with them.

 

[gbgary]

There's no reason to believe the Giants would be interested in letting Collins walk away in free agency.

they made him available in the last trade window but no one met their price. he holds the cards now and would be silly to not go to free agency.

 

[GBkrzygrl]

HHCD always reminds me of the kid at the playground who wanted to play, but didn't want to get his pants dirty. Maybe part of it was mindset the last year, not wanting to get hurt before a major contract. Unlike some safeties that seem to always be around the ball.

I almost want to see his first game for the Redskins to see if he plays all out or he sits back like he did at Green Bay, thinking he has already earned his 2nd contract.

I suspect he will play better just so he can say, See, I am the player I thought I was and the Packers were dumb to let him go. Doughtery has an interesting article about HaHa. 'Source' from the team said that HH didn't work as hard as he did early on because he didn't think he had to. Don't know if that is true or not, but I haven't liked his attitude for a while now.

 

[Snoops]

Bruce Irvin going to waivers we should really get him....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Doughtery has an interesting article about HaHa. 'Source' from the team said that HH didn't work as hard as he did early on because he didn't think he had to. Don't know if that is true or not, but I haven't liked his attitude for a while now.

Makes a lot of sense to me, as well as explains his hot and cold play on the field and why the Packers were ready to part ways with him for a 4th Round pick, despite not having much depth or experience at the position.

Now I am pulling for both the Saints and the Redskins to lose the rest of their games to increase the values of the draft picks we have from both teams.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

There is no question that you are sure of what you think. I don’t happen to agree, but I also understand your point. One of the reasons I like being a Packer fan is that the Packers rarely put up with the nonsense other teams seem to.

Unfortunately that approach is most likely one of the reasons they haven't won another Super Bowl since 2010 as well though.

i've never heard anything about him being a bad teammate, cancer in the locker room or attitude problem. he only played 3 seasons for NE and the trouble started for him the summer after his last year with them (2013). they liked him so much he got an extension just before his last season with them.

You might want to read this story about the issues Hernandez caused in the locker room:

https://apps.bostonglobe.com/spotlight/gladiator/foxborough/

they made him available in the last trade window but no one met their price. he holds the cards now and would be silly to not go to free agency.

Interesting, I didn't realize the Giants actually thought about trading Collins at the deadline.

 

[Half Empty]

Bruce Irvin going to waivers we should really get him....

Per the thread on him, certainly not unless he clears those waivers.

 

[Snoops]

Anyone else out hunting right now!?

 

[thequick12]

The talent has to be worth the distraction.

In Randall’s case, I would argue it was worth it. Not so with HaHa.

Yeah Randall is a better free safety than haha it's unfortunate the Packers never let him battle haha for that spot.

 

[GleefulGary]

Yeah Randall is a better free safety than haha it's unfortunate the Packers never let him battle haha for that spot.

Funny enough, he’s a healthy scratch today. Character issues are real, even if they don’t have a PFF grade.

 

[Cornelius Weems]

Bruce Irvin going to waivers we should really get him....

Agreed

 

[gonzozab]

Matt Ryan 350 yards and 4 touchodown passes, including one where Julio Jones practically dragged HHCD 10 yards before breaking away on his way to the end zone in a 38-14 Redskins loss to Atlanta. Looks like that trade is really paying dividends for them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Matt Ryan 350 yards and 4 touchodown passes, including one where Julio Jones practically dragged HHCD 10 yards before breaking away on his way to the end zone in a 38-14 Redskins loss to Atlanta. Looks like that trade is really paying dividends for them.

Surprised HHCD was even able to latch on and even more impressed the he lasted 10 yards before missing the tackle. Maybe he has learned how not to whiff a tackle in Washington?

 

[Packer Fan in SD]

To be honest Haha was hanging onto either the arm or sleeve. Poor attempt to tackle for sure.

 

[sschind]

It's obvious the front office thought the distractions in the locker room were bad enough to get rid of Clinton-Dix and Randall.

There are several other successful teams in the league holding on to players being locker room cancers though without the performance on the field being negatively impacted though.

In my opinion the Packers could be more lenient in such cases.

A guy can be a total ****** in the locker room and the team is supposed be forgiving but when another player wants to see his child born they are supposed to be total ****s about it and say tough **** you're suiting up. You certainly are a tough guy to figure out sometimes WIMM.

 

[swhitset]

Unfortunately that approach is most likely one of the reasons they haven't won another Super Bowl since 2010 as well though.

I don’t believe that to be true... but even if it is... to me ... so be it. Not really any point in rooting for something I don’t respect.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

A guy can be a total ****** in the locker room and the team is supposed be forgiving but when another player wants to see his child born they are supposed to be total ***** about it and say tough **** you're suiting up. You certainly are a tough guy to figure out sometimes WIMM.

Like it or not, the Packers are about winning football games, at least they should be, and not being nice guys. Trading Clinton-Dix, even with him being a possible distraction in the locker room, was a bad idea as the team didn't have an adequate replacement for him on the roster. Williams completely misplaying the touchdown pass to Gordon should work as evidence for it.

I explained my stance on Scott in a thread since being closed by the mods therefore I refrain on commenting on it any further.

 

[Mondio]

If williams comes back and plays the same play just as badly this week for another TD, then he's on pace with HaHa. Because HaHa did it, I watched him in back to back weeks give up the same exact TD. one by not being where he was supposed to be, the other by not even reacting to it when he was. anyway, he got dragged 10 yards for a TD again this week. I don't miss him.