Value of that 4th round HaHa pick

[Deleted member 6794]

The facts are what they are.

He may end up becoming a great player, but, as of now, there's no indication of that.

Feel free to 'dig up' all the positive contributions he has made as a Packer thus far.

There isn't anyone suggesting Moore has made an impact with the Packers so far but that it might be smart to wait at least another offseason before considering him a bust.

It takes some players more time to perform at a decent level in the NFL.

 

[Mondio]

as a 4th rounder, in my eyes he just couldn't make it if that's how it ends up. outside of 1st rounders, and even that it's usually top 10 I consider busts.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

There isn't anyone suggesting Moore has made an impact with the Packers so far but that it might be smart to wait at least another offseason before considering him a bust.

It takes some players more time to perform at a decent level in the NFL.

Again, I never labeled him a bust. That has been manufactured out of whole cloth.

 

[swhitset]

That's solely a speculation on your part.

Well... since you are focusing on one play.... why don’t you go back and find at least one where Ha Ha screwed up.... We have all seen quite a few.

 

[El Guapo]

Captain, I said virtually none. I fully recognize that play by Williams but as others stated, I was seeing Dix take bad angles before that. We weren't getting perfect games at that position before the trade and we aren't getting it after, but I'm also not seeing the big plays as much. I don't see as much of a dropoff as you profess.

 

[sschind]

Again, I never labeled him a bust. That has been manufactured out of whole cloth.

You haven't labeled him a bust but you are trying awfully hard to not not label him a bust.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

You haven't labeled him a bust but you are trying awfully hard to not not label him a bust.

Baloney.

The numbers are what they are. I have no control over that.

I want this guy to succeed as much as anyone, but so far, he's the least successful of the three rookies. That's just a fact, no use in pretending it isn't.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Well... since you are focusing on one play.... why don’t you go back and find at least one where Ha Ha screwed up.... We have all seen quite a few.

There's no doubt Clinton-Dix screwed up on too many plays as well. Just take a look at the one I posted the link to above.

Captain, I said virtually none. I fully recognize that play by Williams but as others stated, I was seeing Dix take bad angles before that. We weren't getting perfect games at that position before the trade and we aren't getting it after, but I'm also not seeing the big plays as much. I don't see as much of a dropoff as you profess.

Once again, I would advocate to analyse the situation after the season as two games, especially one against a terrible offense, is too small of a sample size. Williams badly misplaying the ball on Gordon's touchdown has me worried though.

I want this guy to succeed as much as anyone, but so far, he's the least successful of the three rookies. That's just a fact, no use in pretending it isn't.

There isn't a single poster arguing that Moore gas had more success than MVS or EQ so far this season. But for the upteenth time it would be smart to wait at least another offseason before fairly evaluating Moore.

 

[thequick12]

Once again, I understand fans criticizing Clinton-Dix for missing too many tackles but he actually excelled in coverage. Take a look at the play once again, it was Josh Jackson covering Golloday.

https://www.detroitlions.com/video/...n-dix-to-turf-on-insane-60-yard-catch-and-run

The mistake by Williams that was the bigger problem on the Gordon td was missing the tackle in my opinion. Had he made the tackle they still could of held the Patriots to a field goal if not sacked Brady out of range or caused a turnover. NFL receivers are to big and athletic to stop Everytime they're gonna make plays but by making the tackle you can at least stop a 30 yard pass from turning into a 55 yard touchdown

 

[Curly Calhoun]

There isn't a single poster arguing that Moore gas had more success than MVS or EQ so far this season. But for the upteenth time it would be smart to wait at least another offseason before fairly evaluating Moore.

For the upteenth time, it's not unfair to evaluate what he has done thus far, for him or any other player. I'm relatively certain the coaching staff and the personnel department has done just that.

I hope he figures it out. So far, he hasn't. And, whether or not you want to hear it, there isn't anything wrong in admitting that - It's just an honest assessment. The same sort of assessment that is done on every player in the NFL, everyday.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The mistake by Williams that was the bigger problem on the Gordon td was missing the tackle in my opinion. Had he made the tackle they still could of held the Patriots to a field goal if not sacked Brady out of range or caused a turnover. NFL receivers are to big and athletic to stop Everytime they're gonna make plays but by making the tackle you can at least stop a 30 yard pass from turning into a 55 yard touchdown

Williams misplayed the ball, he wasn't in a position to tackle Gordon on the play.

For the upteenth time, it's not unfair to evaluate what he has done thus far, for him or any other player. I'm relatively certain the coaching staff and the personnel department has done just that.

I hope he figures it out. So far, he hasn't. And, whether or not you want to hear it, there isn't anything wrong in admitting that - It's just an honest assessment. The same sort of assessment that is done on every player in the NFL, everyday.

True, but you're making the mistake that Moore can't improve going forward though.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

True, but you're making the mistake that Moore can't improve going forward though.

Incorrect. You're making the mistake that I ever said any such thing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Incorrect. You're making the mistake that I ever said any such thing.

It's true that you have avoided calling Moore a bust. But reading between the lines of your posts most of them indicate that's exactly what you think will happen though.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

It's true that you have avoided calling Moore a bust. But reading between the lines of your posts most of them indicate that's exactly what you think will happen though.

Now you're just making stuff up.

When people start telling you what they imagine you really think, then you know they've run out of legitimate arguments. Your strawman is bogus.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Now you're just making stuff up.

When people start telling you what they imagine you really think, then you know they've run out of legitimate arguments. Your strawman is bogus.

Whatever. What's your point of repeatedly bringing up that Moore has been the worst of the rookie receivers though??? Nobody is arguing against it.

Other posters believe that he has a chance to improve and contribute going forward though. So what's your take??? Do you think he's already maxxed out his potential and therefore will end up being a bust???

 

[swhitset]

It's true that you have avoided calling Moore a bust. But reading between the lines of your posts most of them indicate that's exactly what you think will happen though.

lol... for the record.... that’s what I think will happen with Moore too. You are correct that it is too early to know.

 

[PikeBadger]

It would seem at this point that it may be probable he will never become even a role player in Green Bay. Injuries do happen often in this league though and it’s possible he steps into a sudden void and becomes a player like Allison did. Stuff happens and sometimes young guys step up and make the most of their opportunity.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Whatever. What's your point of repeatedly bringing up that Moore has been the worst of the rookie receivers though??? Nobody is arguing against it.

Other posters believe that he has a chance to improve and contribute going forward though. So what's your take??? Do you think he's already maxxed out his potential and therefore will end up being a bust???

My original post was in reply to another poster's evaluation of 4th-round draft picks.

At no point did I argue that Moore was a bust. I did say, that unless something changes, he could end up being one. I stand by that.

 

[Dblbogey]

I'd expect him to be ahead of the rookie 5th and 6th round picks.

He isn't.

I'd be thrilled if just one of the 3 Rookie WR turns into a player. I think MVS will, the other two not so much. Not bad considering they were all late round picks.

 

[Dblbogey]

Sitton was a cancer? Any articles on that?

There were plenty of stories about Sitton being a cancer.

 

[Dblbogey]

Again, I never labeled him a bust. That has been manufactured out of whole cloth.

"Fake news!"

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I'd be thrilled if just one of the 3 Rookie WR turns into a player. I think MVS will, the other two not so much. Not bad considering they were all late round picks.

MVS is clearly ahead of the other two, and I'm looking forward to see how he develops. He has the size, the speed, but most importantly, he seems to have earned the quarterback's trust.

I'm still hopeful Moore will blossom, but so far, he hasn't shown much to be hopeful about.