Value of that 4th round HaHa pick

[easyk83]

I get it, you want to justify the Packers trading Clinton-Dix by not admitting that he performed at a decent level this season. I'm sorry but not giving him any credit for the interception against Washington is ridiculous though.

Are we talking about his pick against Washington when he jammed an out route and then basically ran the out route to the football or are we talking about the pick against Buffalo when it came straight off a collision?

 

[PackAttack12]

Once again, I would rather have Randall and Clinton-Dix starting at safety instead of better locker room chemistry though.

It's surprising how little you value cohesiveness in the locker room.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Are we talking about his pick against Washington when he jammed an out route and then basically ran the out route to the football or are we talking about the pick against Buffalo when it came straight off a collision?

We're talking about the one against Washington.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

It's surprising how little you value cohesiveness in the locker room.

On the other hand I believe most of you are putting way too much stock into it.

 

[GleefulGary]

I would have been fine with the Packers letting Clinton-Dix walk away in free agency next season and replace him with another player. But the team will miss him for the rest of this year in m opinion.

BTW the overall performance of the safeties was subpar to begin with therefore keep things rolling shouldn't be the goal for the rest of this season.

With him or without him, we’re not a Super Bowl team this year.

 

[GleefulGary]

On the other hand I believe most of you are putting way too much stock into it.

You’d appreciate it more if there was a PFF grade for that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

With him or without him, we’re not a Super Bowl team this year.

Unfortunately you're most likely right about that.

 

[PackAttack12]

With him or without him, we’re not a Super Bowl team this year.

This is precisely the point that's getting lost in all of this.

 

[easyk83]

We're talking about the one against Washington.

Right because the description from Quick looked more like the pick against Buffalo. Against Washington it was a great read and play and the jam was only the initial part of Dix' play. Jam the receiver at the top of the route and then run to the ball.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right because the description from Quick looked more like the pick against Buffalo. Against Washington it was a great read, I think Dix lacks range and that his gambles are what creates his big plays at the expense of consistency. When he gambles and misses bad things happen in this defense and its likely that Coaches wanted someone who was atleast assignment sure.

Williams will most likely present an upgrade in the mental aspect of the game but unfortunately I'm not convinced he will be able to transform that to success on the field.

 

[gbgary]

Value of that 4th round HaHa pick

possible add-on in a move to get into the top 10 next draft.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Once again, I would rather have Randall and Clinton-Dix starting at safety instead of better locker room chemistry though.

I understand your sentiment, as a fan, since you aren't exposed to it daily and in person. However, locker room cancer is real and can be a very big detractor, that doesn't show up in stats or to the casual fan. Now I am not saying I know how bad it was or wasn't, but given what you are saying is probably true, Packers are better with him (on the field) than without, I think the cancer was bad enough that the FO was willing to see a more talented player gone, than let that player possibly negatively influence the younger guys for the remainder of the season.

 

[PackAttack12]

I understand your sentiment, as a fan, since you aren't exposed to it daily and in person. However, locker room cancer is real and can be a very big detractor, that doesn't show up in stats or to the casual fan. Now I am not saying I know how bad it was or wasn't, but given what you are saying is probably true, Packers are better with him (on the field) than without, I think the cancer was bad enough that the FO was willing to see a more talented player gone, than let that player possibly negatively influence the younger guys for the remainder of the season.

Oh stop it. That never happens. It's perfectly fine if it's mass chaos in the locker room. Has no effect whatsoever on the games.

 

[AKCheese]

Good rebuilding move.. which is what we’re doing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Now I am not saying I know how bad it was or wasn't, but given what you are saying is probably true, Packers are better with him (on the field) than without, I think the cancer was bad enough that the FO was willing to see a more talented player gone, than let that player possibly negatively influence the younger guys for the remainder of the season.

It's obvious the front office thought the distractions in the locker room were bad enough to get rid of Clinton-Dix and Randall.

There are several other successful teams in the league holding on to players being locker room cancers though without the performance on the field being negatively impacted though.

In my opinion the Packers could be more lenient in such cases.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's obvious the front office thought the distractions in the locker room were bad enough to get rid of Clinton-Dix and Randall.

There are several other successful teams in the league holding on to players being locker room cancers though without the performance on the field being negatively impacted though.

In my opinion the Packers could be more lenient in such cases.

You are correct, but guessing other teams with "cancerous players" don't always fare so well either. Also, those teams that happen to be successful, could they have been more successful had they cut the cancer? As someone who has been on many teams in my life, whether sports or otherwise, if you have too much negativity and not enough team players, it does effect everyone eventually.

Plug your ears Buggy.....I am sure towards the end of his time in Green Bay, Favre was considered a negative in the locker room, but what he did on the field warranted keeping him around for awhile. So its a delicate balance of does the good out weight the bad? Same type of decision they had to make about Montgomery, Randall and Josh Sitton. All that said, there are obviously more factors that weigh into the final decision of getting rid of a players like these, but negative attitudes I am sure are not just completely overlooked. Again, we only hear and see some of it, guessing the coaches and other players know when enough is enough.

 

[Dblbogey]

The knock on him is that ever since his 16 probowl his work ethic has suffered and he's not putting in the hours. According to team sources he's basically gambling and guessing back there.

.. We would likely get a 4th or 5th rounder for him just by letting him walk after the season.

Tired of this incorrect argument. If Gute ISN'T active in free agency, we might have gotten a 5 or 6 for HaHa at best. I suspect and hope Gute will be active, in which case we get nothing for HaHa. Plus, we get the 4th round pick in 2019, not a 5th or worse in 2020 had we kept him.

 

[Dblbogey]

It's obvious the front office thought the distractions in the locker room were bad enough to get rid of Clinton-Dix and Randall.

There are several other successful teams in the league holding on to players being locker room cancers though without the performance on the field being negatively impacted though.

In my opinion the Packers could be more lenient in such cases.

The Cowboys pick up lousy locker room types every year. Their team is a mess every year. Locker rooms/chemistry are important.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You are correct, but guessing other teams with "cancerous players" don't always fare so well either. Also, those teams that happen to be successful, could they have been more successful had they cut the cancer? As someone who has been on many teams in my life, whether sports or otherwise, if you have too much negativity and not enough team players, it does effect everyone eventually.

Plug your ears Buggy.....I am sure towards the end of his time in Green Bay, Favre was considered a negative in the locker room, but what he did on the field warranted keeping him around for awhile. So its a delicate balance of does the good out weight the bad? Same type of decision they had to make about Montgomery, Randall and Josh Sitton. All that said, there are obviously more factors that weigh into the final decision of getting rid of a players like these, but negative attitudes I am sure are not just completely overlooked. Again, we only hear and see some of it, guessing the coaches and other players know when enough is enough.

I understand that there's a point when distractions in the locker room become too much and negatively affect the performance on the field. I hoped the Packers leadership would be strong enough to cope with minor issues like Randall and Clinton-Dix presented. Obviously I was wrong about it.

The Cowboys pick up lousy locker room types every year. Their team is a mess every year. Locker rooms/chemistry are important.

The Patriots made it to the Super Bowl with freaking Aaron Hernandez on their team. I'm quite sure the Packers could have put a successful team on the field even with Randall and Clinton-Dix being in the locker room.

 

[Mondio]

I'm ok with both guys being gone actually. Randall was a headcase, and probably manageable, but a headache no doubt. I think they jettisoned him thinking it would calm the secondary. Now looking back, i think a good part of that friction was from Dix as well, just a more measured type friction and not the hot head randall type. But a guy that has publicly made it known he's not a part of the team, you can bet his teammates know too. I see young guys that are hungry and want to play. Playing with emotion and energy, and I'd rather those guys start playing for each other than having an energy suck in Dix in the locker room. Looking back, I think I'd rather have kept Randall and let Dix go. Maybe the same result, or maybe his hot head would have been more manageable playing in a more active defense with young guys who want to play for each other. instead of a "leader" more concerned about his next contract and deflecting blame to other players and coaches.

 

[Snoops]

We should sign earl Thomas depending how healthy he is next year

 

[Snoops]

Dee Ford Barr clowney could all be available sure clowney will get resigned

 

[Mondio]

We should sign earl Thomas depending how healthy he is next year

He wanted to get paid, and I'd hope we wouldn't pay him much. 2 broken legs in the past 3 seasons, aging, etc. He's not going to get more durable. I would be very wary of investing much in him, and I don't think he's going to play for anything less than he thinks he deserves.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He wanted to get paid, and I'd hope we wouldn't pay him much. 2 broken legs in the past 3 seasons, aging, etc. He's not going to get more durable. I would be very wary of investing much in him, and I don't think he's going to play for anything less than he thinks he deserves.

Thomas was definitely still an elite safety this season. With him being 30 years old at the start of next season and coming off two major injuries I agree the Packers should be reluctant to offer him a huge anount of money though.

 

[Snoops]

Yeah like a 1 year prove it deal if he is open to that