Training camp 2017 notes and observations.

[Pokerbrat2000]

My favorite of the three hail marys. Certainly had the highest degree of difficulty.

Collinsworth was right when he said that might be one of the great throws ever made.

Great catch and ability to hang on to it by Janis, but yes.....Collinsworth was spot on, AR was going to his left, heavily rushed, falling down as he was being tackled and threw that one on a dime....60 yards.....GOAT!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not sure if it was noted elsewhere by someone, but CB Herb Waters was waived with injury designation.

 

[Dantés]

Not sure if it was noted elsewhere by someone, but CB Herb Waters was waived with injury designation.

When you're already trying to switch positions at the pro level, missing seasons just isn't really viable. I feel bad for the guy.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I suspect Janis makes it as an ST specialist, team probably keeps atleast 6 WRs and possibly even 7. Nelson Cobb Adams Janis and atleast 2 more spots. Clark might cause the team to keep 7 if he's too talented to stash on the Practice Squad and too raw to be one of 6 receivers.

Janis will most likely make the team based on his performance on special teams but I'm not convinced that will have any influence on the receivers the Packers keep on the 53.

Perhaps you haven't been following the live training camp updates by the JSOnline or GB Press Gazette. Janis is having a very good camp as a WR. Multiple eyes of the reporters -- some of whom have not been impressed with him in the past have said so. More importantly, the HC is seeing an improved Janis at WR.

Please, could we stop assuming Janis has finally grasped the playbook because of a few catches made in camp???

Keep hearing about Josh Jones physical demeanor and how he is picking up the playbook well. Our safties are a strength good this season.

Jones will most be part of the inside linebacker rotation this season though.

 

[Jerellh528]

I wouldn't mind if they let one of the 3 tes go(rich rod) to make room for an extra receiver.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I wouldn't mind if they let one of the 3 tes go(rich rod) to make room for an extra receiver.

I fully expect the Packers to keep three tight ends on the active roster.

 

[Jerellh528]

I fully expect the Packers to keep three tight ends on the active roster.

They traditionally have, but with maybe 4 rbs we keep plus our FB, rip, and the wr talent we seem to have, I would think this would be a good year to bring Bennett and kendricks plus an extra wr instead of a third te

 

[easyk83]

Janis will most likely make the team based on his performance on special teams but I'm not convinced that will have any influence on the receivers the Packers keep on the 53.

If he still can't run a route you'd have to figure on them not wanting to be in a position of having to count on him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If he still can't run a route you'd have to figure on them not wanting to be in a position of having to count on him.

If Janis still can't run a route, I really hope someone else makes him expendable on Special Teams. It sounds like we have a lot of promising young talent at the WR position this year, I would hate to lose one of those guys just because Janis was kept strictly due to being a bit above average as a gunner.

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

If Janis still can't run a route, I really hope someone else makes him expendable on Special Teams. It sounds like we have a lot of promising young talent at the WR position this year, I would hate to lose one of those guys just because Janis was kept strictly due to being a bit above average as a gunner.

makes me wish I could click agree more than once.

 

[Sky King]

Please, could we stop assuming Janis has finally grasped the playbook because of a few catches made in camp???

Just a reminder: You said last week that you weren't going to discuss Janis as a WR any longer. Why don't you simply keep your word and stay out of such discussions?

 

[easyk83]

If Janis still can't run a route, I really hope someone else makes him expendable on Special Teams. It sounds like we have a lot of promising young talent at the WR position this year, I would hate to lose one of those guys just because Janis was kept strictly due to being a bit above average as a gunner.

Just some hyperbole Poker, but McCarthy has repeatedly called Janis a core special teams player. Point remains if they think he's good enough to keep solely as an ST standout(which they might) it might cause them to keep an extra wideout or two.

 

[C-Lee]

Isn't Marty B (sadly) injury prone? RR is a borderline lock to make the final roster. Aaron likes him, too.

 

[Dantés]

Isn't Marty B (sadly) injury prone? RR is a borderline lock to make the final roster. Aaron likes him, too.

It's looking more that way all the time. I thought there was an outside shot that Sandland might unseat him, but that's looking unlikely. I've heard Sandland's name come up twice so far in camp-- once for a fumble and once for a bad drop. Meanwhile it sounds like Rodgers is having a great camp. They're in good shape if Bennett misses some time.

 

[Dantés]

Kind of a confusing statement:

Michael Cohen @Michael_Cohen13

McCarthy says Vince Biegel is ready, but calls the rehab "a process." Doesn't know exactly when he will be on the field. #Packers

 

[Jerellh528]

Isn't Marty B (sadly) injury prone? RR is a borderline lock to make the final roster. Aaron likes him, too.

Quite the opposite actually. In 9 seasons he's only missed 9 games, and 2 of them were due to a concussion iirc..played in all 16 games 6 out of 9 seasons. He's been able to play through his dings and keep himself in the lineup.

 

[C-Lee]

Quite the opposite actually. In 9 seasons he's only missed 9 games, and 2 of them were due to a concussion iirc..played in all 16 games 6 out of 9 seasons. He's been able to play through his dings and keep himself in the lineup.

Yay

 

[Deleted member 6794]

They traditionally have, but with maybe 4 rbs we keep plus our FB, rip, and the wr talent we seem to have, I would think this would be a good year to bring Bennett and kendricks plus an extra wr instead of a third te

I'm not in favor of the Packers only keeping two tight ends on the roster as that would leave the team extremely thin at the position.

Just a reminder: You said last week that you weren't going to discuss Janis as a WR any longer. Why don't you simply keep your word and stay out of such discussions?

Well, sometimes it's extremely difficult to keep such a promise.

Like in this case, with yet another poster concluding Janis has finally grasped the playbook based on several catches he has made during camp.

We've been there, done that before every single time he caught a ball in practice over the past three seasons as well and it's truly getting tiring that fans still suggest he might have an impact as a receiver.

 

[brandon2348]

Was a nice day at camp yesterday. Rain let up. Clark looks great and made a real nice catch over the middle. Guy looks real smooth out there with nice body control for someone of his size. Allison followed it up with a sweet sideline route and catch of his own. Yancy hit a long ball on a stop and go. Janis still looks almost robotic out there. I think Dupre needs to get bigger and saw him get muscled at point of catch. McCaffery becoming a fan fav as he just catches everything his way.

Also, Cobb has looked real good getting in and out of cuts.

Kevin King made a real nice physical play downfield breaking up a play and DR brought many to there feet with a sweet interception where he actually looked comfortable tracking the ball downfield.

GPG! Today should be fun

 

[HardRightEdge]

Jones will most be part of the inside linebacker rotation this season though.

You'd like to think so since it would save wear and tear on Burnett not to mention the need for that experience on the back end with a bunch of young corners. However, it remains to be seen.

ILB is a difficult position to play especially when you're an undersized hybrid. Burnett brought a lot of accumulated football knowledge and refined instincts to the job. You could see the play recognition. The emphasis has to be on read and react rather than working off blocks.

Jones is going to have to internalize a difficult scheme and limit mistakes without having his athleticism dulled, i.e., thinking his way through plays, without the benefit of much college experience at the position.

That's why they play the preseason games. I'm look forward to seeing if he's up to the challenge.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

You'd like to think so since it would save wear and tear on Burnett not to mention the need for that experience on the back end with a bunch of young corners. However, it remains to be seen.

ILB is a difficult position to play especially when you're an undersized hybrid. Burnett brought a lot of accumulated football knowledge and refined instincts to the job. You could see the play recognition. The emphasis has to be on read and react rather than working off blocks.

Jones is going to have to internalize a difficult scheme and limit mistakes without having his athleticism dulled, i.e., thinking his way through plays, without the benefit of much college experience at the position.

That's why they play the preseason games. I'm look forward to seeing if he's up to the challenge.

If you want a ilb who can keep up with the quick rbs, and fast tes. Then you have to settle for 225 pounders. And imo, as far as 220 pounders go. Jones is on par with Montgomery. Who also rewrote the book on physical abilities. He will do great imo..
The question is with both of them. Can they stay healthy?

In both cases. I believe we are seeing a slight change in scheme/personal, to accommodate. On offense, we brought in a 275 pound TE who is a force in the passing game, keeping lbs on their heels. As well as dig in the trenches, and carve out a lane like a mini o tackle...
On defense, to help Jones? Maybe more 3 down Dlinemen, or at least a deeper dline to keep everyone fresh in a quality rotation. Add a dynamic that the CBs are bigger, and play more physical up front. Allowing them to also contribute some tackles against the run. Also the fact we have two pro bowl caliber safety's Backing him up...

I think it will not only work. They both will thrive in an environment where their special abilities are built into the attack strategy. allowing us to get huge mismatches on offense, and negate huge mismatches on defense.

 

[AmishMafia]

Quite the opposite actually. In 9 seasons he's only missed 9 games, and 2 of them were due to a concussion iirc..played in all 16 games 6 out of 9 seasons. He's been able to play through his dings and keep8 himself in the lineup.

Bear in mind, this is before he became a packer.

Kind of a confusing statement:

I Think he meant Biegel feels he is ready to go but doc feels he needs to wait a bit more.

 

[HardRightEdge]

If you want a ilb who can keep up with the quick rbs, and fast tes.

When it's long yardage and the responsibility is coverage then dime safety or box safety or ILB is a distinction with little difference. That's the not the question. The question is all those tweener run-or-pass downs where you have to read, react and, if it's a run, get to the play before being taken out. That becomes more challenging with the Packers saying they're going to continue to play more gapping 3-4 under (which is why they drafted Clark) where the old concept of the D-Line taking up blockers to keep the ILBs cleaner to the hole is less in play. In this scheme, your ILBs have to be smarter and quicker to the play before O-Linemen releasing to the second level can get to them. At the same time, you really have to know what you're seeing or you just might get left flat footed by those TEs on a play action.

 

[Sky King]

Well, sometimes it's extremely difficult to keep such a promise.

Like in this case, with yet another poster concluding Janis has finally grasped the playbook based on several catches he has made during camp.

We've been there, done that before every single time he caught a ball in practice over the past three seasons as well and it's truly getting tiring that fans still suggest he might have an impact as a receiver.

You provided a lot of conclusions regarding "grasped the playbook" and "have an impact" that were not at all present in the most recent post, which referenced the blog reports of beat reporters' eyewitness commentary, podcasts, and the HC. It looks like a strawman of your own creation to justify intruding into a subject matter that you have recently claimed to have no interest. Is it that difficult for you to leave your ego at the forum door once in a while?

Here's what's truly getting old: It's that annoying obsession to pontificate to other posters regarding nearly every subject of interest to them and also to get-in the last word, just as you've attempted to do once again with the Janis reference in this thread. But this particular attempt goes well beyond merely stating your opinion because it appears to be a transparent attempt to censor others from discussing a subject that you don't want being discussed at all. Speaking for myself this forum does not revolve around you and your opinions, likes and dislikes. It's not your place to decide what others can or can't discuss.

If a subject truly doesn't interest you then you might want to try extending a little common courtesy to fellow posters by staying clear of the subject matter altogether instead of trying to suppress their participation in any such discussions.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Vis a vis Janis (or any other receiver) "grasping the playbook", it's not just memorizing the base routes in the calls.

You have to be able to read the defense the way the QB reads the defense, the so called "being on the same page" or the QB "throwing the receiver open". The QB has to have confidence the receiver is going to the point where the QB thinks he's going before the receiver breaks. At the highest level, the receiver calls for a change in route with a look or hand signal at the LOS that the QB confirms with a look or hand signal, or visa versa with the QB initiating the change and the WR confirming.

Whether it's an option route, reading a blitz, reading zone, reading corner inside or outside technique, press or off, or adjusting to the depth of a safety or an ILB, every route has a subtlety. There's a lot of sophisticated playground that goes into it. Making the right adjustments or choosing the right option is Job #1. Assuming the guys come to the project with decent physical attributes (catching fundamentals, hands, quickness, speed which is more or less a given at this level), he who masters the subtleties of route running wins snaps. A couple of tenths on a 40 time or a couple of inches on the tape will not matter.

So far, Janis has shown himself to be more athlete than wide receiver or even football player. But you never know. It took the better part of 4 years for Perry to be a guy.