Training camp 2017 notes and observations.

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sorry for the rehash, I should have just said there were 20 other variables that season besides Jordy. But I guess you meant to imply that nobody could step in and fill his shoes, wen in reality I think we had guys good enough as has been proven before and since that season, they just weren't healthy enough.

If Rollins and Randall looked the same to you physically from year one and two, I can see where you're coming from. They didn't to me.

As to the 2nd question about bringing in House and a draft pick? Absolutely. It's a passing league and even if Randall and Rollins were great last year, we'd be going into the season with them and Gunter and guys who should be role players. Heck, Gunter should only be a role player with help around him. With Shields and Hyde leaving, more secondary was needed. Maybe Jones and king aren't picked in Round2, but high DB picks would not have been surprising.

In regards to WR, I think history has shown, AR has a way of making our WR's look better than they actually are. So no, I don't think Adams or even one of my favorite players, James Jones, was able to fill the void when Jordy was hurt. But you are right, injuries play a role in everything. As they did last year at CB. I think it is easy to say Randall and Rollins would have played better healthy, no doubt. However, if memory serves me correct, there were times early in the season when one or both of them were "NFL healthy" and neither of them looked like a #1 or #2, which is much harder than being a #3 or #4. Coaches even acknowledged that they were disappointed that neither of them had made the jump from year 1 to 2 (injuries aside).

The disappointing part of the way this is all playing out for me, TT once again uses major draft assets on the defense, in this case, one position, CB (Randall, Rollins, King) and we are still going into a season not fully sure of the position. Meanwhile, the OLB position is scary thin and ILB is well....meh. Then you look at the big picture and say "with the draft so heavily focused on the defense over the last 5 years, how in the hell is our offense so good?" Smoke and mirrors and #12?

 

[rodell330]

why forget it? he played it, he did well in it. It doesn't fit your narrative? Let's just use the season he was hurt in pretty much all of it. A season where it was obvious to almost anyone watching he did not look the same physically as he did the year before and use that as the benchmark? I'm not going to argue that he had a decent season last year because it was pretty bad. But then he did not look the same physically from one year to the next to me. Same as Adams the year before and BahkT the year before that. Come back healthy, gain their physicality and amazingly enough, their play elevated right along with it.

Ok fine let's not forget his rookie season. Still he covering #3 and#4 wrs.

 

[PikeBadger]

Good point, what are any of us even doing here?

GUYS, ITS OKAY, WE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL NOW! GUYS?

No problem with the 'can keep' , but should??? We haven't seen them play any pre-season games?

Words have meaning. Is English your second language?

 

[Mondio]

Ok fine let's not forget his rookie season. Still he covering #3 and#4 wrs.

And he did not play them badly like you said, he actually played them pretty well. Considering it was his first in the pros and 2nd season ever playing the position, growth is not out of the realm of possibility. Is it?

 

[PikeBadger]

And he did not play them badly like you said, he actually played them pretty well. Considering it was his first in the pros and 2nd season ever playing the position, growth is not out of the realm of possibility. Is it?

Mondio, you may be banging your head against the wall here. Projecting young players growth is not a concept that plays well with many here.

 

[Mondio]

Mondio, you may be banging your head against the wall here. Projecting young players growth is not a concept that plays well with many here.

I get the headaches, I know what they're from

 

[longtimefan]

Vince should be ready to play in 2nd pre season game

 

[rodell330]

And he did not play them badly like you said, he actually played them pretty well. Considering it was his first in the pros and 2nd season ever playing the position, growth is not out of the realm of possibility. Is it?

Not all. Look all in saying is the guy regressed big time in his second year. Most players take a leap upwards in their second season. I think I'm among the majority who can agree that Rollins was a liability in coverage all year long. The completion percentage he allowed is staggering..even for a 2nd year guy.

 

[brandon2348]

Rollins Is a "pipe dream" to ever be a solid no.1 corner. Maybe and I mean maybe he can develop into a solid no.4 with the right players around him. I hated the pick back when they took him and I still do. I think we should be realistic here to what we actually have.

On another front I've noticed King being very "grabby" at point of attack during camp. This needs to be corrected.

 

[Mondio]

that isn't what you said, you said even healthy he was bad. why change the goal posts? so you think he sucked last year because he sucks and he's always been bad. I think he sucked last year because he got hurt and when he got hurt, everyone else around him got hurt and the secondary played all year with guys trying to cover up everyone elses deficiencies including their own. it was a giant cluster. Nobody thinks he had a glowing 2nd year, that's not even the debate.

 

[Dantés]

Twitterings:

-Crazy WR competition. Yancey is coming on, Davis has made some big plays, McCaffrey is evidently always open, and Michael Clark continues to make big grabs.

-Gunter is getting some slot looks after several really bad practices outside. You really hope that some of the young corners show enough to make Gunter a roster cut.

-Seems that there is absolutely no competition for the starting OL spots (Evans has it locked down), but the backup spots are wide, wide open.

-Seems that if the season started today, House and Rollins would start on the outside and Randall would be the nickel. Would be huge if both young guys bounce back.

-Joe Kerridge is going to make the FB spot a highly contested one.

-Hundley is getting hot. This preseason is the last chance to show off enough value to work a nice trade.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

While I want and hope our defense gets things together, I am not really expecting a whole lot at this point. I think what has me the most pumped is talk of all these WR's being so impressive. Is this a result of bringing together such a highly competitive group or just a lot of talent? Me thinks a bit of both. One thing for sure, if the WR's continue to impress this next month, the cut down is going to be tough and there will be a lot of teams licking their chops just waiting to pick up the final WR(s) cut by the Packers. I also wouldn't be surprised if a Trade of of one of the WR's happens, which could possibly be someone like Allison or maybe even Adams.

The more I hear about the young WR's, the more I see Janis's odds of making the team lesson, unless he is just lights out better at gunner than anyone else.

 

[Dantés]

While I want and hope our defense gets things together, I am not really expecting a whole lot at this point. I think what has me the most pumped is talk of all these WR's being so impressive. Is this a result of bringing together such a highly competitive group or just a lot of talent? Me thinks a bit of both. One thing for sure, if the WR's continue to impress this next month, the cut down is going to be tough and there will be a lot of teams licking their chops just waiting to pick up the final WR(s) cut by the Packers. I also wouldn't be surprised if a Trade of of one of the WR's happens, which could possibly be someone like Allison or maybe even Adams.

The more I hear about the young WR's, the more I see Janis's odds of making the team lesson, unless he is just lights out better at gunner than anyone else.

Tom Silverstein noted in a podcast that Allison has barely been getting any work at all and he felt it was kind of strange. He can't play until week 2, but you would think that his snaps would tail off only when they start seriously gameplanning for that first contest. So is this punishment? That would also strike me as a little odd because it's not like he's so established that they absolutely know who he is and what he can do. You would think that comparing him to the other young receivers would be more important than punishing him. He also doesn't do anything at all on special teams, so that hurts him. I still have some doubts about him making the team. If enough of the young players carry their success well into the preseason, he could lose his spot permanently.

 

[Candidate for Deletion]

No problem with the 'can keep' , but should??? We haven't seen them play any pre-season games?

Words have meaning. Is English your second language?

.....not sure if a long-con troll, referencing somebody else's post while replying to mine, or just daft....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Tom Silverstein noted in a podcast that Allison has barely been getting any work at all and he felt it was kind of strange. He can't play until week 2, but you would think that his snaps would tail off only when they start seriously gameplanning for that first contest. So is this punishment? That would also strike me as a little odd because it's not like he's so established that they absolutely know who he is and what he can do. You would think that comparing him to the other young receivers would be more important than punishing him. He also doesn't do anything at all on special teams, so that hurts him. I still have some doubts about him making the team. If enough of the young players carry their success well into the preseason, he could lose his spot permanently.

Didn't know that about Allison, but you are right, he may be in the coach's doghouse or maybe injured? I mentioned him as trade bait in my last post, but he may not bring much if they don't play him in the preseason. As we learned last year in the case of Sitton, I bet its not easy trading guys this time of year, since teams know cuts are coming and some of those cuts are players that can improve the bottom part of many rosters. Although in Sitton's case, gave the Bears a quality starter for "free".

 

[Dantés]

Didn't know that about Allison, but you are right, he may be in the coach's doghouse or maybe injured? I mentioned him as trade bait in my last post, but he may not bring much if they don't play him in the preseason. As we learned last year in the case of Sitton, I bet its not easy trading guys this time of year, since teams know cuts are coming and some of those cuts are players that can improve the bottom part of many rosters. Although in Sitton's case, gave the Bears a quality starter for "free".

I can't imagine he has any trade value, can you? I think many fans greatly overrate what he did last season. He caught a few balls, mostly off-script when Rodgers scrambled. But ultimately we're talking about a UDFA who is a bad athlete, can't play special teams, and with off field baggage.

 

[AmishMafia]

I can't imagine he has any trade value, can you? I think many fans greatly overrate what he did last season. He caught a few balls, mostly off-script when Rodgers scrambled. But ultimately we're talking about a UDFA who is a bad athlete, can't play special teams, and with off field baggage.

So probably only a 2nd rounder . . .

Packers are going to have a few cuts that are playing on other teams this year. Doubt we get trade offers unless it's Adams or Cobb (Of he restructures) otherwise teams will just wait for our cuts.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can't imagine he has any trade value, can you? I think many fans greatly overrate what he did last season. He caught a few balls, mostly off-script when Rodgers scrambled. But ultimately we're talking about a UDFA who is a bad athlete, can't play special teams, and with off field baggage.

Honestly, you are probably right, especially this time of year when cut WR's will fill the waiver wires. I mentioned the possibility of a trade of a WR earlier, simply because it sounds like we have more than 6-7 talented ones. Now getting anything for anyone other than Nelson (no trade), Cobb (contract kills trade) or Adams (possible) is another story. One of the young guys would have to be really impressive during the preseason for a team to trade for him.

 

[Dantés]

Honestly, you are probably right, especially this time of year when cut WR's will fill the waiver wires. I mentioned the possibility of a trade of a WR earlier, simply because it sounds like we have more than 6-7 talented ones. Now getting anything for anyone other than Nelson (no trade), Cobb (contract kills trade) or Adams (possible) is another story. One of the young guys would have to be really impressive during the preseason for a team to trade for him.

Agreed. I would say that Adams and Nelson are the only tradeable commodities of the WR corps, and I wouldn't move either. Based on everything I've read, Adams has been far and away the 2nd best receiver in camp. I believe he's really important to Rodgers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Not going to happen, but can you imagine how ballistic some might go if Jordy was traded? LOL

Think #12 would be leading the flaming pitchforks march.

 

[Alex42152]

Not a big surprise. Get em ready for the second half of the season.

We´ll do great and I´m sure of that, a lot of potential

 

[thequick12]

Rollins Is a "pipe dream" to ever be a solid no.1 corner. Maybe and I mean maybe he can develop into a solid no.4 with the right players around him. I hated the pick back when they took him and I still do. I think we should be realistic here to what we actually have.

On another front I've noticed King being very "grabby" at point of attack during camp. This needs to be corrected.

I think youre wrong about rollins he can be a real good slot player ala micah hyde hes a interception waiting to happen. Kind of a cross between micah hyde and casey hayward. I woukdnt be surprised if he grabbed 5 picks this season

 

[Mondio]

I liked Hyde, he was dependable and a good football player. I think Rollins has a higher ceiling than he did by a lot. We'll see if he gets there.

 

[mongoosev]

Agreed. I would say that Adams and Nelson are the only tradeable commodities of the WR corps, and I wouldn't move either. Based on everything I've read, Adams has been far and away the 2nd best receiver in camp. I believe he's really important to Rodgers.

That explains why he never gave up on him and kept targeting him that season when everyone called him butterball or something like that. I guess rod's trust in him is paying off.

 

[Dantés]

That explains why he never gave up on him and kept targeting him that season when everyone called him butterball or something like that. I guess rod's trust in him is paying off.

Getting open early in the down is absolutely critical in this offense, and Adams might be the best guy on the team in that particular skillset.