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[swhitset]

We were actually down by two at that point, so a TD would have put us up by 4 minimum, possibly 6 if we go for two. So ... Rams would need a TD to win it in either case, not a FG.

You are correct. I, however would not enjoy watching the Rams offense get another chance even if it was a TD that was needed.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

ty week to be debating this. NE can be beat by a pass catching RB. Game plan could have exploited that. Instead, our receiving back may be gone or at least not trusted. Either one could mean more of Cobb in the backfield. He was even worse than Monty as a run threat.
MM seems to not make knee jerk responses so he will probably give Ty another chance. I don't expect him to return kicks though. He also only had 6 offensive snaps vs the Rams. A lot of dead electrons for a bit player.

Why would we need to do this? We don't need 3 damn RBs in the backfield splitting carries when 2 is enough.

This isn't 2016 anymore where TT screwed us over with no RB depth. Montgomery is easily replaceable without needing to turn a WR into a RB.

 

[Mondio]

Why would we need to do this? We don't need 3 damn RBs in the backfield splitting carries when 2 is enough.

This isn't 2016 anymore where TT screwed us over with no RB depth. Montgomery is easily replaceable without needing to turn a WR into a RB.

what, did we go thru 5 of them that year and you think that was screwed over with no depth. Now 2 is enough LOL.

anyway, 88 shouldn't be getting too many carries regardless of yesterday, and wasn't. I swear half of his offensive snaps were on a meaningless end of half drive. he wasn't heavily utilized at all, and I saw him getting phased out, more than in. I think he just hastened his exit

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

what, did we go thru 5 of them that year and you think that was screwed over with no depth. Now 2 is enough LOL.

anyway, 88 shouldn't be getting too many carries regardless of yesterday, and wasn't. I swear half of his offensive snaps were on a meaningless end of half drive. he wasn't heavily utilized at all, and I saw him getting phased out, more than in. I think he just hastened his exit

No, that's not quite what happened, and it certainly does not change the fact that putting Cobb in the backfield is a very dumb idea. He is a WR and as such, he needs to stay there so we don't needlessly injure any of Rodgers's passing weapons.

 

[Mondio]

No, that's not quite what happened, and it certainly does not change the fact that putting Cobb in the backfield is a very dumb idea. He is a WR and as such, he needs to stay there so we don't needlessly injure any of Rodgers's passing weapons.

How did it happen? I remember lacy and Starks and Crocket and a Burks maybe and someone else. Then moving monty from WR to RB because we had to.

anyway, Cobb isn't a RB, he's injured anyway. It's time to play or leave for him. I'm not concerned about playing around a fear of him getting hurt. He takes what, 5-10 gadget play snaps out of the backfield every season? BFD. This week might be a better week to have him there. NE is open to the passing game going thru the backfield. Maybe Cobb this week makes sense back there for a handful of snaps.

 

[azrsx05]

Why aren't MVS or St. Brown doing returns. That will give them action and I think both of them have the speed to actually do something on returns. It's like coaching staff said, who are our 2 slowest players and made them returners. Tramo is ok, but won't run by anyone.. Ty hesitates way too much before attaching the gap. It's like he runs straight into coverage every single time and you can see it slowly developing.

 

[Mondio]

they had MVS return some kicks in preseason, he didn't look all that good or natural doing it. Truth be told though, i'm not sure why montgomery was doing it either, as he never has looked that good and there is no game breaking speed. There isn't even consistent returns. Speed to get the 20 is about all we could hope for. My guess it was a way to get him on the field and give him snaps for being a good team player. That good will ran out last night I think LOL

But nobody else really beat him out for it. give the vet some reps is the best I can come up with for why he was there.

 

[Mondio]

I wonder if cutting him is the right move? I mean, if we can get even a 6th or 7th in a trade, do it. but I'd say, bench him and if he's disruptive in the locker room, send him home. pay him, but send him home. Cutting him just seems to reward his tantrum right now and I wouldn't have guessed it before, but maybe he would be the type to go to a different team and spill everything he knows about the offense. Cut him after patriots week

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Why aren't MVS or St. Brown doing returns. That will give them action and I think both of them have the speed to actually do something on returns. It's like coaching staff said, who are our 2 slowest players and made them returners. Tramo is ok, but won't run by anyone.. Ty hesitates way too much before attaching the gap. It's like he runs straight into coverage every single time and you can see it slowly developing.

I bet Mercedes Lewis is better at returning kicks than dumpster Monty.

 

[swhitset]

I wonder if cutting him is the right move? I mean, if we can get even a 6th or 7th in a trade, do it. but I'd say, bench him and if he's disruptive in the locker room, send him home. pay him, but send him home. Cutting him just seems to reward his tantrum right now and I wouldn't have guessed it before, but maybe he would be the type to go to a different team and spill everything he knows about the offense. Cut him after patriots week

I’ve been thinking the same thing... getting cut may be what he wants.

 

[XPack]

Looks like TyM is getting support from Brandon Bostick

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

In watching the return, one could also fault Lucas Patrick and James Crawford for standing around and watching guys ran straight into Ty. Jamal Williams was the other part of the wedge with Patrick. He blocked two guys quite well, de-cleating the second guy. Overall I think that most people did a poor job on that return.

Guys were probably standing around because they assumed Montgomery was going to do as instructed, "Take a Knee". This one is all on Monty.

I wonder if cutting him is the right move? I mean, if we can get even a 6th or 7th in a trade, do it. but I'd say, bench him and if he's disruptive in the locker room, send him home. pay him, but send him home. Cutting him just seems to reward his tantrum right now and I wouldn't have guessed it before, but maybe he would be the type to go to a different team and spill everything he knows about the offense. Cut him after patriots week

I thought of the same thing. If Belichick can, he would grab him off waivers in a flash. If the Packers are going to cut Monty, do it Saturday. By not cutting him, they run the risk of losing the locker room. I have heard nothing but "unnamed players" being quoted as saying it was a selfish move that cost them the chance to potentially win the game. How do you keep him on the team with teammates pissed off and not supporting him? When Crosby had a bad game in Detroit, we heard nothing but players supporting him.

 

[Mondio]

big difference in player support between what happened in LA and Detroit. and shouldn't be discounted

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I remember seeing this play and saying out loud....."Hell yes, we finally have a smart player back there returning kicks!" At this time, I would like to retract that statement.

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[GB2016]

Zook should also be held accountable...he's the one evaluating and fielding the ST's.

 

[Ken smith]

Not to make excuses, but he was only a yard in the end zone. Kick returners start their run up further back in the end zone. When he chose to field the kick he was moving forward towards the goal line while looking at the ball and with rams bearing down on him. Catching the ball, he wouldn’t have known if he had crossed the goal line. Maybe thinking he had, he chose to take off and make the best of it. Most all kicks these days either fly past the end zone or land very deep. Things happen in less than a second. If anything it was a perfectly placed kick that caused the poor decision and perfect storm to the fumble. Man had no choice but to run or risk pinning them down along the goal line... and we all saw how well that scenario ended earlier. A special teams coaches business is to know all the little things. Shoulda told Monty to stand right on the goal line. Ball goes over or past you... let it go.... ball lands and dribbles in front... go get it. Pretty sure this was a coaching instruction breakdown.

So, I reversed on this comment after the official story got leaked.

 

[gonzozab]

Per Rob Demovsky, Montgomery said he's always told to keep kickoffs in the end zone but he was worried he might be too close to the goal line.

Rubbish! He was literally standing on the goal line on the kickoff. If you back up to catch the ball, guess what? You're in the end zone.

 

[Ken smith]

Wait a second... ya Monty messed us up. But who’s bright idea was it to send him out for the big kick right after he went on a tirade ripping the entire team?

 

[Mondio]

I remember seeing this play and saying out loud....."Hell yes, we finally have a smart player back there returning kicks!" At this time, I would like to retract that statement.

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i was thinking about that too, Monty isn't a dumb player, nor does he seem like a bad team player either. he did switch from WR to RB because we needed him too. none of it really makes sense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

i was thinking about that too, Monty isn't a dumb player, nor does he seem like a bad team player either. he did switch from WR to RB because we needed him too. none of it really makes sense.

What does make sense though is a guy who's ticked off because he got pulled out of a game, when he felt he shouldn't and then when he himself saw an "opportunity" to try to prove his value, he ignored his coach, forgot about his teammates and failed miserably. I don't care if he was Devin Hester 10 years ago, if the coaches specifically instruct you to take a knee in the end zone, you take a knee. Don't ignore your coach or your teammates.

 

[lambeaulambo]

This is an outrage....it sounds like Ty decided on his own after being angry due to being sat for Aaron Jones. Oh boy...do not pay him, but rather trade him to the Bills, Jets, or Cardinals. I am speechless. If McCarthy stands behind him after this the team could possibly start going south due to a lack of accountability. This is more serious than I first thought.

 

[thisisnate]

We can't cut TyMont until after the Pats game. You all know why.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

What does make sense though is a guy who's ticked off because he got pulled out of a game, when he felt he shouldn't and then when given an "opportunity" to try to prove his value, he ignored his coach, forgot about his teammates and failed miserably. I don't care if he was Devin Hester 10 years ago, if the coaches specifically instruct you to take a knee in the endzone, you take a knee.

The other thing is sure, he switched to RB, but from what I heard he said about that, he not only was willing to do it, he almost seemed to be jumping up and down about it. I think because he kinda became our number one two years ago, I gotta think it got to his ego.

I feel like perhaps in reaching that status, he forgot about how competitive a RB job can be. If he had just stayed at his job and realized okay, I don't like that my role has started dwindling, but I know I just gotta keep working hard because I'll get more opportunities eventually, I think we'd be less pissed at him right now.

Now I don't know, was his sideline tantrum a revelation of locker room disquietude going on coming to light out in public? Or was it just a heat of the moment uncharacteristic reaction of him? I don't know, but I would guess he's at least been internally frustrated and let the pent up rage boil over.

And everything I've heard of Rodgers's take on this is that he's let his displeasure of Montgomery be known.

 

[XPack]

Zook should also be held accountable...he's the one evaluating and fielding the ST's.

Wut? Nobody expects a dumb move like that. There's no way anyone can evaluate impulse actions like this.

 

[LambeauLombardi]

He did say the right things in the interview. He said he made a split second decision and went with it. The decision to return it was not based on what happened on the sideline earlier. I still think what he did is moronic, but I really believe his reasoning behind what he did even though it was a giant mistake.