Time To Fire Shawn Mennenga?

should Mennega be fired?


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How much less production would they get if they just hired this forum and we told the players - "when we kick or punt, tackle the guy with the ball; when we receive block somebody so the our guy with the ball can score"? I mean, really, it's the same as having Millen run the Lions for so long and the dumpster fire that is, and has been, the Jets. I think this is one of the situations where the caveat that "these guys are professionals" doesn't hold water.
 

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We can talk to WIMM about salaries, and we could Zoom those instructions to the troops. :)
 

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I agree that Mennenga (can we fix the spelling of his name in the title??) should probably be let go, but two critical things need to be in place for that to happen:

1. The head coach has to be strong enough to do it
2. You actually need to have a better, capable coach ready to take his place


Matt LeFleur has been pretty good at his job so far. However, terminating someone's job is a completely different animal. Unless you are the president who takes pride in firing people, most people find it difficult on a personal level to do it especially for the first time. You can all blather about how it's his job and what-not, but my guess is that the majority of forum posters have not had to personally look someone in the eye and tell them that you are firing them from their job. Unless you hate the person or they deserve it for misconduct, it is hard to do. I am not questioning LeFleur's ability, but merely pointing out that I don't think that he has fired anyone yet except for when he first became head coach....letting Mike McCarthy hold-overs go.

Second, I don't know one thing about Assistant Special Teams Coach Maurice Drayton or ST Quality Control Coach Rayna Stewart. They look like good guys on the Packers.com website, but its possible that they are 100% in-step with how Mennenga runs our special teams. If LeFleur isn't confident that one of those guys can lead the group through the rest of the season, then who does it. Most special teams coaches are employed with another team/university right now.


Firing Mennenga is one thing, but replacing him with a better coach is the key. Firing for the sake of firing is knee-jerk and ridiculously stupid.

Except if what Fredrik says about Mark Murphy is true, that tells me that we got a CEO micromanaging coaching staff hiring and firing decisions. It would confirm my suspicions too that Matt LaFleur won't be able to let Pettine go either unless Murphy allows it.


This special teams incompetence has dogged this organization for I'd say the better part of about 23 years. Have to go back to the days when Nolan Cromwell was our STC under Mike Holmgren to look at a Packers unit that was always sound and disciplined in that category. Granted he had some all pros that helped like our punter and kickoff specialist Craig Hentrich, and of course our MVP return man Desmond Howard. But Wolf and Holmgren definitely weren't about to let that side of the team deteriorate under their watch.

But ever since Wolf left the building I'd say it has suffered because of both coaches and upper management refusing to do anything about it. Even in 2010, as another poster mentioned, it was bad. Yeah, we won the superbowl in spite of that, but just think of how it cost us in other years. 2014 being the perfect example. Our team was great that year like it is this year, but all it took was one game, the nfccg for the ST to blow it and cost us a chance to get Rodgers his second ring.

I just feel like right now we're in a similar situation.

Chances are we're going to face the Saints again in the playoffs, and if it's a close one, you'd better believe Sean Payton is going to look to pull some gadgetry out of it be it a fake punt or fg. If I know Mennenga's group has discipline problems, I'm definitely going to test them.

Yeah, we do need to do more than just fire a bad STC, we need to open up the wallet and pay an elite coach to fix it once and for all. Bring the pressure down on Murphy and Gutes heads to do this.
 

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Shawn Mennenga’s group ranks:
  • 32nd in punt coverage
  • 19th in kickoff coverage
  • 28th in punt-return average
  • 31st in kickoff-return average
  • tied for 19th in punting average
  • 28th in net punting average
  • 23rd in extra-point percentage
  • tied for first in field-goal percentage.
At least we have Mason Crosby. :tup:
 

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I read a few articles tonight. One mentioned (https://www.packersnews.com/story/s...tackle-problem-poor-punt-coverage/3861815001/) how JK Scott continues to punt to the middle of the field, which was one of the major contributing factor in the Reagor punt return. Another article (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/20...ions-from-rewatching-packers-win-over-eagles/) talked about Hunter Bradley's snaps becoming more erratic, including the one on Crosby's shanked XP.

Mennenga certainly is leading this ship, but the players aren't doing him any favors either.

(p.s. special thanks to the forum gods for fixing the thread title)
 

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Mennenga certainly is leading this ship, but the players aren't doing him any favors either.

Much like the ST coaches before him, you can't fire all 20 or so players that make up your special teams. When you can point to several players or several times a whole unit fails, that is on the coaching. On the flip side, I can't remember the last time one of the units has done something special (good special), that to me is an indictment of the Coach.

I realize that there probably aren't great replacements just walking around right now, but as soon as there is, time to hire that person and give Shawn his walking papers.
 

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Just about anyone could do better with only on the job training. imo
 

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Maybe we could rename them "Other Teams" since there is certainly nothing special about them this season....
 

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Maybe we could rename them "Other Teams" since there is certainly nothing special about them this season....

You saying that they all should get participation trophies though?

I prefer to call them the "Oh hell, hold your breath Team".

It's a bad sign when I am just thankful that the Packers didn't fumble and there isn't a penalty flag laying on the field after a 10 yard kick return or a fair catch on a punt.

On the coverage side, I am happy with anything short of the 35 on kickoffs and less than 10 yard returns on punts.
 

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It's hard for me to place blame on the coach for the long snapper and the punter. I don't think I've ever heard of a special teams coach that knows about (or how to teach) the specialists. Perhaps Scott and Bradley need to work on their snaps? A previously good snapper turning worse implies injury or lack of practice.

I do blame him for the punt returns though. In both cases, our coverage players had terrible lane integrity. The scheme can't be that bad, that's freshman high school level basics.

Either our depth is that poor that we have terrible special teams players or again, special teams isn't getting practice time to get it right. Or some of each.
 

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Maybe we could rename them "Other Teams" since there is certainly nothing special about them this season....

I believe the term is "differently-abled". 'Other' is not very inclusive.

And, BTW, are you you are a latinx packer fan or are you appropriating the el guapo?
 

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Shawn Mennenga’s group ranks:
  • 32nd in punt coverage
  • 19th in kickoff coverage
  • 28th in punt-return average
  • 31st in kickoff-return average
  • tied for 19th in punting average
  • 28th in net punting average
  • 23rd in extra-point percentage
  • tied for first in field-goal percentage.
At least we have Mason Crosby. :tup:


Our punting issues are because our Punter played at Bama and was drafted by the pack. Saban's players never do well here for longer than 1 season.
 

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Yes fire this Mennenga clown and fire him now!!!

I mean, don't get it wrong today was a good day and this win was big. We escaped which was all we needed to do.

But this special teams unit could be a huge liability come playoff time if we don't can his ***. I'd still fire him even with a W today.
 

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In the name of all that's holy what do we have to do to have a respectable special teams unit?
 

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And, BTW, are you you are a latinx packer fan or are you appropriating the el guapo?
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Our special teams have absolutely gotten to the point where LeFluer needs to be involved. I doesn't appear that he plans to replace Mennenga mid-season, so the only thing left is for LeFluer to either personally help or add help to the coaching side. If it truly is player mistakes, then Gute needs to find a hungry street FA to come in and play lights out.
 

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And fire Mark Murphy too so we can get a CEO who will shell out money for the Dave Toub and Darren Rizzi types.
well Toub is also an "assistant HC" so we're not getting him. Rizzi wanted a lot of money, apparently he's worth it. But i'm not throwing babies out with bath water. Overall the Packers are pretty strong organization on the field and off. I think identifying whether it's coach or players and changing it would be enough.

We have to have the players on this roster to have better special teams coverages than we do, so lets get them on the ST's. or we need a different coach.
 

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well Toub is also an "assistant HC" so we're not getting him. Rizzi wanted a lot of money, apparently he's worth it. But i'm not throwing babies out with bath water. Overall the Packers are pretty strong organization on the field and off. I think identifying whether it's coach or players and changing it would be enough.

We have to have the players on this roster to have better special teams coverages than we do, so lets get them on the ST's. or we need a different coach.

Rizzi was multiple things.

We lowballed him initially, but did eventually meet his salary request. Main thing was his wife didn’t wanna live in GB. Some people just don’t like the winter.
 
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