The Official 2019 Packers Takes Thread

[GleefulGary]

Hot takes? Cold takes? Lukewarm takes? THIS IS THE PLACE FOR THEM!! I'll start them off for you.

1) Aaron Jones is a Pro Bowl player.

2) Raven Greene plays over 50% of defensive snaps. And eventually whenever he makes a good play, we are all obligated to say "that's so Raven." It is written in the scrolls.

3) The defense is a top 10 unit.

4) Trevor Davis is on the roster, Kumerow is cut/PS.

5) Rashan Gary has more sacks in his rookie year than he did in his final college season.

6) Mike Daniels will be an unhappy camper, and this is his final year here.

7) MVS has 6+ TD's.

8) We make the playoffs, but a Super Bowl is not in the cards.

 

[Mondio]

If AJ stays healthy, he'll have the stats for sure, but voting always seems to be a year behind on those things.

I will ****ing sing "That's so Raven" with infliction and the entirety of my vocal range.

I think the defense will be top 10

I'm not sure Davis or Kumerow is on the roster.

I'm excited to see what Gary can do, i was so so when I heard the pick even a bit disappointed because he wasn't anyone I had pegged for us, but after having time to check it all out, this guy has all the tools he needs. I think he'll have more sacks in the pro's than his last college season.

I do think Daniels is on his way out but he'll be playing for money elsewhere one more time and will produce well.

I think EQ will be used more this year than MVS. I'm not predicting TD's

and we're winning the super bowl, because one of these times I'm going to be right.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

5) Rashan Gary has more sacks in his rookie year than he did in his final college season.

That's not even a lukewarm take as it would disappointing if Gary ends up with 3.5 or less sacks this season.

 

[GleefulGary]

That's not even a lukewarm take as it would disappointing if Gary ends up with 3.5 or less sacks this season.

You've been saying you don't like him bc he wasn't productive at all in college, yet you expect him to be more productive in the NFL?

There's no consistency in that!

Shoot man, if he has 5 sacks as a rookie, that would be pretty damn awesome. I'm sure you'd say it was just adequate though.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

11-5 record w/ NFCCG appearance (Loss @ New Orleans)

Top 10 Defense

Top 15 Offense

Jimmy G - 68 rec, 798 yds, 12 TDs

GMo - 58 rec, 773 yds, 8 TDs

MVS & ESB combine for 1000 yds and 10 TDs

D. Williams - 93 car, 425 yds, 5 TDs

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You've been saying you don't like him bc he wasn't productive at all in college, yet you expect him to be more productive in the NFL?

Shoot man, if he has 5 sacks as a rookie, that would be pretty damn awesome. I'm sure you'd say it was just adequate though.

For the umpteenth time I merely mentioned that Gary's lack of production in college is reason for concern. There's no doubt it would be a disappointment if he doesn't end up with more than 3.5 sacks in his rookie campaign.

 

[PackFan2]

Hot takes? Cold takes? Lukewarm takes? THIS IS THE PLACE FOR THEM!! I'll start them off for you.

1) Aaron Jones is a Pro Bowl player.

2) Raven Greene plays over 50% of defensive snaps. And eventually whenever he makes a good play, we are all obligated to say "that's so Raven." It is written in the scrolls.

3) The defense is a top 10 unit.

4) Trevor Davis is on the roster, Kumerow is cut/PS.

5) Rashan Gary has more sacks in his rookie year than he did in his final college season.

6) Mike Daniels will be an unhappy camper, and this is his final year here.

7) MVS has 6+ TD's.

8) We make the playoffs, but a Super Bowl is not in the cards.

Thanks Gary for creating the thread. This is just my HOT takes. (They're just hot takes don't be offended)

1) Kevin King barely starts 8 games due to injuries and Tony Brown shines.

2) Bulaga gets injured early and comes back later in the season. Thus, Jenkins plays alot more than we expected.

3) Gary struggles early (and people will label him bust) but picks up mid and late season, picking up 6 sacks and multiple hurries.

4) Oren Burks is going to struggle (yes I am a critic of his, I know alot of people like Burks- he's yet to show me much), prompting Raven Greene to star next to Martinez

5) JMon Moore struggles again with drops but is kept over Kumerow for 53 man roster.

6) Mike Daniels holds out during mandatory practice seeking extended contract or wants a trade.

7) Josh Jones gets traded for another player looking for a fresh start (albeit another athletic player or draft pick).

 

[PackFan2]

Kumerow is cut/PS.

I think Kumerow isn't eligible for the PSquad anymore but definitely on the bubble for getting cut.

 

[GleefulGary]

I think Kumerow isn't eligible for the PSquad anymore but definitely on the bubble for getting cut.

Pretty sure he still is, thought I saw one of the beat writers indicate he is.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Oren Burks is going to struggle (yes I am a critic of his, I know alot of people like Burks- he's yet to show me much), prompting Raven Greene to star next to Martinez

At 197 pounds, Greene would be an odd choice to line up next to Martinez.

Mike Daniels holds out during mandatory practice seeking extended contract or wants a trade.

In that case the Packers should release him immediately.

I think Kumerow isn't eligible for the PSquad anymore but definitely on the bubble for getting cut.

Kumerow is still eligible for the practice squad.

 

[GleefulGary]

In regards to Greene, apparently he has bulked up (to what weight I have no idea), and in OTA's they've been playing him in that dime LB spot that Burnett and Jones played.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

In regards to Greene, apparently he has bulked up (to what weight I have no idea), and in OTA's they've been playing him in that dime LB spot that Burnett and Jones played.

I wouldn't put too much stock into OTA practices.

 

[GleefulGary]

I wouldn't put too much stock into OTA practices.

Look, I didn't say he was going to play a lot there, but it absolutely matters that they are having him practice at that position.

The coaching staff likes Greene. You don't necessarily need to pay attention to how well guys perform at OTA's, but where they play is important. Coaches aren't having them practice different positions for the hell of it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Look, I didn't say he was going to play a lot there, but it absolutely matters that they are having him practice at that position.

The coaching staff likes Greene. You don't necessarily need to pay attention to how well guys perform at OTA's, but where they play is important. Coaches aren't having them practice different positions for the hell of it.

The coaches giving Greene a look at dime linebacker definitely means the want to give him a look there but as long as he hasn't significantly bulked up this offseason I highly doubt he will receive playing time in that role anytime soon.

 

[GleefulGary]

The coaches giving Greene a look at dime linebacker definitely means the want to give him a look there but as long as he hasn't significantly bulked up this offseason I highly doubt he will receive playing time in that role anytime soon.

You don't think he'll play that role this year?

I'll take some of that action.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Oren Burks is going to struggle (yes I am a critic of his, I know alot of people like Burks- he's yet to show me much), prompting Raven Greene to star next to Martinez.

I'm not clear on why there is growing enthusiasm for Greene, but if Burks disappoints again requiring Greene to take the field, the more likely scenario is Smash Amos at ILB/box safety and Greene at the back end. But frankly, if Williams is not otherwise occupied at one of the corner positions because of injury or disappointment, I think he'll be the first safety off the bench.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You don't think he'll play that role this year?

I'll take some of that action.

I haven't seen Greene practice this offseason but if he hasn't added some significant weight I don't expect him to line up at linebacker.

 

[HardRightEdge]

In regards to Greene, apparently he has bulked up (to what weight I have no idea), and in OTA's they've been playing him in that dime LB spot that Burnett and Jones played.

Dime LB is a differerent animal than ILB in base or nickel. Dropping 8 or 10 yards deep in long yardage, covering the middle zone, and spying for the QB scramble is a lot different than positioning to defend the run.

Whether you call that player a dime LB or the 7th. DB in a quarter defense is a distinction without a difference. And that defense is run about 10% of the time.

 

[GleefulGary]

I haven't seen Greene practice this offseason but if he hasn't added some significant weight I don't expect him to line up at linebacker.

He would be playing the same position that Jermaine Whitehead did, and Whitehead was 195 lbs.

Follow the Mike Pettine trend, man.

 

[Dantés]

The coaches giving Greene a look at dime linebacker definitely means the want to give him a look there but as long as he hasn't significantly bulked up this offseason I highly doubt he will receive playing time in that role anytime soon.

They played Whitehead there in certain packages and they're basically the exact same size.

 

[Dantés]

He would be playing the same position that Jermaine Whitehead did, and Whitehead was 195 lbs.

Follow the Mike Pettine trend, man.

What he said. Beat me to it.

 

[GleefulGary]

Dime LB is a differerent animal than ILB in base or nickel. Dropping 8 or 10 yards deep in long yardage, covering the middle zone, and spying for the QB scramble is a lot different than positioning to defend the run.

Whether you call that player a dime LB or the 7th. DB in a quarter defense is a distinction without a difference. And that defense is run about 10% of the time.

Dime and Nickel LB have different roles, but they're often played by the same player.

 

[Dantés]

Dime LB is a differerent animal than ILB in base or nickel. Dropping 8 or 10 yards deep in long yardage, covering the middle zone, and spying for the QB scramble is a lot different than positioning to defend the run.

Whether you call that player a dime LB or the 7th. DB in a quarter defense is a distinction without a difference. And that defense is run about 10% of the time.

This is often (always?) not true.

A dime linebacker is usually a 6th DB playing the role of a second linebacker in a given play. In the dime that I've seen, there are 5 other DB's on the field in addition to the dime linebacker, not 6.

Quarter defense uses 7 DB's.

This is because the terms nickel, dime, quarter refer to personnel, not alignment.

This is what I've seen, and admittedly I have not studied all the dime packages in the league.

 

[906Fan]

Lukewarm takes
1) LaFleur brings in some of his Tennessee offense experience and uses the running game more, and doesn't rely on QB greatness to win games
2) Josh Jones sticks around long enough to get enough playing time to look below average and then be traded

 

[HardRightEdge]

Pretty sure he still is, thought I saw one of the beat writers indicate he is.

Here are the practice squad eligibility rules as of last season. I've not heard of any changes for this season.

• A team can have up to 4 players on the practice squad with 2 accrued seasons. An accrued season is one where a player is on a 53 man roster for at least 6 games.

• If he is not one of those 4 players, he cannot have more than one accrued season.

• Regardless of accrued seasons, a player cannot be on a practice squad for more than 3 season where 6 weeks or more constitutes a season.

If Kumerow's Wikipedia page is accurate:

• He had two qualifying practice squad years in 2015 and 2016 with the Bengals.

• He spent one game on the Bengals 53 man roster in 2016 which doesn't count against PS eligibility.

• In 2017, he was on the Patriots PS for two weeks and on the Packers PS for one week, his only NFL service that year, which doesn't count against PS eligibility.

• In 2018, he was placed on IR before the start of the season and then activated to the 53 man roster for the last 5 weeks. I am not sure if IR time, which entails full contracted pay and cap cost, counts toward an accrued season, but it doesn't matter in Kumerow's case this year.

In summary, Kumerow has either zero or one accrued seasons, and 2 qualifying PS seasons. He is eligible for the PS for one more year. Of course, you have to cut him first making him a free agent. He could get a better offer elsewhere.