The Jordan Love Thread

[Deleted member 6794]

You expect perfection, got it.

No, I don't expect perfection at all as I understand it's impossible to achieve. But, Gutekunst should have known Rodgers still had some elite football left in him at the point he made the decision to draft Love.

Thats not too far off what I've seen. I think he could have handled Rodgers better, but he's a relatively young GM and Rodgers is a relatively tough one to handle.
I'm not sure if you know, but I had us taking a WR. However, looking back at Brians moves? He doesn't strike me as a GM who misses the dart board on players too often. He had a reason he drafted Love and if he didn't stick to his guns (against fan mutiny) I would not respect him or his leadership.

I have explained it in the past, my dislike of Love's selection has actually nothing to do with the player. In my opinion it was a waste to use that selection on a quarterback, period.

As far as the expenditure of a #26 selection?? This is my balance sheet on that:

Darnell Savage (bonus) + Jordan Love + Kendall Donnerson cost us a #26 overall + #76 overall + 6th rounder (given up to get back to #18 overall) We have to give Brian credit for garnering us (Savage and Donnerson t be fair) for a #76 + 6th rounder in expense

As far as #18 vs #14 overall and the J'aire selection?? That was still an A/A+ selection either way so arguing that point is trivial at best

We never lost a Day 1 pick because we got a bonus in similar draft packaging and used it on Savage and Donnerson. Each move feeds off the next years moves and anyone that doesnt think GM's look past the current season is kidding themselves. Had Brian not moved to achieve that bonus Savage pick in 2019???? We would have NOT drafted a Day 1WR either way! Id argue we would more likely get a Safety instead of Jordan Love. We rarely choose WR when we have desperate need at Defense

The full body of work is what we should judge a GM by, not 1 or 2 singular moves to fit our narratives. B+/A- if Love fails. A+ if he succeeds

Don't get me wrong, Gutekunst did a fantastic job adding another first rounder while selecting Alexander back in the 2018 draft.

It might have been better to spend that pick on a different player than Savage though.

 

[gopkrs]

No, I don't expect perfection at all as I understand it's impossible to achieve. But, Gutekunst should have known Rodgers still had some elite football left in him at the point he made the decision to draft Love.

I was another one who thought that Rodgers was declining. I still think that he does not have the wheels he once had and that might be important. But we will see very soon and I think he will still be very effective. But he'll need to change a little because of the legs. imho

 

[MadScientist]

I was another one who thought that Rodgers was declining. I still think that he does not have the wheels he once had and that might be important. But we will see very soon and I think he will still be very effective. But he'll need to change a little because of the legs. imho

Rodgers was declining by most metrics and by the eye test. His deep ball accuracy was a shadow of what it was before. In that light, picking a QB in the first was reasonable. Rodgers himself agreed he wasn't playing up to his standards and rededicated himself to his conditioning and his craft. The results we know. But would he have had two MVP seasons from Rodgers without the wake up call that was Jordan Love?

 

[Spanky]

But would he have had two MVP seasons from Rodgers without the wake up call that was Jordan Love?

We would not.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I was another one who thought that Rodgers was declining. I still think that he does not have the wheels he once had and that might be important. But we will see very soon and I think he will still be very effective. But he'll need to change a little because of the legs. imho

Rodgers wasn't as mobile over the past two years as he was early in his career. There's no reason to be concerned about it moving forward.

Rodgers was declining by most metrics and by the eye test. His deep ball accuracy was a shadow of what it was before. In that light, picking a QB in the first was reasonable. Rodgers himself agreed he wasn't playing up to his standards and rededicated himself to his conditioning and his craft. The results we know. But would he have had two MVP seasons from Rodgers without the wake up call that was Jordan Love?

I'm absolutely convinced that the Packers drafting Love had nothing to do with Rodgers winning two consecutive MVPs. While he didn't put up elite numbers the previous two seasons before Love was drafted had mostly to do with McCarthy's system having gotten stale and him having to get used to MLF's scheme in his first season in it.

 

[PackAttack12]

How can you comment on leadership and field enegery?

Other points I wont bother woth as that could be very subjective.

But your not in huddle or on field. So dont understand how people claim leadership or energy

I meant strictly in his body language. Of course I can’t comment on what goes on in the huddle. I just would like to see more command on the field.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I hope Jordan Love is terrific. That being said, I find it hilarious when people credit the Love selection for Rodgers winning 2 MVPs. You can believe he'll become a top-3 QB in the NFL to justify that pick but it's frankly ridiculous to imagine Rodgers waking up, seeing the Packers drafted Love, and thinking, "Geez, I better start to actually try at work!"

 

[OldSchool101]

I turned on NFL Network and the preseason KC game was on. It was late 1st half and I made it a point to watch Love closely through the end of the 3rd quarter. I think his footwork looked good. He did seem to throw off one foot when he was running forward to escape pressure and then stop to throw, but backing up looked very smooth. I guess he could put more of his whole body into it when he throws. I bring that up because someone talked about his footwork being bad. I disagree.

He has been much better at manipulating the pass rush via the pocket and not being skittish. The one thing I noticed that carried last season was he would jump on throws, literally. He would lose his footing and how he could throw it that far from the air? that was impressive, but it would sail or be a yard pr two inaccurate and at least one I saw (might've been tipped?) but resulted in an INT. This season? I have not seen even 1 time him doing that, he does better in staying calm and on his feet/toes.

It's really his second live year and he kind of misses some last season. I gauge him by his true 2nd live season (I don't count a paper season for anything but a +) this is about roughly where he should be. Solid overall, but a little rough around the edges in minor areas. J

 

[OldSchool101]

I hope Jordan Love is terrific. That being said, I find it hilarious when people credit the Love selection for Rodgers winning 2 MVPs. You can believe he'll become a top-3 QB in the NFL to justify that pick but it's frankly ridiculous to imagine Rodgers waking up, seeing the Packers drafted Love, and thinking, "Geez, I better start to actually try at work!"

I can't speak to Rodgers, but every employee I've ever hired worked harder when I brought in competition. I just know that firsthand.
You can believe what you want, but I know it helped some, maybe not the only factor, but it absolutely, positively helped. Especially with a QB who was furious about the draft and wanting to prove his regression was an anomaly.

 

[longtimefan]

I can't speak to Rodgers, but every employee I've ever hired worked harder when I brought in competition. I just know that firsthand.
You can believe what you want, but I know it helped some, maybe not the only factor, but it absolutely, positively helped. Especially with a QB who was furious about the draft and wanting to prove his regression was an anomaly.

I think it was subconscious

 

[OldSchool101]

I think it was subconscious

or it just pissed him off

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I can't speak to Rodgers, but every employee I've ever hired worked harder when I brought in competition. I just know that firsthand.
You can believe what you want, but I know it helped some, maybe not the only factor, but it absolutely, positively helped. Especially with a QB who was furious about the draft and wanting to prove his regression was an anomaly.

I'm not trying to denigrate anyone with this, I'm speaking of myself here as well, but I don't think the motivations of the guy who is the best in the world at his job can be compared to the motivations of the regular employee in any other job. Rodgers is better at his job than anyone on this board is at theirs (unless someone on this board is the best in the world at their profession in which case I apologize) and that doesn't happen because a guy needs to be pushed by a rookie.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He has been much better at manipulating the pass rush via the pocket and not being skittish.

What pass rush are you talking about??? All teams play vanilla schemes mostly using backups during the preseason.

You can believe what you want, but I know it helped some, maybe not the only factor, but it absolutely, positively helped.

How do you know for a fact??? You're guessing like everybody else but Rodgers' career strongly indicates he was working as hard as possible long before Love was selected.

 

[red4tribe]

To me, it's too early to determine whether the Love pick was right or wrong. We won't know for at least a few years, because it all depends on how he looks when (or possibly if) he becomes the starter. If he becomes a franchise QB, then it was a good pick. If he doesn't, then it was a huge waste. Of course, there is the possibility that Rodgers continues to play through Love's rookie contract, in which case Love might never start for us.

Love is still very young and a lot could change, but I haven't been overly encouraged by the early signs. He continues to make poor decisions and his accuracy has been inconsistent at best. That doesn't mean he can't or won't develop further though.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm not trying to denigrate anyone with this, I'm speaking of myself here as well, but I don't think the motivations of the guy who is the best in the world at his job can be compared to the motivations of the regular employee in any other job. Rodgers is better at his job than anyone on this board is at theirs (unless someone on this board is the best in the world at their profession in which case I apologize) and that doesn't happen because a guy needs to be pushed by a rookie.

I think it's even moreso with Rodgers. Its the most competitive personality types that take it personal. If only bottles of Scotch could talk

 

[OldSchool101]

How do you know for a fact??? You're guessing like everybody else but Rodgers' career strongly indicates he was working as hard as possible long before Love was selected.

Because time and time again, I've watched production increase with increased competition, so theres no guess work in something I've lived around. See how Rodger's production changes markedly after that selection, #12 was mad as a hornet. If you did not know that then you don't drink Scotch! (nor should you it's a lonely path!)

As for guessing? Isn't that basically like 75% of this forum? Guessing is the NEW Nitpicking, get with the program!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Because time and time again, I've watched production increase with increased competition, so theres no guess work in something I've lived around. See how Rodger's production changes markedly after that selection, #12 was mad as a hornet. If you did not know that then you don't drink Scotch! (nor should you it's a lonely path!)

As for guessing? Isn't that basically like 75% of this forum? Should we shut her down because you are offended?

I mean, why is it not more accurate to point out that QB's commonly struggle in the first year under a new offensive coordinator/coach and then see a BIG jump in their second season? MM was fired because his offense scheme was terrible. So it seems far more likely that he struggled because, A) his prior coach didn't know how to coach a modern offense and B) it takes time to become proficient in a brand new offense with MANY new concepts and scheme changes. Also, if his performance improved because of the Love pick, then why did it also improve last season? I mean, if he needs a rookie to push him, he didn't have one last season; he should have actually tried hard two years ago and then relaxed last season, right?

Many factors go into player production and not all of them have to be soap-opera BS.

 

[OldSchool101]

I mean, why is it not more accurate to point out that QB's commonly struggle in the first year under a new offensive coordinator/coach and then see a BIG jump in their second season? MM was fired because his offense scheme was terrible. So it seems far more likely that he struggled because, A) his prior coach didn't know how to coach a modern offense and B) it takes time to become proficient in a brand new offense with MANY new concepts and scheme changes. Also, if his performance improved because of the Love pick, then why did it also improve last season? I mean, if he needs a rookie to push him, he didn't have one last season; he should have actually tried hard two years ago and then relaxed last season, right?

Many factors go into player production and not all of them have to be soap-opera BS.

I never said drafting Jordan was the ONLY factor in putting some fire under #12. I said it was "A" factor. As for Soap-Opera BS? Look at our QB he's basically been the epitome of that stuff, so it all fits like a glove. If the glove fits you can't acquit!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I never said drafting Jordan was the only factor. I said it was A factor

So is what hand lotion Rodgers uses; my point isn't to go into EVERY factor that affects Rodgers' performance, it's just funny that some people (not pointing at you) try to use Rodger's performance as a reason the Packers were wise to give up a Super Bowl to draft a backup QB.

 

[OldSchool101]

So is what hand lotion Rodgers uses; my point isn't to go into EVERY factor that affects Rodgers' performance, it's just funny that some people (not pointing at you) try to use Rodger's performance as a reason the Packers were wise to give up a Super Bowl to draft a backup QB.

Oh thats not me. I never said that nor do I believe that. I wanted a WR also. I just don't think the overall impact was a dramatic as we are making it out to be. We don't even know that we would've picked at WR even then, maybe in Round 4?

What hand lotion does #12 use and then I'll believe you. No more guessing

 

[longtimefan]

or it just pissed him off

I dont think it motivated him but I think he knew he had issues with accuracy..

Because time and time again, I've watched production increase with increased competition, so theres no guess work in something I've lived around. See how Rodger's production changes markedly after that selection, #12 was mad as a hornet. If you did not know that then you don't drink Scotch! (nor should you it's a lonely path!)

As for guessing? Isn't that basically like 75% of this forum? Guessing is the NEW Nitpicking, get with the program!

Davante doesnt think it motivated him.

But Rodgers had a quote
"My sincere desire to start and finish with the same organization, just as it has with many other players over the years, may not be a reality at this point."

He also said in same quote? Something are out of his control.

Something like controllables he said.

He knew then he might be traded, or released. That cant be misunderstood at all..pretty black and white.

With that said. i think he was feeling like I have to focus on what I can control which is his ability. Thats why he focused on new work outs and new tape study.

So the Love pick wasnt really motivation..but the events that lead up to that and the actual pick got his mind thinking.

 

[longtimefan]

Oh thats not me. I never said that nor do I believe that. I wanted a WR also. I just don't think the overall impact was a dramatic as we are making it out to be. We don't even know that we would've picked at WR even then, maybe in Round 4?

What hand lotion does #12 use and then I'll believe you. No more guessing

There are always things behind the scenes we arent aware of.

They targeted 2 wr.. When they didnt work out they werent happy with any other wr to go that high.

Funny didnt they try to get Aiyuk this year?

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[OldSchool101]

There are always things behind the scenes we arent aware of.

They targeted 2 wr.. When they didnt work out they werent happy with any other wr to go that high.

Funny didnt they try to get Aiyuk this year?

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[OldSchool101]

Yeah, so Brian had been more than sniffing at WR there, it's not like he was on a war path to make Rodgers mad. Would I have selected Love? No However, I respect a guy who sticks to his guns as long as the big picture makes sense. Was I surprised? Absolutely and who wasn't?

 

[longtimefan]

Yeah, so Brian had been more than sniffing at WR there, it's not like he was on a war path to make Rodgers mad. Would I have selected Love? No However, I respect a guy who sticks to his guns as long as the big picture makes sense. Was I surprised? Absolutely and who wasn't?

Gute and MLF lol