The Jordan Love Thread

[Sunshinepacker]

While the Packers need to make a decision on whether to exercise the fifth year option on Love he will count only $3.9 million towards the cap in 2023.

Yup, my bad, read the table wrong.

 

[OldSchool101]

The majority of Packer fans are spoiled. They haven't seen the years of bad QBs that were under center in GB, prior to Majik. There were a few who were decent, but had nothing that represented a good team around them, so not even they had a chance to shine.

Over the last... what???..... 25+ years???.... We have been blessed with having Hall of Fame QBs on the field. Therefore, it doesn't really matter too much who is in line to get the job, they're probably never going to perform at that same level. Yet, rest assured, there are those who will throw them under the bus, even if they do rise to 90% or so, of that level, and be border line HOF material.

How good is Love? We don't know. We won't, until we see him play an extended period of time. Face it! All we're doing is guessing how good he'll be, on the basis of how he does playing with below-starter-level players, against the same, in the preseason. What we see in practice? Means nothing. What the coaches see in practice is different. They see what they're either creating, or trying to create.

My wife and I attended the Packer Shareholder meeting the year that Rodgers was handed the ball. The signs, and the people screaming for the heads of everyone in management was amazing. I kept a sign as a memory of that day. A reminder of just how wrong fans can be, when they go on a witch hunt ovre something they don't even have a clue as to what they're doing.

Me? I've decided, from that one day alone, that I'll wait to see just how good Love does, as the Packer QB, when it happens. I'm not going down that rabbit hole with fans who would prefer throwing him under the bus.

Im going to hazard a guess here. GB will have a relative QB competition once #12 is gone. so I think it’s a little bit naïve for many people (not you) in here to just think that Jordan love is the only quarterback that will ever have a try in Green Bay. That’s what they act like though. He’s 1 avenue and he cost 1 minor later Day 1 selection which is relatively a cheap shot at a replacement opportunity at QB.
If we have a bad season under Love, expect a pretty fast change up pitch towards a top 10 overall selection next time. I’m not too worried about Love because he’s only 1 of many solutions and we will know much more before we have to make a decision. We’re all acting like he’s the only QB the Packers will ever consider, which is just bordering ridiculous

Not all QB’s just magically become HOF types. But it’s sure nice to have one in the system that’s plug n play while you’re looking

 

[longtimefan]

Im going to hazard a guess here. GB will have a relative QB competition once #12 is gone. so I think it’s a little bit naïve for many people (not you) in here to just think that Jordan love is the only quarterback that will ever have a try in Green Bay. That’s what they act like though. He’s 1 avenue and he cost 1 minor later Day 1 selection which is relatively a cheap shot at a replacement opportunity at QB.
If we have a bad season under Love, expect a pretty fast change up pitch towards a top 10 overall selection next time. I’m not too worried about Love because he’s only 1 of many solutions and we will know much more before we have to make a decision. We’re all acting like he’s the only QB the Packers will ever consider, which is just bordering ridiculous

Not all QB’s just magically become HOF types. But it’s sure nice to have one in the system that’s plug n play while you’re looking

Right now he is the back up..

In the future that could change no doubt

 

[OldSchool101]

Right now he is the back up..

In the future that could change no doubt

Yes.
As a backup , he’ll have a decent Run game and Defense to round things out. I also feel like he won’t have a 10.5% drop rate when starters are on the field like I just read he’s dealt with. That’s roughly 2-3 passes dropped each game he played which needs to stop. Granted, he’s had several poor throws in between also, so I’m not letting him off the hook completely. However that’s even more reason for his Receivers to secure the ball properly.

He’s a guy that absolutely can move the ball and give his team a Chance to win some games once he settles in. Any fan using KC as a template of Love’s ability (his first Live season just 3 quarters of live action in Preseason) has already made up their minds imo.

My best guess is Jordan should improve slightly as Clements works on him this season and next camp. Slightly is all he needs to earn a shot at a starting role here or somewhere else.

 

[Team Ronny]

Aaron was Rodgers was 6-10 in his first full season as starter. Love has played in 6 games. He has shown improvement. Bringing Tom Clements back was probably more for his benefit. He should improve even more with Clements coaching him up.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't think Rodgers is any more talented than Love. In fact I think Love might be more so.

While I'm not suggesting that you're wrong about it that's still a pretty bold statement.

so I think it’s a little bit naïve for many people (not you) in here to just think that Jordan love is the only quarterback that will ever have a try in Green Bay. That’s what they act like though. He’s 1 avenue and he cost 1 minor later Day 1 selection which is relatively a cheap shot at a replacement opportunity at QB.

I'm sorry but a first round pick, even one late in the round, isn't a minor investment in a player. Especially with the team coming off making it to the NFCCG and a lack of cap space to make moves in free agency.

Aaron was Rodgers was 6-10 in his first full season as starter.

As I have posted countless times, the Packers ranked fifth in points scored during Rodgers' first year as a starter. It wasn't his fault the team only won six games that season.

 

[Voyageur]

The 6-10 record in Rodgers first year as #1 QB was not really of his making. He had a 93+ QBR, which would have been above average for the league. He also may have made some early career mistakes. But the main reason for the record was the cast of players around him.

If he had one of his better years at QB, as far as QBR, they may have added a couple of wins, but that would have been about it.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm sorry but a first round pick, even one late in the round, isn't a minor investment in a player.

I didn’t say “a player”. I said “at QB” big difference.

If you go looking for “starting QB’s” in most drafts that are Round 2 and beyond, expect to be disappointed a lot more than successful.

 

[Spanky]

I didn’t say “a player”. I said “at QB” big difference.

If you go looking for “starting QB’s” in most drafts that are Round 2 and beyond, expect to be disappointed a lot more than successful.

Expect to be disappointed more times than not when picking a QB in the 1st round as well. It's an incredibly difficult position to get right even for the so-called "elite" QB's.

Just look at Carolina--they're circling the toilet bowl with 2018's 1st (Mayfield) and 3rd (Darnold) overall picks on the roster. And if they had wanted to they could have added the 10th overall pick in that draft (Josh Rosen) as a third string QB for the cost of a bag of peanuts.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I didn’t say “a player”. I said “at QB” big difference.

If you go looking for “starting QB’s” in most drafts that are Round 2 and beyond, expect to be disappointed a lot more than successful.

A first round pick is a huge investment for a quarterback as well. Especially if you have an elite one on the roster.

 

[Voyageur]

The history of the NFL is littered with the number of 1st round QBs who never lived up to the expectations. But, there's still a reason that teams go after them early. Sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle.

 

[Schultz]

Expect to be disappointed more times than not when picking a QB in the 1st round as well. It's an incredibly difficult position to get right even for the so-called "elite" QB's.

Just look at Carolina--they're circling the toilet bowl with 2018's 1st (Mayfield) and 3rd (Darnold) overall picks on the roster. And if they had wanted to they could have added the 10th overall pick in that draft (Josh Rosen) as a third string QB for the cost of a bag of peanuts.

Large or small bag? Salted or unsalted?

 

[OldSchool101]

A first round pick is a huge investment for a quarterback as well. Especially if you have an elite one on the roster.

Expect to be disappointed more times than not when picking a QB in the 1st round as well. It's an incredibly difficult position to get right even for the so-called "elite" QB's.

Just look at Carolina--they're circling the toilet bowl with 2018's 1st (Mayfield) and 3rd (Darnold) overall picks on the roster. And if they had wanted to they could have added the 10th overall pick in that draft (Josh Rosen) as a third string QB for the cost of a bag of peanuts.

Thats kinda the point that I was making. A #26 overall draft selection and $3.4 annual to go after what you deem as a potential starting QB is like accidentally dropping a bag of unsalted peanuts (thanks Schultz). Would you turn back around and go search the parking lot. Let the peanuts go, maybe a squirrel will find a .. bag of...

 

[Spanky]

Large or small bag? Salted or unsalted?

Unsalted peanuts are the Devil's work.

 

[Poppa San]

Unsalted peanuts are the Devil's work.

Nowhere near as bad as boiled peanuts. Salted or not, they are disgusting.

 

[longtimefan]

Nowhere near as bad as boiled peanuts. Salted or not, they are disgusting.

Correct

 

[PackAttack12]

Love still has accuracy problems on a consistent basis. He seems to be confused by mostly basic, vanilla preseason schemes at times. His decision making is sub par. He’s slightly quick to bolt the pocket if he doesn’t see something he likes. His eye discipline hasn’t improved much. And his on field energy just doesn’t seem to be there. His command as a leader on the field isn’t up to par either.

On the plus side, his pocket awareness and comfort has improved. And he’s more than capable of making spectacular plays. His talent is undeniable.

Now...if I’m a hater for pointing these things out, I guess label me a hater. But he’s done very little to sway me in the thought of “eventual successor to Rodgers”

Meanwhile you’ve got Kenny Pickett slicing and dicing in his first NFL preseason.

 

[OldSchool101]

Love still has accuracy problems on a consistent basis. He seems to be confused by mostly basic, vanilla preseason schemes at times. His decision making is sub par. He’s slightly quick to bolt the pocket if he doesn’t see something he likes. His eye discipline hasn’t improved much. And his on field energy just doesn’t seem to be there. His command as a leader on the field isn’t up to par either.

On the plus side, his pocket awareness and comfort has improved. And he’s more than capable of making spectacular plays. His talent is undeniable.

Now...if I’m a hater for pointing these things out, I guess label me a hater. But he’s done very little to sway me in the thought of “eventual successor to Rodgers”

Meanwhile you’ve got Kenny Pickett slicing and dicing in his first NFL preseason.

You picked a QB that was a 5th Year Senior and started the whole time. He also broke Dan Marinos passing records with over 12,000+ and 81 TD in college. He also slid slightly and was off projected to go earlier in the draft, but the Run at other positions pushed him. Wasn’t he the first QB drafted? Just fyi his ceiling is Andy Dalton. He’s 75% at <10 yards and 32% at >20 yards. All he can do is slice and dice. But that doesn’t carry you but so far in the league, which is why he slid also.

We don’t need to be comparing Love to the polar opposite. A highly successful QB in the shortgame and highly inconsistent on the long pass.

Is Love improving or not?
Aaron Rodgers seems to think he’s gotten much better. He just said recently Jordan is a “Master of the Offense” needing work on smaller things such as play fakes and footwork and similar. Is Aaron Rodgers wrong? No disrespect to you, but he’s one of the best to play the game.

 

[longtimefan]

Love still has accuracy problems on a consistent basis. He seems to be confused by mostly basic, vanilla preseason schemes at times. His decision making is sub par. He’s slightly quick to bolt the pocket if he doesn’t see something he likes. His eye discipline hasn’t improved much. And his on field energy just doesn’t seem to be there. His command as a leader on the field isn’t up to par either.

On the plus side, his pocket awareness and comfort has improved. And he’s more than capable of making spectacular plays. His talent is undeniable.

Now...if I’m a hater for pointing these things out, I guess label me a hater. But he’s done very little to sway me in the thought of “eventual successor to Rodgers”

Meanwhile you’ve got Kenny Pickett slicing and dicing in his first NFL preseason.

How can you comment on leadership and field enegery?

Other points I wont bother woth as that could be very subjective.

But your not in huddle or on field. So dont understand how people claim leadership or energy

 

[OldSchool101]

How can you comment on leadership and field enegery?

Other points I wont bother woth as that could be very subjective.

But your not in huddle or on field. So dont understand how people claim leadership or energy

Exactly. Multiple players have said how much Love has grabbed the reigns. He absolutely has work to do cleaning several aspects of his game up. But past that he’s progressing.

I really think Clements is helping.

 

[gopkrs]

I don't have a handle on Love yet. I think he threw the ball really well when he let it go. I was worried about his arm but it looks strong. None of the starting receivers or backs were playing. I definitely would not write him off, nor trade him nor use a 1st round pick on another QB. It is a tough situation. So much depends on ARod. And to me, Aaron look "all in."

 

[Pkrjones]

Love still has accuracy problems on a consistent basis.

Meanwhile you’ve got Kenny Pickett slicing and dicing in his first NFL preseason.

Jordan Love is 5 months YOUNGER than Kenny Pickett!! I'll take Love with 3+ years of NFL coaching over 24 year old rookie any day.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Jordan Love is 5 months YOUNGER than Kenny Pickett!! I'll take Love with 3+ years of NFL coaching over 24 year old rookie any day.

This makes sense when you really think about it lol!

 

[Spanky]

Jordan Love is 5 months YOUNGER than Kenny Pickett!! I'll take Love with 3+ years of NFL coaching over 24 year old rookie any day.

And if Gutey called the Steelers and offered to trade Love for Pickett straight up he'd hear laughter and then the phone hanging up.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Thats kinda the point that I was making. A #26 overall draft selection and $3.4 annual to go after what you deem as a potential starting QB is like accidentally dropping a bag of unsalted peanuts (thanks Schultz). Would you turn back around and go search the parking lot. Let the peanuts go, maybe a squirrel will find a .. bag of...

Aside of free agency (with the Packers not having a lot of money to spend in the 2020 offseason) a first round pick is the most precious capital to improve a team. It doesn't make a lot of sense to spend it on a player who will most likely never have an impact for all of his rookie deal while pissing off your franchise quarterback in the process.