The Free Agency Thread

[Deleted member 6794]

All he's saying is the Rams are this year's off-season champs and I can't remember the last time that a team that held that title won a SB not to mention if Goff regresses all these moves don't mean nearly as much. That's if they can all actually mesh. There' ALOT of moving parts there.

The Vikings pretty much made a lateral move going from Keenum to Cousins. Sure Cousins is more the sure thing to be good again this comming year but compared to last year's Keenum it's kind of a wash.

And oh no it's not like we've seen SB hangovers year after year after year.

If Rodgers never goes down last year this team finishes 12-4/13-3 and are right there at the end also. They've added pieces just like other teams have and will continue to do so through the draft. Whether those pieces produce is why they play the season.

But if you'd rather play the "doom n gloom" card before the draft even takes place be my guest

There's no doubt the Rams made some impressive moves to upgrade their defense this offseason. You're right that it doesn't automatically translate to success on the field though. In my opinion the Packers have to upgrade their pass rush as well as their secondary over the course of this offseason to be considered legitimate contenders.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

There's no doubt the Rams made some impressive moves to upgrade their defense this offseason. You're right that it doesn't automatically translate to success on the field though. In my opinion the Packers have to upgrade their pass rush as well as their secondary over the course of this offseason to be considered legitimate contenders.

The Rams still have Jared Goff on a rookie contract for a couple of more seasons, so they've decided the time to go "all in" now......Sometimes that works (2015 Broncos), and sometimes that doesn't (2011 Eagles). On paper, at least, the 2018 Rams are formidable.....

 

[Half Empty]

The Packers can't afford to trade Perry as the team doesn't have any quality depth at edge rusher.

Isn't the $19+ mil dead cap for Perry an issue, too?

 

[McKnowledge]

If Cobb produces at an elite level, that means that Adams and Graham won’t. The truth is, yards and TD’s are a finite statistic. Not everyone will put up elite production numbers. They all need to fit well in the offensive scheme and contribute when called upon.

Not necessarily. Each offensive receiving role includes a "pecking order", which can have expected levels of production. From the expected production there are numbers for elite production. If indeed Cobb is the slot receiver, then the number of TDs doesn't need to be in the double digits. Adams, as the NO.1 receiver not only is expected to surpass 1,000 yds receiving, due to a yards per catch averaging 15-20 yds, but Adams must also get at least 10 TDs for the season. That is the expected elite production of a No. 1 WR. An elite WR2 should produce 800-1,000 yds, 10-15 ypc, and 7-10 TDs. Slot receiver, Randall Cobb's expected role, should average 8-12 ypc, 700-800 yds, and anywhere from 5-8 TDs on the season to play at an elite level. He has not only done this before, but surpassed expectations of an elite slot receiver. Jimmy Graham, a glorified WR2, positioned as TE, should achieve the numbers of a WR2. All three can put up elite numbers because McCarthy's offensive system clearly averages more pass than run plays, and Aaron Rodgers is more than capable of throwing for over 4,000 yds on the season.

 

[McKnowledge]

Isn't the $19+ mil dead cap for Perry an issue, too?

Green Bay should've never re-signed him.

 

[Poppa San]

I am not forgetting that at all. Dumping Perry to the Giants sheds 10+M off the books. We still have money to play with in the cap and you can factor in signing bonus's and what not. 2018 really wouldn't be much a problem at all. And for future purposes we have all the options for cap we want.

C'mon people, step up your game!
2 pages of "trade Perry for OBJ" and no one bothers to check the cap hit for trading Perry?

Isn't the $19+ mil dead cap for Perry an issue, too?

Finally someone paying attention. His current cap hit is $10,750,000. Don't know your # source, but I found it HERE as a net loss of $4million +. So we'd be out another mid tier vet's salary cap hit just to get rid of Perry and we just gave him almost $5m to be here. And that is before you pay someone to replace him.

 

[Half Empty]

C'mon people, step up your game!
2 pages of "trade Perry for OBJ" and no one bothers to check the cap hit for trading Perry?

Finally someone paying attention. His current cap hit is $10,750,000. Don't know your # source, but I found it HERE as a net loss of $4million +. So we'd be out another mid tier vet's salary cap hit just to get rid of Perry and we just gave him almost $5m to be here. And that is before you pay someone to replace him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/nick-perry-9838/ has the same cap hit. However, they also (apparently) include the roster bonus (a little different on the two sites) in the dead cap since we're far enough into the 2018 league year that it's been paid. Not enough of a capologist to be sure, but the dead cap is AT LEAST as much as you indicate, and perhaps almost $5 mil more.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Isn't the $19+ mil dead cap for Perry an issue, too?

[This has been edited to correct a brain fart in the original.]

Good point. The Packers are on the hook for $14.8 mil in dead cap from the balance of his prorated signing bonus in the event of a trade. The "official" cap loss is about $4 million because of other obligations due this year in salary and bonus currently counted against the cap.

One thing I'm not clear on. The Packers just paid Perry $4.9 mil in cash money as his 2018 roster bonus on the 4th. day of the league year. Are the Packers on the hook for that as dead cap in the event of trade, bringing the total dead cap to about $9 mil?

I think so under the guiding principle of the CBA: once you pay someboy cash money it will count against your cap sooner or later.

 

[HardRightEdge]

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/nick-perry-9838/ has the same cap hit. However, they also (apparently) include the roster bonus (a little different on the two sites) in the dead cap since we're far enough into the 2018 league year that it's been paid. Not enough of a capologist to be sure, but the dead cap is AT LEAST as much as you indicate, and perhaps almost $5 mil more.

That looks right. $9 mil dead cap in a trade.

Apply the Williams contract, subtract that $9 mil from the cap, subtract Beckhams $8.5 mil 5th. year option from the cap, and the cap space goes negative by a few million. Somebody(s) would have to be cut to clear space. And that's only for the top 51, before all of the other necessary subtractions before the start of the season.

And then you've created another hole on defense, assumed the risk on Beckam's injury and mental issues, and even if he's healthy, and straightens out his act (LOL) you could be looking at a one year rent-a-player.

Can we stick a fork in this conjecture?

 

[HardRightEdge]

resign brooks or someone else, draft one at 14.

Brooks played through back issues when he could and didn't when he couldn't. I don't think bringing him back is anywhere on the radar.

The Packers got a lot of value out of Jahri Evans on that $2.25 mil one year deal. Given the question marks on the right side of the line, a reprise would be sensible if only for depth had he not missed the last 2 games with a knee injury. That injury is probably a deal breaker if it was ever considered at all.

 

[swhitset]

Posting it here, because the Marty B thread was shut down.....

Looks like he is hanging up the cleats. One year too late in my book.

Martellus Bennett‏Verified account @MartysaurusRex
I’ve decided to move on from the world of football and into the fantastical and wondrous world of creativity. I’m beginning what I believe to be my life’s work @ImaginationAgcy

glad he's done .... no use for that guy.... too bad you had to bury the info in this thread.... ridiculous the thread was closed Imo.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Just putting this out there but TE Clive Walford, former 3rd round pick, expected to be released by Raiders. Guy is really young (drafted in 2015) and athletic; at 6'4" and 250lbs ran the 40 in 4.79 seconds, 35" vert jump, and, in 2016, was PFF's top-rated pass blocking TE (minimum 100 pass block snaps). That last part is actually pretty impressive and important on a team with Rodgers.

 

[HardRightEdge]

glad he's done .... no use for that guy.... too bad you had to bury the info in this thread.... ridiculous the thread was closed Imo.

Agreed.

With Bennett retiring, any recourse through the league in clawing back the signing bonus money is dead.

To pry that money out of Bennett's bank account would now require the Packers to pursue the matter in civil court. I don't think that's going to happen. And even they got the cash back, would the league give back the cap? Dunno.

 

[sschind]

I just called the Giants and told them Hundley has to be part of the deal, they are considering it.

I thought that would get a big "if that's the case forget about it" from them.

 

[GleefulGary]

Just putting this out there but TE Clive Walford, former 3rd round pick, expected to be released by Raiders. Guy is really young (drafted in 2015) and athletic; at 6'4" and 250lbs ran the 40 in 4.79 seconds, 35" vert jump, and, in 2016, was PFF's top-rated pass blocking TE (minimum 100 pass block snaps). That last part is actually pretty impressive and important on a team with Rodgers.

Bring me all the Miami players.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Isn't the $19+ mil dead cap for Perry an issue, too?

Absolutely. Another reason why there's no chance the Packers are trading Perry.

Just putting this out there but TE Clive Walford, former 3rd round pick, expected to be released by Raiders. Guy is really young (drafted in 2015) and athletic; at 6'4" and 250lbs ran the 40 in 4.79 seconds, 35" vert jump, and, in 2016, was PFF's top-rated pass blocking TE (minimum 100 pass block snaps). That last part is actually pretty impressive and important on a team with Rodgers.

I guess the Packers aren't interested in signing another free agent tight end.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I guess the Packers aren't interested in signing another free agent tight end.

TE to me is about the last position I see needing to sign another FA, draft one to develop, but Graham, Kendricks and Player to be drafted later should be just fine.

 

[hallzi43]

Ya considering Graham and Kendricks are pretty much pure receiving TE's finding a blocker on day 3 shouldnt be too much a problem.

 

[gbgary]

Just putting this out there but TE Clive Walford, former 3rd round pick, expected to be released by Raiders. Guy is really young (drafted in 2015) and athletic; at 6'4" and 250lbs ran the 40 in 4.79 seconds, 35" vert jump, and, in 2016, was PFF's top-rated pass blocking TE (minimum 100 pass block snaps). That last part is actually pretty impressive and important on a team with Rodgers.

they do need a 3rd te. he sounds good. it'll probably come out of the draft though since they're strapped...and if they keep kendricks. he was a dud last year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

they do need a 3rd te. he sounds good. it'll probably come out of the draft though since they're strapped...and if they keep kendricks. he was a dud last year.

I'm hoping that Kendricks will have a bigger impact this season. Had Rodgers not been injured, we may have seen him come on stronger towards the end of last season. Cook and Rodgers took awhile to establish chemistry and I think we will see that happening with Graham at the beginning of the season as well.

 

[hallzi43]

Hopefully Graham strays from nagging injuries more than Cook did. That was part of why it took so long for Cook and Rodgers to really connect. Not to mention he suffered injury early in the preseason too so he was slow to really gear into the offense.

Even if Kendricks comes around, which I just don't see happening, we will need a TE that has more of a blocking background. Which there should be a number of them available in the late rounds.

Marcus Baugh, Ryan Izzo, Ethan Wolf, Jordan Thomas, and Will Dissly should be around for guys that would have a nice role in that nature.

 

[Veretax]

On the OBJ issue.

GIants think he's worth 2 first rounders. HELL No! 1 year left on his contract? Head Case? Costs his team at times in games? We don't need that poison in the locker room if you ask me. So Washington just went through this with Cousins. best they can hope for is a 3rd round compensatory pick (depending on compensation factors). You could offer them a 3rd I suppose, I wouldn't go any higher. Not worth it really.

 

[hallzi43]

Pretty sure any team in the league would offer their 3rd round draft choice for one of the leagues top 5 WR's.

 

[swhitset]

Pretty sure any team in the league would offer their 3rd round draft choice for one of the leagues top 5 WR's.

Don't count on that.... he does come with a lot of baggage ... many teams would give it a shot... many won't.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Pretty sure any team in the league would offer their 3rd round draft choice for one of the leagues top 5 WR's.

Give me Julio Jones please. He would be worth a first and a 3rd round. Rodgers might even wet his pants after that trade.