2025 Draft Prospects for Packers

[Heyjoe4]

Gute has never taken a first round prospect without testing...Nolen has avoided it so I'll stick with the trends and say Gute goes Jahdae.....BUT if Nolen tests for them possibly private at this point I 100% believe Nolen is more a Gute type prospect.

I've made it clear how much I love Nolen...I have both ranked well above #23...but there is a MASSIVE piece to this discussion I'd need to know which Gute would know - do we have a one year extension rather than 5th year option worked out with Wyatt??? If yes, Jahdae zero hesitation....if nothing is worked out I sadly likely still go Jahdae but much much tougher to do.

I didn't know Gluten has never taken a rd 1 guy without testing. That makes sense, but it's still an interesting way to gauge where he might go.

And I asked the question because I saw a mock with Barron going to GB at #23 and then Nolen going a few picks later. I recall you were high on Nolen, and other drafts had him going higher as well.

 

[tynimiller]

Andrew Armstrong WR 6'4' 202lbs from Arkansas
Armstrong is a special dude....this is insane, the very little amount of talking about him catches me off guard. He's not just a high RAS guy (9.44 RAS)

Armstrong balled out for Texas A&M-Commerce in 2022 with 1,020 yards on 62 receptions with 13 TDS...and Arkansas got him for the next two:

2023 - 56 Rec / 764 yards / 5 TDs
2024 - 78 Rec / 1,140 yards / 1 TD

This cat is 6 freaking feet and 4 inches tall over 200lbs but is explosive and his wingspan makes him a jump ball king.

I originally had a 6th on him but I'll admit I never did a deep dive for him, and when I finally did recently after deciding to look at Tessla (his teammate) for another time Armstrong caught my eye FAR TOO much to ignore.

I'm no joke bumping him to a fourth and he is a name I truly believe could be a serious producer.

 

[gopkrs]

Must be level of competition. I can't help but wonder if Golden is the next Tyreek Hill. A really good hands receiver that can get open would really impact our O. But I'll be happy with whoever we take at 1 as long as it's not a reach. And yes, I think two years ago was a reach and maybe last year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

@tynimiller Has anyone done a deep dive on Desmond Watson? Maybe he is the guy you want in there to stop the tush push?

Is a 6' 6", 464 pound mountain worth a 7th rounder?

Could he line up at RB and pick up that 1/2 yard?

William "The Refrigerator" Perry's highest recorded playing weight was estimated to be around 382 lbs.

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[tynimiller]

@tynimiller Has anyone done a deep dive on Desmond Watson? Maybe he is the guy you want in there to stop the tush push?

Is a 6' 6", 464 pound mountain worth a 7th rounder?

Could he line up at RB and pick up that 1/2 yard?

William "The Refrigerator" Perry's highest recorded playing weight was estimated to be around 382 lbs.

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So I am a believer in his role as that center plugger and personally would take a flyer on Day3 late if we hadn't gotten a NT type option.

My hope would be imagine him and his movement skills at this heavy what they could be like if he got to 410/400lbs???!!!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

My hope would be imagine him and his movement skills at this heavy what they could be like if he got to 410/400lbs???!!!

Agree. Obviously, the big question would be "Can he lose weight?" Sounds like he has done nothing but gain weight since coming to Florida. I also have to wonder about his body and if it can hold up and/or how it will heal after an injury. That is a lot of weight to put on the human body and then have it pounded all the time playing football.

On that clip I posted, the first sight of him is jaw dropping impressive. It looks like he is picking up a rag doll (running back) and just laying it down.

 

[Magooch]

I would really love to see us take a flyer on the guy... Gonna be honest, didn't watch video (at work ) but watched him with Florida a fair bit this season.
For his size, dude is freakishly athletic.
He did 36 reps on bench which I think would be best at the combine this year...
Had a vertical of 25" which is of course... not great. BUT for some context, for instance you could take Alfred Collins who is a highly rated DT prospect (I am seeing perhaps 2nd-3rd round?) He weighs about 130lbs less than Watson (330lb) and his vert was only 26".
As a sophomore he had a bench max of 520lb and squad of 720lb...

And in hearing him talk he is definitely aware his weight is also an issue. He says he's really trying to put in work to get it down but admits it's a big struggle (and probably will be for the future too). I don't know the guy but I think he would agree (and has more or less said as much) he just deals with food addiction in the same way others deal with drugs, gambling, alcohol, etc. So that's a big hurdle to get over. But I like to think if you could get him on an NFL roster and very carefully monitor/control intake to get that under control, you might really have something...

(But, then again, it's also not like a school like Florida is lacking for resources when it comes to training/nutrition/etc. It was offered, just not really taken advantage of. But maybe if there are some financial motivators tied to it, things might be different...)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

But maybe if there are some financial motivators tied to it, things might be different...)

So a commercial deal with Taco Bell or Burger King?

I think he will get a chance with at least 1 team and I hope he makes the best out of it. I got news for you, if the Packers draft/UDFA sign him, he won't be hard to spot in Green Bay. I also think that might help him with his eating addiction. It might take a whole village to support him (no pun intended) and be fully behind him.

 

[Magooch]

And practically speaking, there are considerably less dining options in Green Bay than in bigger cities

 

[OldSchool101]

If nothing else it’s thought provoking. Will there be a formula to eventually stopping that goal line situation that involves keeping 1-2 guys on a roster who specialize in penetrating the interior?
Realistically you pull a guy like that up from PS for several weeks at key season intervals or playoffs etc. Maybe have a jumbo package where it’s like Teams. Those guys get a signal and you put him and your strongest anchor at OL in that package also. Then behind them a couple guys are are 270+ that push them forward from behind. Outside you keep your 240+ LB’s paired and blitz a bigger, faster DB on 1 side in case they try to bounce out the wrong direction or play fake into a pass there’s heat from multiple angles.

Him by himself isn’t necessarily the answer, but him in a Sumo package? absolutely!

Also if the league is going to allow the rush toosh push, I think they need to lighten up on the neutral zone ruling imo. If a Defenders hand is within 1/2 yard of that LOS on anything <2 yards? let them play ball and let’s quit the ballerina flags. Quit the playing favorites towards O

 

[gopkrs]

I guess the opposing offense would try and keep him on the field until The Pack called a time out

 

[OldSchool101]

I guess the opposing offense would try and keep him on the field until The Pack called a time out

Sure. Not if the 4th down didn’t convert though so the idea here is to stop the play
Plus there are ways to delay a game for 3 seconds that are fully within the rules post conversion. Generally conversions aren’t hurry post play on a toosh push. Moreso a heap of guys on a pile

Keeping him off the field might be a bigger issue.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Andrew Armstrong WR 6'4' 202lbs from Arkansas
Armstrong is a special dude....this is insane, the very little amount of talking about him catches me off guard. He's not just a high RAS guy (9.44 RAS)

Armstrong balled out for Texas A&M-Commerce in 2022 with 1,020 yards on 62 receptions with 13 TDS...and Arkansas got him for the next two:

2023 - 56 Rec / 764 yards / 5 TDs
2024 - 78 Rec / 1,140 yards / 1 TD

This cat is 6 freaking feet and 4 inches tall over 200lbs but is explosive and his wingspan makes him a jump ball king.

I originally had a 6th on him but I'll admit I never did a deep dive for him, and when I finally did recently after deciding to look at Tessla (his teammate) for another time Armstrong caught my eye FAR TOO much to ignore.

I'm no joke bumping him to a fourth and he is a name I truly believe could be a serious producer.

This guy surely looks interesting. And it's nice to see an SEC player not from Georgia for the Packers' consideration. (OK that was kind of a cheap shot, but Georgia does feel like the Packers' farm team.)

At least he's been exposed to some very good football players, making his numbers even better.

I think it was the Athletic that predicted a trade between the Packers and Colts to get the Packers to #14 and then drafting McMillan. Problem is, McMillan may very well be gone before 14. I've seen mocks that have him in the top 10, and then mocks that have him falling to GB at #23. (And under this trade the Packers have the same # of picks, just all in round 3 and beyond.). I don't know exactly how this gets done, but I don't believe Gluten would trade down unless he was assured his guy would be there. Again, have no idea if that goes on.

Personally, I'd love to see Gluten go nuts and trade down to get McMillan. And what better place to do it than right in GB.

 

[OldSchool101]

If there was ever a year to do a trade up? 2025 Would be the year.

Now I know it’s not our style, but let’s just say GB threw a 54 of 87 at move up in exchange for a Day3 etc. Might be looking at a Top 16-20 type pick. Obviously I’d only do that if a Top 10 type fell past 15

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wouldn't want to see Gute give up too much in the 1st round to draft a WR. At most, they give up their 1st, 3rd and 6th in exchange for that 1st and a 5th, IF they really love a certain WR.

T-Mac is considered by many to be the #1 WR prospect. Heck, he might not even be in the 1st round conversation if this was a stronger WR draft. I also wasn't a fan of him skipping the combine because "he was already locked in as a top pick". Dude, you aren't Marvin Harrison Jr.

I think Gute can still get a decent WR in round 2 or even 3. There are some really good DL and Edge players in this draft, 2 positions the Packers are probably looking at. Go get em Gute!

 

[Heyjoe4]

If there was ever a year to do a trade up? 2025 Would be the year.

Now I know it’s not our style, but let’s just say GB threw a 54 of 87 at move up in exchange for a Day3 etc. Might be looking at a Top 16-20 type pick. Obviously I’d only do that if a Top 10 type fell past 15

I agree. I think the Athletic had the Packers trading picks with the Colts to get to #14. Now is that high enough to get WR McMillan? Who knows but I'm sure Gluten wouldn't make the move unless he was assured he'd get his guy.

 

[OldSchool101]

My guess is WR will be slightly overvalued. Until that position group cools off in the draft I’m convinced it’ll be a “slight-reach” to “moderate-reach” position. Meaning a guy 20 years ago ranked 40 overall will go at 25 overall area etc. in the current draft. Partly lack of 2025 top end supply, partly positional demand has not cooled yet.

The good news is we are generally successful in RD2-4 at Receiver. So let them reach. It only pushes down CB, Edge, DT, OT into our lap. Everyone wants a great WR, but Hardman and Musgrave in the mix and young guys maturing, I’m totally ok with RD2-4

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree. I think the Athletic had the Packers trading picks with the Colts to get to #14. Now is that high enough to get WR McMillan? Who knows but I'm sure Gluten wouldn't make the move unless he was assured he'd get his guy.

I hope that doesn't happen. To move down that far (#14), Gute would probably have to offer up his 1st and 2nd rounder, or something that close in value. Like I said above, I just don't see T-Mac as being a teams #1 WR. Reminds me a bit of Watson or Keon Coleman (Bills). Not saying he isn't a good WR, just saying he isn't worth moving to far down in the draft to get.

 

[Magooch]

I wouldn't want to see Gute give up too much in the 1st round to draft a WR. At most, they give up their 1st, 3rd and 6th in exchange for that 1st and a 5th, IF they really love a certain WR.

T-Mac is considered by many to be the #1 WR prospect. Heck, he might not even be in the 1st round conversation if this was a stronger WR draft. I also wasn't a fan of him skipping the combine because "he was already locked in as a top pick". Dude, you aren't Marvin Harrison Jr.

I think Gute can still get a decent WR in round 2 or even 3. There are some really good DL and Edge players in this draft, 2 positions the Packers are probably looking at. Go get em Gute!

I quite like McMillan but he seems to be rather a polarizing figure to assess. Most have him as WR1, and PFF for instance has him as the #4 *overall* prospect in the draft (and I think at one point it was #3). That's where the Ringer has him as well. But then the "consensus" big board* has him around #11 overall...
On the flip side though you have guys like Daniel Jeremiah who have him as WR3 behind Golden and Egbuka, and other folks who seem to think he will be available roughly in our pick-range.

Overall I mostly agree with the "consensus" board that pegs him around the low teens range. It might be a little too steep to trade up to that range, but if he slips slightly past there I would not be surprised to make a move up the board a few spots...

When I look at teams who I think really need (or are likely to draft pass-catchers) ahead of us I'm thinking Jets, Panthers, Cowboys, Colts, Chargers off the top of my head... of that bunch IMO Jets would be better served to continue building OL, Panthers have much more pressing need on defense, Colts need a proper TE more than WR, and Chargers could really stand to go defense first and have a big hole at TE as well. Cowboys I think would love to get a top WR across from CeeDee but they also need RB BAD and knowing Jerry it wouldn't surprise me if he got enamored with speed and the idea of drafting a Texas WR in Golden first. SO all that to say I think there is a decent chance he could fall, but then again also a decent chance some team might just go BPA and snag him too.

*a somewhat ironic term as I have seen multiple "consensus big boards," all with differing opinions....

 

[Magooch]

I hope that doesn't happen. To move down that far (#14), Gute would probably have to offer up his 1st and 2nd rounder, or something that close in value. Like I said above, I just don't see T-Mac as being a teams #1 WR. Reminds me a bit of Watson or Keon Coleman (Bills). Not saying he isn't a good WR, just saying he isn't worth moving to far down in the draft to get.

IIRC it was the Packers 1 & 2 for the Colts 1 & 5 which roughly shakes out the same in the "value charts" (Actually, in the Jimmy Johnson model it comes out slightly in our favor: GB 1+2 = 1,120; IND 1+5 = 1,131)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I quite like McMillan but he seems to be rather a polarizing figure to assess. Most have him as WR1, and PFF for instance has him as the #4 *overall* prospect in the draft (and I think at one point it was #3). That's where the Ringer has him as well. But then the "consensus" big board* has him around #11 overall...
On the flip side though you have guys like Daniel Jeremiah who have him as WR3 behind Golden and Egbuka, and other folks who seem to think he will be available roughly in our pick-range.

Overall I mostly agree with the "consensus" board that pegs him around the low teens range. It might be a little too steep to trade up to that range, but if he slips slightly past there I would not be surprised to make a move up the board a few spots...

When I look at teams who I think really need (or are likely to draft pass-catchers) ahead of us I'm thinking Jets, Panthers, Cowboys, Colts, Chargers off the top of my head... of that bunch IMO Jets would be better served to continue building OL, Panthers have much more pressing need on defense, Colts need a proper TE more than WR, and Chargers could really stand to go defense first and have a big hole at TE as well. Cowboys I think would love to get a top WR across from CeeDee but they also need RB BAD and knowing Jerry it wouldn't surprise me if he got enamored with speed and the idea of drafting a Texas WR in Golden first. SO all that to say I think there is a decent chance he could fall, but then again also a decent chance some team might just go BPA and snag him too.

*a somewhat ironic term as I have seen multiple "consensus big boards," all with differing opinions....

I noticed the differing opinions as well. I think that is a reflection of just how weak this WR class is. Maybe I shouldn't say "weak", but nobody that just jumps out as a consensus top 5 pick and an almost lock to be a #1 starter. That creates the situation where analysists are trying to find things in players to make them be that top WR in the draft. I wasn't even going to look at T Mac, since I figured he wouldn't be there when the Packers are on the clock. But I ended up taking a look at him. What I found is a guy that is a bit too over confident, takes plays off and when matched up against good CB's can struggle. I didn't see him blocking a lot, but maybe that is Arizona's style? Good tall receiver, that can go up and get 50/50 balls, decent YAC, but I see him much like I see Watson, kind of a guy that is either hot or cold, not consistent enough for a #1 WR.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

IIRC it was the Packers 1 & 2 for the Colts 1 & 5 which roughly shakes out the same in the "value charts" (Actually, in the Jimmy Johnson model it comes out slightly in our favor: GB 1+2 = 1,120; IND 1+5 = 1,131)

Yeah, I just can't see going into the 3rd round and only having McMillan and an extra 5th to show my accomplishments from the first 2 rounds. I would have rather sat on my #23 and #54 picks and gotten 2 potential starters. No doubt having a great WR on your team is important, I just don't see any in this draft that guarantee you that.

 

[gopkrs]

I would like to stay where we are in the first and 2nd. If one of the 3 receivers is there; I hope we take him. If not; there will be a good player for us. I'll say again that I hope we don't reach.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah, I just can't see going into the 3rd round and only having McMillan and an extra 5th to show my accomplishments from the first 2 rounds. I would have rather sat on my #23 and #54 picks and gotten 2 potential starters. No doubt having a great WR on your team is important, I just don't see any in this draft that guarantee you that.

For myself. I wasn’t even thinking so much WR in a trade up unless it’s a 4th or 3rd 4th pick swap et. or something more reasonable.
I was thinking CB, DL or OT. Mykel Williams, Will Johnson, Kelvin Banks slip into the mid teens and we pounce on someone we think will be a real difference maker year 1

Also just tossing the idea. I trust Gluten he’s pretty effective staying pat. Actually he does his best work in mini trade down or trade down and back up but scooping more picks. That J’aire trade down and up and scooping a Day 1 was brilliance.
If Gute netted a 2025, #30 overall, plus an Early 6th
BUT
gave up a 4th and it netted a 2026 Day1 selection I’m in. Get me 2 Day1’s in 2026 and also then game using a future 2026, 2nd or 3rd rounder to move accordingly where I desire in Day 2

 

[Schultz]

I noticed the differing opinions as well. I think that is a reflection of just how weak this WR class is. Maybe I shouldn't say "weak", but nobody that just jumps out as a consensus top 5 pick and an almost lock to be a #1 starter. That creates the situation where analysists are trying to find things in players to make them be that top WR in the draft. I wasn't even going to look at T Mac, since I figured he wouldn't be there when the Packers are on the clock. But I ended up taking a look at him. What I found is a guy that is a bit too over confident, takes plays off and when matched up against good CB's can struggle. I didn't see him blocking a lot, but maybe that is Arizona's style? Good tall receiver, that can go up and get 50/50 balls, decent YAC, but I see him much like I see Watson, kind of a guy that is either hot or cold, not consistent enough for a #1 WR.

He definitely beat up on lesser teams. Not so much against good ones.