The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

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because we were completely ineffective running the ball. They didn't even have to play the run, the stuffed us anyway. There was zero push the entire game. I think we had 1 decent run by Williams, one wide by Jones. Then we played a half down by 18 to start.
Don’t leave out the run by Dillon where he was met hard at the LOS and dragged the defender/s for a good 6 1/2 yards. I wanted to see more attempts like that right at the middle of the defense with Dillon. I know you are saying the run game was getting nothing.... but I really don’t think they gave it enough chances.
 

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After that play, we'd need a successful 2 pt conversion to tie the game. And after that we have to stop them and get ball back and score again to win the game.

We were far short of 'just one more play' imo.
Agreed... then how about we say one less play. How about we not let King give up 7 free points before the half.
 

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Again, you keep expecting more. 381 yards and 3 TDs against THAT defense should be what ppl expect, ESPECIALLY when the team was missing its 3rd next offensive player for the second half. Anything more is gravy. Would have been great, sure, might have been possible too, but the offense was not what cost the Packers the game.


You are picking and choosing, fact is our offense handed TB 14 points off turnovers. You cannot say its all on the defense and ignore that. The fact is our offense failed to swing the game after our defense produced 3 interceptions. Fact is our offense scored less than its season long average, and that's despite three TOs created by our defense.

If Rodgers doesn't get picked at the half to set up that 40 yard touchdown we might have won the game. If Aaron Jones doesn't fumble and hand them a possession starting with first and goal we might have won the game.

TB has the kind of defense that a historically great offense should manhandle, our historically great offense failed.
 

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The defense redeemed themselves in the second half with 3 picks on 3 straight drives. What more can you ask of them in the second half? The defense gets blamed every year, but they stepped up big time in the second half.

And what does our supposedly great offense, the one that people here say is one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL, do with those turnovers? Go 3 and out on consecutive possessions.

Then the O manages a drive inside the 10 yard line with 1st and goal. One of the greatest offenses in the history of the NFL can't score on 3 tries from the 8 yard line???

After watching a Jones fumble set up TB at our 8 yardline for a subsequent touchdown.

Everyone else: our offense just gift wrapped them a touchdown.

Sunshine: our defense sucks
 

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Don’t leave out the run by Dillon where he was met hard at the LOS and dragged the defender/s for a good 6 1/2 yards. I wanted to see more attempts like that right at the middle of the defense with Dillon. I know you are saying the run game was getting nothing.... but I really don’t think they gave it enough chances.

Yeah its like why not use your most physically gifted and physically powerful runner against a smallish pair of ILBs?

You forgot the part where he Squatted a DB with one leg planted and then carried him on his back for those 6 yards.
 

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You are picking and choosing, fact is our offense handed TB 14 points off turnovers. You cannot say its all on the defense and ignore that. The fact is our offense failed to swing the game after our defense produced 3 interceptions. Fact is our offense scored less than its season long average, and that's despite three TOs created by our defense.

If Rodgers doesn't get picked at the half to set up that 40 yard touchdown we might have won the game. If Aaron Jones doesn't fumble and hand them a possession starting with first and goal we might have won the game.

TB has the kind of defense that a historically great offense should manhandle, our historically great offense failed.
I think context is good here too. That INT, while not great, was the result of a penalty that should have been called, but wasn't. We live with it. you put teams in that situation, any team around the league, and how many give up the 4th down and 3 and then give up the TD with 6 or 8 seconds left? I put that all on the defense.

The Jones fumble was huge. Coming out of the half, it gives them points before we even started. Didn't have to give them a 1 play TD from the 8. Had the defense forced a FG in one of those positions or kept them from scoring at all (end of half) I'd have more sympathy for them.

Our offense was facing a very good D. Everyone thought the Rams were it, I said Tampa was it. and they destroyed our tackles all day long. Made running an offense very difficult, so while definitely not great, put up a good amount of points. But they do share the blame in the loss obviously.
 

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I think Rodgers is getting too much blame. All things considered he played pretty well. We couldn't run the ball and he was under constant pressure. My key going into this game was the o line needed to do a better job. They didn't.
 

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I think Rodgers is getting too much blame. All things considered he played pretty well. We couldn't run the ball and he was under constant pressure. My key going into this game was the o line needed to do a better job. They didn't.
Rodgers shouldn't be getting any blame. pretty much every play we had that was successful took a pretty good effort by our QB. No run game against that defense is a recipe for disaster. The fact we were even in it is a testament to the QB.
 

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I would recommend everyone watch the entire interview. And Frankly, anyone that likes to comment in the Rodgers performance thread should go back and watch all of the Tuesday Mcafee/ Rodgers interviews. They will give a very clear picture of who Rodgers is .... and isn’t.

Yeah I never put much stock in the whole Rodgers wants to leave or might force a trade nonsense.

I think context is good here too. That INT, while not great, was the result of a penalty that should have been called, but wasn't. We live with it. you put teams in that situation, any team around the league, and how many give up the 4th down and 3 and then give up the TD with 6 or 8 seconds left? I put that all on the defense.

The Jones fumble was huge. Coming out of the half, it gives them points before we even started. Didn't have to give them a 1 play TD from the 8. Had the defense forced a FG in one of those positions or kept them from scoring at all (end of half) I'd have more sympathy for them.

Our offense was facing a very good D. Everyone thought the Rams were it, I said Tampa was it. and they destroyed our tackles all day long. Made running an offense very difficult, so while definitely not great, put up a good amount of points. But they do share the blame in the loss obviously.

With coverage that tight Rodgers should not have thrown that pass even if it was the result of PI, also Lazard needs to feel the CB on his back and work back to the ball. It's possible that a more experienced and savvy receiver would have turned that int into a reception. That being said yes Rodgers does deserve a negative grade on that play.

As for the defense, it was an aggressive defensive call but one that could and should have worked. I'm thinking it was Savage who screwed up as well as the deep safety, there was a lot of green in the middle of the field but the deep safety has to be ready for those corner routes. Especially against a deep threat like Godwin. Savage just kind of hung out 10 yards off the LoS covering nothing and I guess spying Tom Brady to you know keep him from scoring with his legs.

I'm not taking the position that the loss is on Rodgers, but he like the rest of the team contributed.
 

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I don' think that defender is in position if he doesn't use Lazard as a slingshot. he was going to be open, but he grabbed the inside of the shoulder pad and used Lazards momentum to change his own.
 

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I don' think that defender is in position if he doesn't use Lazard as a slingshot. he was going to be open, but he grabbed the inside of the shoulder pad and used Lazards momentum to change his own.

The tugs were happening before during and after Lazard made his cut, that one being a sight throw Rodgers should have seen that the CB was in Lazard's hip pocket.
 
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They will give a very clear picture of who Rodgers is .... and isn’t.

He just keeps making leading statements. "Nobody knows the future" isn't something he needs to keep repeating after a loss, if he just meant it at literal face value.
 

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He just keeps making leading statements. "Nobody knows the future" isn't something he needs to keep repeating after a loss, if he just meant it at literal face value.
You need to realize he’s a human being... we all say things ... others interpret them. If you were disappointed in the loss... try and imagine how he was feeling in the moment. He was simply acknowledging that not everything is within his control. If you are expecting the perfect sound bite you aren’t always going to get it, and frankly i’m glad for that. it makes him real.
 
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You need to realize he’s a human being... we all say things ... others interpret them. If you were disappointed in the loss... try and imagine how he was feeling in the moment. He was simply acknowledging that not everything is within his control. If you are expecting the perfect sound bite you aren’t always going to get it, and frankly i’m glad for that. it makes him real.

He's been in the game long enough to know about giving statements. His exact statement was "“A lot of guys futures that are, you know, uncertain, myself included,”. I can understand his context about Jones and Linsley, but there certainly is no practical reason to include himself there when he's just 2 years into a mega contract.

I'm sure he has no intention of leaving, but I'm also sure there are some other factors at play in here.

I understand it's all fluff...but I'm just not convinced that it wasn't intentional.
 

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He's been in the game long enough to know about giving statements. His exact statement was "“A lot of guys futures that are, you know, uncertain, myself included,”. I can understand his context about Jones and Linsley, but there certainly is no practical reason to include himself there when he's just 2 years into a mega contract.

I'm sure he has no intention of leaving, but I'm also sure there are some other factors at play in here.

I understand it's all fluff...but I'm just not convinced that it wasn't intentional.
Of course there are. The team drafted a QB in the first round. He is not oblivious to that fact.
 

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He's been in the game long enough to know about giving statements. His exact statement was "“A lot of guys futures that are, you know, uncertain, myself included,”. I can understand his context about Jones and Linsley, but there certainly is no practical reason to include himself there when he's just 2 years into a mega contract.

I'm sure he has no intention of leaving, but I'm also sure there are some other factors at play in here.

I understand it's all fluff...but I'm just not convinced that it wasn't intentional.

Honestly I dont think football players should have to be as scripted as political leaders(who also shouldnt be subjected to gotcha idiocy) for fear some jack-n-ape might run wild with a statement.

He was probably just emotionally drained, after a heartbreaking loss.

Lazy reporters pushed out stories to acquire click bait and Rodgers clarified what he said.
 

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Honestly I dont think football players should have to be as scripted as political leaders(who also shouldnt be subjected to gotcha idiocy) for fear some jack-n-ape might run wild with a statement.

He was probably just emotionally drained, after a heartbreaking loss.

Lazy reporters pushed out stories to acquire click bait and Rodgers clarified what he said.
Unfortunately there will always be a bunch of reactionaries out there waiting to pounce... they are to be ignored.
 

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Defense should have stopped Tampa in certain situations..
This one argument and I get it.

That is what a defense's job is, to not allow any points, right?


But with that said then this should be the flip side but some dont want to admit it.

The offense didnt have to score more points, they had enough..

But isnt the offense's job to score as much as possible??
 

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Think he's sending a message back? :cool: Imo,he already did that with MVP performance!
I think he was simply hoping to get some reassurance from the team that they are still behind him. I don’t think there was some huge message or even any real forethought in what he said. He was lamenting a disappointment in the abrupt way the season ended, and was simply stating that he was aware that the team makeup will be different next year. He alluded to the fact that he was aware that even he was not immune to the business aspects of building and keeping an NFL team together. That being said, I don’t believe he thinks he will be somewhere else next year.
 
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Talking with a guy at my local watering hole today and he thinks all this talk about how unhappy Rodgers is with the Packers is created by the NFL.

He thinks the NFL is like the mafia and would like nothing more to see Rogers jump the fence to an underrated team with lots of money for a chance to win.

The NFL, he went to say, loves to create news that causes controversy and helps the underrated teams get some winning players, and is in connect with Rodgers all the time.

You heard it here first
 

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He just keeps making leading statements. "Nobody knows the future" isn't something he needs to keep repeating after a loss, if he just meant it at literal face value.
Colin Cowherd (whom I rarely watch anymore) actually had a good point about Aaron today. He said he has no sounding board, he isn't married, doesn't have kids, and apparently doesn't talk much with his family. So maybe it's only natural that he spouts off some of his feelings and vents, where other quarterbacks might just say all the boring right things to the press. But those guys probably take it home and vent there.
 
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