The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Mondio]

The stats show us averaging 4.2 yds/carry yesterday, that's not bad at all.

lots of 0,1, and 2 yard carries. Williams and Jones each had a 12 yarder, dillon had 1 for 9. In the one redzone we we ran from inside the 15 for 1 and zero yards.

We weren't that effective

 

[Sunshinepacker]

lots of 0,1, and 2 yard carries. Williams and Jones each had a 12 yarder, dillon had 1 for 9. In the one redzone we we ran from inside the 15 for 1 and zero yards.

We weren't that effective

The Packers scored 26 against an elite defense. They should have scored a few more but the defense was the issue in this game. Brady got away with awful throws the entire first half. If the Packers had actually added a decent corner in the off-season the Packers would have won that game by 10+.

 

[Mondio]

The Packers scored 26 against an elite defense. They should have scored a few more but the defense was the issue in this game. Brady got away with awful throws the entire first half. If the Packers had actually added a decent corner in the off-season the Packers would have won that game by 10+.

I mentioned that earlier, i'm not disappointed in our offense overall. This was in response as to why we didn't run later in the game.

 

[gbgary]

the offense was as guilty as the D for this loss.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

the offense was as guilty as the D for this loss.

Defense plays like crap for an entire half and allowed Brady to look elite while the offense scored 26 against a top-5 defense and they're "both responsible"...

 

[gbgary]

Defense plays like crap for an entire half and allowed Brady to look elite while the offense scored 26 against a top-5 defense and they're "both responsible"...

yes! red zone failures, 3 and outs in the 4th qtr after the D got 2 INT's, turnovers, sacks, no running, poor passes, bad routes, drops, bad decisions, etc. no one can look at that game and say the O was good. it became the 2018 O as the game went along.

 

[Half Empty]

Offense had opportunities to cover for the D's deficiencies, ala most of 2011, and didn't.

Defense had opportunities to cover for the O's problems, and didn't.

Ya, I'd say they're both responsible.

 

[mradtke66]

I'm sick of Rodgers getting a pass because of a lack of teammates. Brady has won with less. He did it last night. Is anyone realistically choosing the TB roster over GBs? But you know what, Brady is coming up with a score on 1st and goal from the 8 regardless of what the playcall is.

Brady didn't win last night, his defense did. He did his damnedest to give the game away.

He threw 2 terrible interceptions that were reminiscent of Favre's final Packer game in addition to Amos (I call that one good play by our defense, not a dumb throw).

Our offense turned those into 0 points. This win belongs to the Tampa defense.

 

[rmontro]

As an example, the team has given up an average of 35.8 (!!!) points in the nine playoff games the team has lost since 2009.

It's irritating that we've been trying to put a decent defense on the field for the past 10 years, and it seems like nothing we do works. As a result, we've frittered away Rodgers' career, and our opportunities. Meanwhile, Brady can fart and come up with good defenses, even if he switches teams.

That said, I agree with those who said our defense did enough to win the game. They gave the offense several opportunities and they came up empty. Two picks resulting in three and outs. That's not how you win.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

yes! red zone failures, 3 and outs in the 4th qtr after the D got 2 INT's, turnovers, sacks, no running, poor passes, bad routes, drops, bad decisions, etc. no one can look at that game and say the O was good. it became the 2018 O as the game went along.

Nope, nobody can say the offense was great against a top-5 defense where the oline was playing like garbage. However, only someone truly enlightened can say the offense was as bad as the defense.

 

[XPack]

Got it right in one!

“I wouldn’t pay much attention to it. I think frustration, disappointment, hurt, pain, all were in that soundbite. Look, there’s no way the Packers would do anything to jeopardize losing Aaron [Rodgers], unless Aaron just chooses to retire, which I would be shocked. The guy’s playing better now than he’s ever played, and without him, you certainly wouldn’t have been even close to where you were [Sunday]. And I think the same will go for next year, and really the next few years, if he chooses to play. I wouldn’t pay much attention to what he said. I’ve been there. It’s so — I mean, it hurts. It’s painful. The last thing you want to do is think about next year, because you just had a major disappointment, and that’s what you’re hearing in that soundbite.”

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I can't listen to this "Rodgers doesn't have any help" garbage anymore that I'm hearing this morning from the various news outlets. This season he had one of the best WR's in the league, one of the best RB's in the league, one of the best TE's in the league in Tonyan, and one of the best OL's in the league.

I'm sick of Rodgers getting a pass because of a lack of teammates. Brady has won with less. He did it last night. Is anyone realistically choosing the TB roster over GBs? But you know what, Brady is coming up with a score on 1st and goal from the 8 regardless of what the playcall is.

Tonyan had a lot of touchdowns but isn't anywhere close to being one of the best tight ends in the league. In addition while the Packers feature elite players in Adams, Jones and Bakhtiari on offense they lack quality depth compared to other teams.

Brady has had the benefit of a top 10 scoring defense in 17 (!!!) of his 20 seasons as a starter in the league. Rodgers??? Glad you asked, only three times over 13 years.

I was talking about in one half.

It was actually the fourth time Brady threw at least three interceptions in a half in his career.

Doesn't matter where you get the ball if you just go 3-and-out on consecutive possessions, with 6 dropbacks and only 1 completion.

It actually makes a huge difference where the offense gets the ball after a turnover.

 

[easyk83]

The Packers scored 26 against an elite defense. They should have scored a few more but the defense was the issue in this game. Brady got away with awful throws the entire first half. If the Packers had actually added a decent corner in the off-season the Packers would have won that game by 10+.

The Packers offense gift wrapped 14 points for TB off turnovers, and failed to capitalize on turnovers created by our defense.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Packers offense gift wrapped 14 points for TB off turnovers, and failed to capitalize on turnovers created by our defense.

Kevin King single handedly gave up 2 ridiculous TDs; one on a 3rd down conversion that lead to a TD and the other one, well, we're all aware of that one. Thinking the offense was as bad as the defense is just ridiculous.

 

[easyk83]

Kevin King single handedly gave up 2 ridiculous TDs; one on a 3rd down conversion that lead to a TD and the other one, well, we're all aware of that one. Thinking the offense was as bad as the defense is just ridiculous.

Again... the offense had a hand in 14 of the 31 points given up by our defense, the offense also fell flat in the 4th quarter with the game very much in reach. If your Defense hands you 3 turnovers and your offense fails to capitalize on those turnovers thats on the offense not the defense. If an opposing team gets two possessions at midfield off a pick and within your own 10 yard line and scores two touchdowns your offense has a hand in that as well. The second one was all on our offense. Just because you WANT to believe a particular narrative, doesn't mean that you should. Oh and the Offense underperformed its season long average.

BTW that ridiculous touchdown to end the half, came off an interception at midfield. There was some obvious PI that went uncalled but Lazard also needs to feel that CB pressure, and work back to the ball which he didn't. Rodgers also needs to not throw that ball given the CBs positioning. He had time to either look for another read, throw it out of bounds or just eat the ball and start to run the clock down. Part of why they won, Brady is a far better situational quarterback.

 

[Half Empty]

Kevin King single handedly gave up 2 ridiculous TDs; one on a 3rd down conversion that lead to a TD and the other one, well, we're all aware of that one. Thinking the offense was as bad as the defense is just ridiculous.

Didn't watch, but easy83 gives TB 14 points from our offense, and you give TB 14 points from our defense, sp those seem to balance out. That leaves the defense giving up 3 points and the offense scoring 26, which seems to be very good for both. Doesn't look like hanging the loss on both sides is just ridiculous, but at least open to debate.

 

[rdawsoniii]

I was praying the Packers would run their regular offense and not go pass heavy and force the ball to Adams. I knew they would lose if they did that. And that is exactly what they did.

We have the dumbest coaching staff in the NFL. I don’t give Rodgers a pass, either.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Packers offense put up 381 yards on offense against an elite defense, despite losing their second best skill player at halftime (Jones) and turned the ball over twice. Great outing? Nope. But expecting more against that defense is a bit much. I'd say the blame is somewhere around 70/30 defense/offense. For those expecting the offense to have put up 500+ yards with no turnovers... I'm not sure you watched the Bucs defense anywhere outside week 6.

 

[pacmaniac]

Packers offense put up 381 yards on offense against an elite defense, despite losing their second best skill player at halftime (Jones) and turned the ball over twice. Great outing? Nope. But expecting more against that defense is a bit much. I'd say the blame is somewhere around 70/30 defense/offense. For those expecting the offense to have put up 500+ yards with no turnovers... I'm not sure you watched the Bucs defense anywhere outside week 6.

They didn't need 500+ yards.

They only needed 389 yards. They just needed one more play. If someone told this forum before the game that Rodgers would have 1st and goal from the 8 with 3 passes to potentially win the game, would anyone have thought he would fail to complete any of the 3 attempts?

 

[XPack]

They only needed 389 yards. They just needed one more play.

After that play, we'd need a successful 2 pt conversion to tie the game. And after that we have to stop them and get ball back and score again to win the game.

We were far short of 'just one more play' imo.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

They didn't need 500+ yards.

They only needed 389 yards. They just needed one more play. If someone told this forum before the game that Rodgers would have 1st and goal from the 8 with 3 passes to potentially win the game, would anyone have thought he would fail to complete any of the 3 attempts?

Again, you keep expecting more. 381 yards and 3 TDs against THAT defense should be what ppl expect, ESPECIALLY when the team was missing its 3rd next offensive player for the second half. Anything more is gravy. Would have been great, sure, might have been possible too, but the offense was not what cost the Packers the game.

 

[longtimefan]

Offense had opportunities to cover for the D's deficiencies, ala most of 2011, and didn't.

Defense had opportunities to cover for the O's problems, and didn't.

Ya, I'd say they're both responsible.

That in a nuttshell is perfect..

This reminds me of the love fest for Brett...he would toss 6 ints and it was everyone elses fault but never brett.

Point is the offense needed 1 more td and they didnt get it..

thats not blaming rodgers, it was entire unit and coaches.

Def needed one more stop and didnt get it...

 

[Mondio]

well it was offense and defense, obviously. but it really is simple and I'll keep saying it Turner, Wagner, Jones and King did not play well enough. Everyone else did.

 

[PackAttack12]

well it was offense and defense, obviously. but it really is simple and I'll keep saying it Turner, Wagner, Jones and King did not play well enough. Everyone else did.

Essentially back to back blunders (Pettine/King, and then the Jones fumble) sealed the Packers fate. You just can. not. make mistakes like that and expect to beat a really good team.

People can talk about all of the other crap they want to talk about. But those are the two biggest reasons the Packers lost the game.

 

[pacmaniac]

Kevin King single handedly gave up 2 ridiculous TDs; one on a 3rd down conversion that lead to a TD and the other one, well, we're all aware of that one. Thinking the offense was as bad as the defense is just ridiculous.

The defense redeemed themselves in the second half with 3 picks on 3 straight drives. What more can you ask of them in the second half? The defense gets blamed every year, but they stepped up big time in the second half.

And what does our supposedly great offense, the one that people here say is one of the best offenses in the history of the NFL, do with those turnovers? Go 3 and out on consecutive possessions.

Then the O manages a drive inside the 10 yard line with 1st and goal. One of the greatest offenses in the history of the NFL can't score on 3 tries from the 8 yard line???