The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[Deleted member 6794]

i seem to remember reading something about how many 3rd and 7's or longer GB was facing and it was more than most. Not last year, but prior. and I'm sure GB's averages are ok because we've averaged out to a pretty decent offense for a long time. But it doesn't explain the situations. Averaging a good number of yards on a 1st down run because you've had 3 rushes for 2 yards and then against a defense playing pass you bust a 15+ yarder is nice for that situation, and it leaves a decent average, but it doesn't indicate a good rushing offense.

The numbers don't support your evaluation of the Packers run game over the past 10 years though. Overall they rank even ninth in yards per attempt since 2010.

As I've mentioned above opponents most trying to defend the pass definitely factored into it but the run game has been better compared to the rest of the league as you give them credit for.

 

[Mondio]

We’ve had good years and bad years. I don’t know how we rank against the rest of the league, don’t care. I’d bet our team has been in a lot of 3rd and Longs and we’ve had Rodgers to bail us out.

outside of a couple seasons in the past 10 our run game has been completely dependent on the pass and though it may have resulted in some nice runs against light fronts it’s hasn’t been any sort of run game that opens up an offense. There’s a huge difference between the 2

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I’d bet our team has been in a lot of 3rd and Longs and we’ve had Rodgers to bail us out.

You would lose that bet as only three teams have found themselves in fewer third and long situations (seven or more yards) than the Packers over the past 10 seasons.

 

[Mondio]

You would lose that bet as only three teams have found themselves in fewer third and long situations (seven or more yards) than the Packers over the past 10 seasons.

I'd like to see that broken down by years, everything can be averaged out over time

actually i don't even care, i've watched. I know what this offense has been and what it was and what I saw for a running game. You hate our picks and think they were wastes, you'll find every massaged stat you can find to prove your point and I don't care to check them or even go looking.

our run game has consistently been a product of our passing game, for the past 10 years with few exceptions. I think Dillion and an H back will help change that. There is no stat that will prove or disprove that.

 

[tynimiller]

You both are stating facts IMO. It is true we don't see many third and longs, and it is also true IMO despite not the way I'd have gone about the draft the Dillon and Deguara pick direction is clearly planning on changing things for the better as well.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yeah I don't particularly care about how the Packers stack up against the rest of the league in terms of 3rd and long. I've watched the Packers lose games because of it. A better running game theoretically will help that.

Still don't agree with the draft approach, but I will at least acknowledge that if Dillon and Deguara come to fruition, it will help with down and distance considerably.

The older Rodgers gets, the more I hate seeing 3rd and long. Puts him at unnecessary risk, and with the least talent ever in regards to pass catchers, it's a recipe for disaster to expect anyone outside of Davante to consistently make plays in those situations.

 

[Do7]

Crosby was talking about Aaron and his leadership yesterday on the Pat McAffe show.

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[rmontro]

Crosby was talking about Aaron and his leadership yesterday on the Pat McAffe show.

I remember well Rodgers encouraging Crosby when he was having a tough time. Not sure if he would have done that if it had been a receiver messing up, but it was a good moment for sure.

 

[Mondio]

I remember well Rodgers encouraging Crosby when he was having a tough time. Not sure if he would have done that if it had been a receiver messing up, but it was a good moment for sure.

He has quite a history of encouraging receivers too and praising guys that are least working even if their talent is lacking. in 2015 when Adams was struggling Rodgers supported him prior, never stopped throwing him the ball or supporting during the struggles and continued to trust and support him in 2016.

 

[Heyjoe4]

He has quite a history of encouraging receivers too and praising guys that are least working even if their talent is lacking. in 2015 when Adams was struggling Rodgers supported him prior, never stopped throwing him the ball or supporting during the struggles and continued to trust and support him in 2016.

I don’t think a QB can achieve the things Rodgers has achieved without having significant leadership skills. I have no doubt.

There’s another conversation/thread about whether his skills are diminishing. It’s probably true that he’s not playing as well as he has in the past. That said, there’s no one else under center for GB that I want other than Rodgers. I have no doubt he’ll play into his early 40s. By drafting Love, the question becomes where will he finish his career. It would be a shame if it were any place other than GB. I still remember how much it hurt to see Favre playing for the Queens. Very different circumstances as Rodgers made clear last year (before Love was drafted) that he wanted to finish his career in GB.

That will depend, of course, on how much his skills diminish, and how much he feels valued by the FO. I still think drafting a replacement at some point was a necessity. I don’t think it had to be this year.

I expect he will rise above it all.

 

[PackAttack12]

I remember well Rodgers encouraging Crosby when he was having a tough time. Not sure if he would have done that if it had been a receiver messing up, but it was a good moment for sure.

lol

 

[gbgary]

...all i'm saying is at this point rodgers needs to be less picky and take a few more risks. he's got nothing to lose...

True, wouldn't it be awesome if Rodgers took more risks to complete more highlight reel passes just to get intercepted on the next attempt???

lol...so who's come out recently and is saying the Packers offense needs to take more risks? why it's MLF himself.

"We were pretty efficient ... but were 23rd in explosive plays. That starts with play calling [and] maybe take a few more chances to help generate those plays down the field."

 

[Deleted member 6794]

lol...so who's come out recently and is saying the Packers offense needs to take more risks? why it's MLF himself.

MLF mentioned that he has to be more aggressive calling plays not that Rodgers should take more unnecessary risks.

 

[HardRightEdge]

lol...so who's come out recently and is saying the Packers offense needs to take more risks? why it's MLF himself.

So, this risk-taking approach is complemented through the draft with a QB on the bench, a power back, and an H-back as primarily a FB substitute?

Aggresiveness comes in a variety of forms that may not include winging the ball all over the field. If we add it all up, it translates to some combination of the following: a little more play action, a little more hurry up, working in a little more Ervin speed, a little more Jones out out of the slot in a Dillon-Jones combo.

 

[PackAttack12]

MLF mentioned that he has to be more aggressive calling plays not that Rodgers should take more unnecessary risks.

So, this risk-taking approach is complemented through the draft with a QB on the bench, a power back, and an H-back as primarily a FB substitute?

Aggresiveness comes in a variety of forms that may not include winging the ball all over the field. If we add it all up, it translates to some combination of the following: a little more play action, a little more hurry up, working in a little more Ervin speed, a little more Jones out out of the slot in a Dillon-Jones combo.

Oh come on. You both know this doesn't fit into @gbgary 's agenda.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Oh come on. You both know this doesn't fit into @gbgary 's agenda.

Hell hath no fury like a fantasy player scorned.

 

[gbgary]

MLF mentioned that he has to be more aggressive calling plays not that Rodgers should take more unnecessary risks.

who said unnecessary? his PC comment is meant for both he and rodgers.

 

[gbgary]

So, this risk-taking approach is complemented through the draft with a QB on the bench, a power back, and an H-back as primarily a FB substitute?

Aggresiveness comes in a variety of forms that may not include winging the ball all over the field. If we add it all up, it translates to some combination of the following: a little more play action, a little more hurry up, working in a little more Ervin speed, a little more Jones out out of the slot in a Dillon-Jones combo.

MLF's the one who said it. take up the draft question with him. he wants more explosive plays. that could be a slant that does the distance or a bomb but whatever it is he wants his play call executed. you've heard the story about a moment in a game last season...rodgers coming off the field after a throwaway sees the look on MLF's face and asks "what do you want me to do?" MLF barks back "THROW THE F*&#ING BALL!"

 

[gbgary]

Hell hath no fury like a fantasy player scorned.

never played it. always thought it would be too tedious (i'm kinda lazy lol) and also mess with the fan experience.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

never played it. always thought it would be too tedious (i'm kinda lazy lol) and also mess with the fan experience.

I've played for a long time, I find it actually adds to the fan experience. I cheer for way more players than I thought I would. Plus, it's pretty cool winning money. You gotta stay up on things though.

 

[HardRightEdge]

MLF's the one who said it. take up the draft question with him.

Well, it's like anything else. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

who said unnecessary? his PC comment is meant for both he and rodgers.

Once again, Rodgers taking more risks might result in more explosive plays but most likely in more turnovers as well. That's not desirable though.

MLF's the one who said it. take up the draft question with him. he wants more explosive plays. that could be a slant that does the distance or a bomb but whatever it is he wants his play call executed. you've heard the story about a moment in a game last season...rodgers coming off the field after a throwaway sees the look on MLF's face and asks "what do you want me to do?" MLF barks back "THROW THE F*&#ING BALL!"

You're the only one capable of turning MLF mentioning that he wants to be more aggressive calling plays into Rodgers hasn't bought into his system

 

[jon]

MLF's the one who said it. take up the draft question with him. he wants more explosive plays. that could be a slant that does the distance or a bomb but whatever it is he wants his play call executed. you've heard the story about a moment in a game last season...rodgers coming off the field after a throwaway sees the look on MLF's face and asks "what do you want me to do?" MLF barks back "THROW THE F*&#ING BALL!"

I've been looking for this.
Which game was it?

 

[HardRightEdge]

never played it. always thought it would be too tedious (i'm kinda lazy lol) and also mess with the fan experience.

No excuse, then.

 

[rmontro]

I've been looking for this.
Which game was it?

I think it was the home game against Minnesota in September.