The Aaron Rodgers performance thread

[rmontro]

Favre threw his guys under the bus many times as well, and at one time even got his own private locker. If that ain't snobbish, nothing is.

Yes, I remember that. Didn't say he was perfect, no one is. But Favre deteriorated as he went on. The position can ****** an athlete the longer they have it, Rodgers hasn't been immune to that either.

 

[Do7]

Yes, I remember that. Didn't say he was perfect, no one is. But Favre deteriorated as he went on. The position can ****** an athlete the longer they have it, Rodgers hasn't been immune to that either.

But he's certainly handled things better than Favre has. Which in turn I think makes him a better leader.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Favre threw his guys under the bus many times as well, and at one time even got his own private locker. If that ain't snobbish, nothing is.

Many times? I can recall him being critical of Javon Walker's contract situation, but other than that when did he ever throw his teammates under the bus?

 

[rmontro]

Well you would be wrong then

Would not!

 

[Heyjoe4]

But he's certainly handled things better than Favre has. Which in turn I think makes him a better leader.

Good point. Favre really became a prima donna. And all the years of retiring/unretiring/retiring became tedious for the FO, fans and I’m sure didn’t play well in the locker room. Rodgers hasn’t done anything like that, and I think he has too much class to follow Favre’s bad example.

But after taking Love, now I think it’s more likely Rodgers ends his career somewhere else. And that’s a shame, after he said he wanted to stay with GB for the rest of his career. If it comes to that, it will be interesting to see how he and the FO handle it.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yes, I remember that. Didn't say he was perfect, no one is. But Favre deteriorated as he went on. The position can ****** an athlete the longer they have it, Rodgers hasn't been immune to that either.

Point is snobs are not leaders and Favre was not one.

If your opinion is that Favre is a better QB because he took more risks or was more fun to watch because he made something out of nothing a lot, that's fine. Every Packer fan including myself loved that.


But don't be giving me this Favre Good Rodgers Bad leader BS. It's a bunch of bull**** based on nothing and will be debunked 6 ways from sundown.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Many times? I can recall him being critical of Javon Walker's contract situation, but other than that when did he ever throw his teammates under the bus?

Oh please jfc he was always blaming receivers for not catching balls that got picked and skipping practices. He was always throwing teammates under the bus.

 

[gopkrs]

I never really thought of Favre as a leader. Definitely a lot of exuberance and loved winning. But leader...

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I never really thought of Favre as a leader. Definitely a lot of exuberance and loved winning. But leader...

And I'm not saying that Rodgers is some great leader either. But for all the complaining he gets about changing the plays or undermining the head coach, Favre did this 10x as much and had coaches like Holmgren and McCarthy screaming at him on a regular way more than anyone has with AR.

Im sick and tired of this RIDICULOUS Favre Good Rodgers Bad narrative which is nothing but a debunked work of fiction written in the minds of certain fans here.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Oh please jfc he was always blaming receivers for not catching balls that got picked and skipping practices. He was always throwing teammates under the bus.

Examples? Favre has been quoted as wanting his WR's to make a play because he believed in their talent, but I don't recall him throwing people under the bus.

 

[rmontro]

If your opinion is that Favre is a better QB because he took more risks or was more fun to watch because he made something out of nothing a lot, that's fine.

I wouldn't say Favre was a better quarterback. I think Favre and Rodgers are both great quarterbacks, I like them both, I've always liked them both, they're just very different. Both have their pros and cons. I see Favre as more of a leader because it seems to me like he would keep team morale higher than Rodgers - at least when he was in his prime, and before the diva bug bit him too bad. Part of that is body language.

Nowhere did I say Rodgers is a BAD leader though. But if I was keeping score on a sheet, I would give Favre the edge there.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I wouldn't say Favre was a better quarterback. I think Favre and Rodgers are both great quarterbacks, I like them both, I've always liked them both, they're just very different. Both have their pros and cons. I see Favre as more of a leader because it seems to me like he would keep team morale higher than Rodgers - at least when he was in his prime, and before the diva bug bit him too bad. Part of that is body language.

Nowhere did I say Rodgers is a BAD leader though. But if I was keeping score on a sheet, I would give Favre the edge there.

You hit on a key point. Favre became a diva. And then he went through a few years of retiring, unretiring, retiring, unretiring, ad nauseum. If I were a player, I would not have wanted to be around a guy like that, thinking mostly of himself and what was best for him.

But in his prime, his enthusiasm and joy of playing the game no doubt lifted his teammates. Hey, we all get old......

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't care if the 3rd option is exactly where he is supposed to be. If he is the first player you have seen open; throw it to him.

A quarterback doesn't have the time to search the entire field for an open receiver on most plays though. That's why it's of utmost importance for a wide receiver to be in the expected spot.

 

[gopkrs]

A quarterback doesn't have the time to search the entire field for an open receiver on most plays though. That's why it's of utmost importance for a wide receiver to be in the expected spot.

Even if there is no chance of being open?

 

[Mondio]

Even if there is no chance of being open?

YES, because sometimes it's your JOB in the offense to take defenders with you so someone else can make the play. It is absolutely imperative that every player do THEIR job within the offense regardless of what they may think of their chances are within any given play.

and that's not even taking into consideration that defenders may fall, trip, you can do thing within a route to create confusion and gain separation or your route takes you to a point on the field that when all reads are made, you then are into a scramble mode from a point your QB expects you to start from.

 

[gopkrs]

YES, because sometimes it's your JOB in the offense to take defenders with you so someone else can make the play. It is absolutely imperative that every player do THEIR job within the offense regardless of what they may think of their chances are within any given play.

and that's not even taking into consideration that defenders may fall, trip, you can do thing within a route to create confusion and gain separation or your route takes you to a point on the field that when all reads are made, you then are into a scramble mode from a point your QB expects you to start from.

I realize I am in the minority here. And I agree you can't break your route if it will interfere with another receiver. But to just go through your route when you know the defender has you figured out does not make good sense to me. There has to be some flexibility. But I know I am in the minority on this board.

 

[Mondio]

I realize I am in the minority here. And I agree you can't break your route if it will interfere with another receiver. But to just go through your route when you know the defender has you figured out does not make good sense to me. There has to be some flexibility. But I know I am in the minority on this board.

you're in the minority across the NFL. There is ZERO reason to not do your job in a team sport unless you like to lose.

 

[GleefulGary]

I realize I am in the minority here. And I agree you can't break your route if it will interfere with another receiver. But to just go through your route when you know the defender has you figured out does not make good sense to me. There has to be some flexibility. But I know I am in the minority on this board.

Depends if you're running an option route or not. Some plays allow for flexibility within the route based on coverage, DB positioning, etc. The QB and the WR both have to read it the same way, otherwise there is confusion. That happened between Rodgers and MVS several times, for example. MVS chose the wrong option for his route, Rodgers threw it to the correct spot, result is an incomplete pass.

 

[gopkrs]

Depends if you're running an option route or not. Some plays allow for flexibility within the route based on coverage, DB positioning, etc. The QB and the WR both have to read it the same way, otherwise there is confusion. That happened between Rodgers and MVS several times, for example. MVS chose the wrong option for his route, Rodgers threw it to the correct spot, result is an incomplete pass.

MVS chose the wrong option if he was not open imho. Rodgers is a great QB and lucky to have him but I just don't believe he is perfect. And I think there is a difference between the first option and the third. Yeah, maybe the QB does not see him; but if he does; its a big play. I am not calling for anarchy. But **** retentive is not the way to go all the time either.

 

[Mondio]

Depends if you're running an option route or not. Some plays allow for flexibility within the route based on coverage, DB positioning, etc. The QB and the WR both have to read it the same way, otherwise there is confusion. That happened between Rodgers and MVS several times, for example. MVS chose the wrong option for his route, Rodgers threw it to the correct spot, result is an incomplete pass.

and that's different than saying a receiver shouldn't run his route because

Even if there is no chance of being open?

Option routes are built into an offense depending on circumstances and play calls.

 

[Do7]

you're in the minority across the NFL. There is ZERO reason to not do your job in a team sport unless you like to lose.

To add on what you said, we saw this play out two years ago. Remember what Ty Montgomery did that cost us the game against The Rams?

 

[mradtke66]

I just don't see the point in a receiver running a route to completion (unless as I stated, the ball is gonna be coming and you better be there), if the route will obviously not be open.

Several reasons why you should, but the two biggest are:

1. Your route may not be designed to get you open, but someone else. You might clear out a safety, take double coverage, or otherwise influence the play.

2. If you are number 3 or 4 in the progression, the quarterback doesn't have time to find you, he's going to look for you where he expects you to be. Even if you are covered, the quarterback might want you to be his throw away guy. You cut off your route, you're not in the area, and boom, intentional grounding.

Do. Your. Job. Don't freelance.

 

[Do7]

Several reasons why you should, but the two biggest are:

1. Your route may not be designed to get you open, but someone else. You might clear out a safety, take double coverage, or otherwise influence the play.

2. If you are number 3 or 4 in the progression, the quarterback doesn't have time to find you, he's going to look for you where he expects you to be. Even if you are covered, the quarterback might want you to be his throw away guy. You cut off your route, you're not in the area, and boom, intentional grounding.

Do. Your. Job. Don't freelance.

That will certainly help the QB gain more trust in you. Even if he doesn't throw it your way.

 

[GleefulGary]

MVS chose the wrong option if he was not open imho. Rodgers is a great QB and lucky to have him but I just don't believe he is perfect. And I think there is a difference between the first option and the third. Yeah, maybe the QB does not see him; but if he does; its a big play. I am not calling for anarchy. But **** retentive is not the way to go all the time either.

I don't think you're really understanding the way option routes work.

 

[GleefulGary]

and that's different than saying a receiver shouldn't run his route because
Option routes are built into an offense depending on circumstances and play calls.

Absolutely.