Taysom Hill

[Deleted member 6794]

Do the Bears have that kind of cap space? I'd rather they stick with Mitch.

No, the Bears have only $5.5 million of cap space according to Over the Cap.

The Bears have a big decision coming up with Turd Biscuit on his 5th year option. It would cost them over $24M in 2021 and with the up and down 3 years that he has had, I think its anyone's guess as to if they exercise it or not.

The Bears would be foolish to pay Trubisky that kind of money. There's a decent chance of it happening as it's the Bears we're talking about after all.

I could imagine a team with absurd amounts of cap space offering him a ton of money on a shorter term deal just to make sure they get him and get a chance to see if he is in fact a franchise QB. Certain teams have so much room that they're going to have a hard time using it.

Those teams could still use their cap space in a smarter way than to throw that kind of money at Bridgewater.

 

[Heyjoe4]

In my opinion Hill isn't a fit for the Packers offense because he isn't all that good to begin with and therefore definitely not worth giving up a second rounder for him.

Yeah I mean the backup situation in GB isn’t great, but giving up a 2nd round pick for Hill, as much as I like him, is nuts. IMO he’s be better than Boyle, but at what price? Even the Saints didn’t view him as the #2 backup, giving that job to Bridgewater.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Fair enough. But if the Saints retain Hill over Bridgewater going forward how will that affect your rationale?

Well, Bridgewater has proven he has starting ability. I don’t know his contract situation this year but I’m certain some franchise would pay him like a starter.

That leaves Hill as backup. I haven’t seen enough of him, outside of the gadget plays they run, to say if he’s a legitimate #2. The idea that he’s ready for a starting role now are unsupported.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah I mean the backup situation in GB isn’t great, but giving up a 2nd round pick for Hill, as much as I like him, is nuts. IMO he’s be better than Boyle, but at what price? Even the Saints didn’t view him as the #2 backup, giving that job to Bridgewater.

First off, Bridgewater was signed for a lot of money and as the primary backup to an aging Drew Brees. The Saints didn't know then and they still probably don't fully know what they have in the way of a QB in Taysom Hill. I think they have a better idea than most of us if he is a capable starter or just a backup and a better understanding of that now, then they did when they signed Bridgewater. Sorry, tired of people using the "they did this, thus it must mean this". Connect the dots better and update the dots.

Second, Hill has definite value to the Saints and for them to keep him, they will probably have to tag him. If they make a high enough qualifying offer to him, that would require another team to cough up a first or second round draft pick to sign him. The exact dollar amounts haven't been set yet, but it should require an offer of at least $4.5 million to require a first-round draft choice and $3.2 million for a second-rounder. I was the one who said, "if I thought that he fit well into the Packers system, which I don't think that he does, I would give up the #62 pick for him." I would be more than happy to have Taysom as my backup QB, but more for what he does on special teams and offense. Let's put it this way......what player have the Packers selected at #62 or later, has done much for them? As far as second round picks around 62, you would have to go back to 2013 and Eddie Lacy at #61.

Oh I know, this draft will be different, we will get a great player at #62. Can you tell I am a bit soured on the Packers and the draft as of late?

 

[Heyjoe4]

First off, Bridgewater was signed for a lot of money and as the primary backup to an aging Drew Brees. The Saints didn't know then and they still probably don't fully know what they have in the way of a QB in Taysom Hill. I think they have a better idea than most of us if he is a capable starter or just a backup and a better understanding of that now, then they did when they signed Bridgewater. Sorry, tired of people using the "they did this, thus it must mean this". Connect the dots better and update the dots.

Second, Hill has definite value to the Saints and for them to keep him, they will probably have to tag him. If they make a high enough qualifying offer to him, that would require another team to cough up a first or second round draft pick to sign him. The exact dollar amounts haven't been set yet, but it should require an offer of at least $4.5 million to require a first-round draft choice and $3.2 million for a second-rounder. I was the one who said, "if I thought that he fit well into the Packers system, which I don't think that he does, I would give up the #62 pick for him." I would be more than happy to have Taysom as my backup QB, but more for what he does on special teams and offense. Let's put it this way......what player have the Packers selected at #62 or later, has done much for them? As far as second round picks around 62, you would have to go back to 2013 and Eddie Lacy at #61.

Oh I know, this draft will be different, we will get a great player at #62. Can you tell I am a bit soured on the Packers and the draft as of late?

“they did this, thus it must mean this" - Huh?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

“they did this, thus it must mean this" - Huh?

The Saints traded for Teddy back in 2018 when Hill was still very green. Then re-signed Teddy to a guaranteed contract of $7.25M on March 15, 2019 to back up Brees. Turned out to be a smart move on their part. But it wasn't to compete with Hill for the #2 spot, that was obvious by the money they paid him. Remember, Bridgewater was once a decent starting QB, coming off of a major injury.

So for people to say "Hill can't be very good" or "he isn't good enough to be a #2, the Saints chose Bridgewater over him", aren't really connecting all the dots correctly. One does not necessarily mean the other, especially almost a year after the decision to keep Bridgewater was made. Maybe the Saints just didn't think Hill was ready when they resigned Teddy?

 

[Heyjoe4]

The Saints traded for Teddy back in 2018 when Hill was still very green. Then re-signed Teddy to a guaranteed contract of $7.25M on March 15, 2019 to back up Brees. Turned out to be a smart move on their part. But it wasn't to compete with Hill for the #2 spot, that was obvious by the money they paid him. Remember, Bridgewater was once a decent starting QB, coming off of a major injury.

So for people to say "Hill can't be very good" or "he isn't good enough to be a #2, the Saints chose Bridgewater over him", aren't really connecting all the dots correctly. One does not necessarily mean the other, especially almost a year after the decision to keep Bridgewater was made. Maybe the Saints just didn't think Hill was ready when they resigned Teddy?

I see your point. I certainly think Hill is quite capable of being a #2 in this league now. The fact the Saints brought in Bridgewater as insurance for an aging Brees was a gamble, but the gamble certainly paid off as Bridgewater went 4-0 and the Saints had/have a very good team. If there are people saying this means Hill can’t be a #2, well, I don’t agree with them.

 

[GleefulGary]

First off, Bridgewater was signed for a lot of money and as the primary backup to an aging Drew Brees. The Saints didn't know then and they still probably don't fully know what they have in the way of a QB in Taysom Hill. I think they have a better idea than most of us if he is a capable starter or just a backup and a better understanding of that now, then they did when they signed Bridgewater. Sorry, tired of people using the "they did this, thus it must mean this". Connect the dots better and update the dots.

Second, Hill has definite value to the Saints and for them to keep him, they will probably have to tag him. If they make a high enough qualifying offer to him, that would require another team to cough up a first or second round draft pick to sign him. The exact dollar amounts haven't been set yet, but it should require an offer of at least $4.5 million to require a first-round draft choice and $3.2 million for a second-rounder. I was the one who said, "if I thought that he fit well into the Packers system, which I don't think that he does, I would give up the #62 pick for him." I would be more than happy to have Taysom as my backup QB, but more for what he does on special teams and offense. Let's put it this way......what player have the Packers selected at #62 or later, has done much for them? As far as second round picks around 62, you would have to go back to 2013 and Eddie Lacy at #61.

Oh I know, this draft will be different, we will get a great player at #62. Can you tell I am a bit soured on the Packers and the draft as of late?

And Hill clearly wants to pursue being a starting QB, and clearly wants to be paid like one.

So you're gonna trade a 2nd round pick for a utility player/backup QB that wants a big contract after a year? Seems like a stellar idea.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And Hill clearly wants to pursue being a starting QB, and clearly wants to be paid like one.

So you're gonna trade a 2nd round pick for a utility player/backup QB that wants a big contract after a year? Seems like a stellar idea.

Again, I never said that the Packers and Hill are a match, so no I don't think the Packers would trade their 61st pick for him. However, I can name quiet a few players that were a complete waste of a late second round pick, as well as quite a few players who never earned the money that they thought they were worth and in many cases paid. What Hill eventually gets paid will be a direct reflection on what he and a team feel he is worth. As with most NFL contracts, that could work out good or bad. Seems like some of you think this guy has very little value because he may never be a starting QB, well I would place his overall value to a team higher than quite a few starters are getting paid, at many positions throughout the NFL, but that is just me.

 

[Dantés]

Again, I never said that the Packers and Hill are a match, so no I don't think the Packers would trade their 61st pick for him. However, I can name quiet a few players that were a complete waste of a late second round pick, as well as quite a few players who never earned the money that they thought they were worth and in many cases paid. What Hill eventually gets paid will be a direct reflection on what he and a team feel he is worth. As with most NFL contracts, that could work out good or bad. Seems like some of you think this guy has very little value because he may never be a starting QB, well I would place his overall value to a team higher than quite a few starters are getting paid, at many positions throughout the NFL, but that is just me.

I think you're missing the point.

The point is not that he has "very little value" simply because he's not a starting QB.

The point is that he has already stated that he thinks he's a starting QB. His perceived value is going to dramatically outpace his actual value.

He's a restricted FA. So you don't just trade a 2nd for him, you tender him a contract offer and if he takes it, and the Saints don't match, then you give up the 2nd.

So if you value his gadget skill set at, say, a generous 5M/season and make that offer for him, is he really going to sign it? If he really thinks he's a quarterback, he's going to decline, sign his tender sheet, and try to find QB money as a UFA in 2021.

How high are you willing to go to sign him? 10M/season plus a 2nd?

He is a nice wrinkle in the Saints offense. He's an impressive athlete. But he's not worth all that.

 

[GleefulGary]

I think you're missing the point.

The point is not that he has "very little value" simply because he's not a starting QB.

The point is that he has already stated that he thinks he's a starting QB. His perceived value is going to dramatically outpace his actual value.

He's a restricted FA. So you don't just trade a 2nd for him, you tender him a contract offer and if he takes it, and the Saints don't match, then you give up the 2nd.

So if you value his gadget skill set at, say, a generous 5M/season and make that offer for him, is he really going to sign it? If he really thinks he's a quarterback, he's going to decline, sign his tender sheet, and try to find QB money as a UFA in 2021.

How high are you willing to go to sign him? 10M/season plus a 2nd?

He is a nice wrinkle in the Saints offense. He's an impressive athlete. But he's not worth all that.

This.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The point is that he has already stated that he thinks he's a starting QB. His perceived value is going to dramatically outpace his actual value.

What he thinks (says publicly) and what he actually is or what he gets are very different things. I would be shocked if someone is dumb enough to pay the guy $10M/season at this point. Nor do I think he expects it. Maybe next year, if he proves he is worth it. I also don't think its unusual for a player to perceive that his own value is higher than what it really is, we just saw that with Josh Jones.

Taysom is simply posturing for his next contract, he isn't an idiot, he has only thrown 13 passes in the NFL. Do you think Tim Boyle tells people that he will never be a starting QB in the NFL? I would be pretty disappointed in any player if their mindset was that they were a career backup.

People are getting all wigged out by what Hill, Sean Payton and the Media have said and think Hill is asking for starting QB money, he isn't.

Forget for a moment that Hill even has a position. What is his Skill set worth to you? Because that is the question a handful of teams will be asking themselves. I value a player that can get yards by playing at least 3 positions (not including special teams) a bigger value than from one position. He accounted for 445 yds (passing, receiving and rushing), that would rank him as the 19th TE in the NFL last year. You have been talking about the Packers needing to sign Hunter Henry, but at what price? He accounted for only 13 more yds/game then Hill, playing from one position, TE.

 

[Dantés]

What he thinks (says publicly) and what he actually is or what he gets are very different things. I would be shocked if someone is dumb enough to pay the guy $10M/season at this point. Nor do I think he expects it. Maybe next year, if he proves he is worth it. I also don't think its unusual for a player to perceive that his own value is higher than what it really is, we just saw that with Josh Jones.

Taysom is simply posturing for his next contract, he isn't an idiot, he has only thrown 13 passes in the NFL. Do you think Tim Boyle tells people that he will never be a starting QB in the NFL? I would be pretty disappointed in any player if their mindset was that they were a career backup.

People are getting all wigged out by what Hill, Sean Payton and the Media have said and think Hill is asking for starting QB money, he isn't.

Forget for a moment that Hill even has a position. What is his Skill set worth to you? Because that is the question a handful of teams will be asking themselves. I value a player that can get yards by playing at least 3 positions (not including special teams) a bigger value than from one position. He accounted for 445 yds (passing, receiving and rushing), that would rank him as the 19th TE in the NFL last year. You have been talking about the Packers needing to sign Hunter Henry, but at what price? He accounted for only 13 more yds/game then Hill, playing from one position, TE.

Yes, most players are going to perceive their own value as being higher than what it actually is. However, this is a different situation. He perceives his position to be different than it actually is. So it's not like he thinks he's worth 8M and I think he's worth 5M. It's that I think he's a gadget player and he thinks he's a franchise QB.

I mean, the guy straight up said that, "I definitely think I'm a franchise QB." I don't think that's just posturing.

If I'm thinking of a team that isn't super strapped for cap space, then I think that the 5M number I threw out there is fair compensation... but that's only if a team is capable of using him creatively, like Payton.

As for your Henry comp, that doesn't work for me at all. For one, Henry had 652 yards receiving in 12 games, which is 54/game. Hill had 445 yards total in 16 games, which is 28/game. So I have the difference as 26/game, not 13.

But more importantly, Henry is an every down player whose role changes the offense on every snap. Players like him allow an offense to operate unpredictably, because he is a threat to block a defensive end as well as to catch a 20 yard pass down the seam.

Hill is giving you ~12-15 snaps in a game

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If I'm thinking of a team that isn't super strapped for cap space, then I think that the 5M number I threw out there is fair compensation... but that's only if a team is capable of using him creatively, like Payton.

Exactly what I have been saying. LOL

Such a team might also view him as a worthwhile gamble to give up a second for and that $5M is more than what the Saints would have to pay him if they tender him a 2nd round pick and even more than a 1st round tender.

Lowest Tender: $2.1 M
2nd Round Tender: $3.2 M
1st round tender: $4.6 M

Hill’s unique skillset and usage is definitely going to factor into contract talks, meaning a restricted free agent tender is the likely path forward.

From a Saints media source:

"So what could his contract look like if he continues to play such a nebulous position, listed at quarterback but doing everything else? The low end might be San Francisco 49ers fullback Kyle Juszczyk, who similarly blocks, runs, and catches while earning $5.25 million per year. The Detroit Lions just paid backup tight end Jesse James $5.65 million per year, while starters like Trey Burton ($8 million), Jared Cook ($7.5 million), Tyler Higbee ($7.25 million), and Jack Doyle ($7.1 million) each set a hypothetical lead for Hill to chase. His ability to throw and play special teams should only raise that bar."

 

[Dantés]

Exactly what I have been saying. LOL

Such a team might also view him as a worthwhile gamble to give up a second for and that $5M is more than what the Saints would have to pay him if they tender him a 2nd round pick and even more than a 1st round tender.

Lowest Tender: $2.1 M
2nd Round Tender: $3.2 M
1st round tender: $4.6 M

Hill’s unique skillet and usage is definitely going to factor into contract talks, meaning a restricted free agent tender is the likely path forward.

Here's the problem.

If Hill wants to hit FA next season, which he clearly does, then why is he signing a multi-year deal with another team for 5M? He'll just pass, take the one year tender at 3.2, and then hit the open market.

And if the offer is just a one year deal, then why aren't the Saints just matching it? And if they don't match it, then we just blew a 2nd round pick on a one year deal.

Which brings me to the bigger issue: while I think he could be worth a few million in the right situation, I really do not think he's worth that plus a 2nd round pick. Not by a long shot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Hill wants to hit FA next season, which he clearly does, then why is he signing a multi-year deal with another team for 5M? He'll just pass, take the one year tender at 3.2, and then hit the open market.

How do you know that he clearly wants to hit FA next year? I guess I haven't read that.

I don't think he is worth a second round pick if all you can get him for is one year deal. A team that really wants him, will offer him an incentive driven deal, that pays him well if he produces as a QB. This is a pretty unique player, I don't foresee a "normal" contract no matter who signs him, even the Saints.

You and Janis both keep interjecting "we", I assume meaning the Packers? I don't see the Packers pursuing him. I think a team that has plenty of cap space and not that great of a QB situation gets the most value out of him. If he can't win the #1 QB job with that team, he still can give them a lot doing all the other things he does, plus be a capable #2. Hell, being a capable #2 alone is worth decent money.

It will be interesting to watch what happens. I predict he and the Saints work out a deal. It might be tailored to at least give him a crack at the starting QB job (and money) when Brees finally hangs them up or just a nice contract for being the swiss army knife and backup QB that he is.

 

[GleefulGary]

How do you know that he clearly wants to hit FA next year? I guess I haven't read that.

I don't think he is worth a second round pick if all you can get him for is one year deal. A team that really wants him, will offer him an incentive driven deal, that pays him well if he produces as a QB. This is a pretty unique player, I don't foresee a "normal" contract no matter who signs him, even the Saints.

You and Janis both keep interjecting "we", I assume meaning the Packers? I don't see the Packers pursuing him. I think a team that has plenty of cap space and not that great of a QB situation gets the most value out of him. If he can't win the #1 QB job with that team, he still can give them a lot doing all the other things he does, plus be a capable #2. Hell, being a capable #2 alone is worth decent money.

It will be interesting to watch what happens. I predict he and the Saints work out a deal. It might be tailored to at least give him a crack at the starting QB job (and money) when Brees finally hangs them up or just a nice contract for being the swiss army knife and backup QB that he is.

The thing with him being a backup QB, is that it has to be team specific.

One of the reasons New Orleans played Bridgewater over Hill, outside of Teddy being better, is that you have to change your whole offense for Hill. Hill is very athletic, strong arm, struggles with timing, accuracy, and ball placement. He always has. Kind of the exact opposite of Brees.

So who is going to re-do their offense for the backup QB? This isn't a few spot plays here and there to keep the defense guessing, this is an entire game plan. There's a key difference. So a team like Baltimore, yeah, that works. But Hill wants to start at QB, and he's not gonna do that in Baltimore. The options are very limited, and I struggle to believe a team is going to plan an offense around a 30 year gadget player who has never been a full time QB in the NFL.

Basically what I'm saying is that all the teams that would run an offense that would befit Hill already have better options. Maybe Anthony Lynn with the Chargers could, but who's gonna stake their career on Hill? Just seems unlikely.

 

[GleefulGary]

And regarding Bridgewater, Hill, and the money...it's about wins baby.

If it was all about money, Gardner Minshew would've never gotten the starting job back after Nick Files came back. It ain't about the money. Good team, and we know the Saints are a good, forward thinking team, care about wins.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And regarding Bridgewater, Hill, and the money...it's about wins baby.

I don't think anyone, at least not me, was trying to say that Hill is a better QB than Bridgewater. Again, I think some of you are stuck on his comment of him thinking he is a franchise QB. What else does a highly competitive athlete say? He may think it, but he won't get paid as one, until he proves it.

Bridgewater will get a starting QB offer from someone, how much that will be, I haven't really studied it hard, have heard $20M +. I doubt any team at this point will pay Taysom Hill even half that. If the Saints can't resign him, I think he ends up going somewhere that has enough of an unsure QB room, that he can compete for the starting job (LAC, Indy, Chicago). If he doesn't win the starting job, he is a nice tool in their toolbox.

As far as having to completely change an offense and tailor it specifically to his skill sets, I think some of you are making more out of that than there really is as well. Will there be new wrinkles to the playbook? Of course there would be, that is what the Saints had to do when Teddy B came in. Teams are going to run plays that fit the strength of the QB and the other personnel that are playing. Do you think Matt Moore runs the same offense as Patrick Mahomes?

 

[Dantés]

How do you know that he clearly wants to hit FA next year? I guess I haven't read that.

I don't think he is worth a second round pick if all you can get him for is one year deal. A team that really wants him, will offer him an incentive driven deal, that pays him well if he produces as a QB. This is a pretty unique player, I don't foresee a "normal" contract no matter who signs him, even the Saints.

You and Janis both keep interjecting "we", I assume meaning the Packers? I don't see the Packers pursuing him. I think a team that has plenty of cap space and not that great of a QB situation gets the most value out of him. If he can't win the #1 QB job with that team, he still can give them a lot doing all the other things he does, plus be a capable #2. Hell, being a capable #2 alone is worth decent money.

It will be interesting to watch what happens. I predict he and the Saints work out a deal. It might be tailored to at least give him a crack at the starting QB job (and money) when Brees finally hangs them up or just a nice contract for being the swiss army knife and backup QB that he is.

Well, virtually every player in the NFL wants to hit unrestricted FA if his own team isn't interested in paying him what he thinks he's worth. Hill said he views himself as a franchise QB, "whether with the Saints or someone else." So I think it's a safe bet that unless someone offers him a deal commensurate with his own perceived value, he would play on the tender and then hit the open market and see how 30 other teams felt about it.

I think all the reasons why it doesn't make sense for Green Bay are the same reasons why it would be very hard to make it work for any other team, unless said team legitimately viewed him as a quarterback.

 

[Dantés]

I don't think anyone, at least not me, was trying to say that Hill is a better QB than Bridgewater. Again, I think some of you are stuck on his comment of him thinking he is a franchise QB. What else does a highly competitive athlete say? He may think it, but he won't get paid as one, until he proves it.

Bridgewater will get a starting QB offer from someone, how much that will be, I haven't really studied it hard, have heard $20M +. I doubt any team at this point will pay Taysom Hill even half that. If the Saints can't resign him, I think he ends up going somewhere that has enough of an unsure QB room, that he can compete for the starting job (LAC, Indy, Chicago). If he doesn't win the starting job, he is a nice tool in their toolbox.

As far as having to completely change an offense and tailor it specifically to his skill sets, I think some of you are making more out of that than there really is as well. Will there be new wrinkles to the playbook? Of course there would be, that is what the Saints had to do when Teddy B came in. Teams are going to run plays that fit the strength of the QB and the other personnel that are playing. Do you think Matt Moore runs the same offense as Patrick Mahomes?

I think a highly competitive gadget player could have easily said that he thinks he's one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in the league and deserves to be paid as such.

While Bridgewater is not Brees, his skillset is similar. You can put them in the same offense, though with different expectations. The same can't be said for Hill. If he's your QB, you're overhauling the entire thing, a la the Ravens making way for Jackson.

If a team wants to give Hill a shot at QB, then they have to go all in. I can't imagine a team being stupid enough to go all in for a 30-31 year old with 13 career NFL passes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Again, some of you are reading way too much into what Taysom Hill has said. He should tell teams he’s a starting quarterback. Why? Because that’s where the money is at. If Nick Foles can fetch $50 million guaranteed from the Jacksonville Jaguars, then I don’t blame Hill for trying to do the same. Will he get that much? I highly doubt it.

Are you 100% sure he isn't a starter? Aaron Rodgers didn't start until his 4th year in the league. Both Rodgers and Hill found themselves stuck behind HOF QB's. Hill eventually is going to get an opportunity to try and prove that he is a starter. Where and when that happens is anyone's guess. Until then, he will make quite a bit of money as one of the best utility players in the league. If he can adequately backup a QB, even a bigger bonus for a team. If he can' become a Franchise QB, like he thinks he can, someone gets a bargain.

The Packers didn't see enough value in Hill 3 1/2 years ago to keep him, the Saints have uncovered his value, where that goes from here, nobody is quite sure, but I wouldn't bet against Hill.

 

[Mondio]

Rodgers may not have started until year 4, but we never traded for or paid someone 7 million bucks to come and move him down the depth chart either. There’s a reason for that.

he’s a 1 read pass or run Guy than can take advantage of a few times a game in specific situations. Makes for nice highlights sometimes.

 

[GleefulGary]

Again, some of you are reading way too much into what Taysom Hill has said. He should tell teams he’s a starting quarterback. Why? Because that’s where the money is at. If Nick Foles can fetch $50 million guaranteed from the Jacksonville Jaguars, then I don’t blame Hill for trying to do the same. Will he get that much? I highly doubt it.

Are you 100% sure he isn't a starter? Aaron Rodgers didn't start until his 4th year in the league. Both Rodgers and Hill found themselves stuck behind HOF QB's. Hill eventually is going to get an opportunity to try and prove that he is a starter. Where and when that happens is anyone's guess. Until then, he will make quite a bit of money as one of the best utility players in the league. If he can adequately backup a QB, even a bigger bonus for a team. If he can' become a Franchise QB, like he thinks he can, someone gets a bargain.

The Packers didn't see enough value in Hill 3 1/2 years ago to keep him, the Saints have uncovered his value, where that goes from here, nobody is quite sure, but I wouldn't bet against Hill.

Yes, Rodgers didn't start until his 4th year.

He was also drafted in the 1st round, was a top QB prospect coming out of college, and was drafted at 22/23 I think.

Taysom Hill was an UDFA QB entering the NFL at 26 years old, with accuracy/footwork/progression issues, as well as a major injury history. He never stayed healthy in college.

There is no comparison to be made with Rodgers and Hill's history entering the league, and their first few years in the league. Drastically different situations.

He's a good gadget player. He hasn't shown anything, in college, or the NFL, that would indicate he can be a starting NFL QB. I would like you to point to examples, on the field, that show that he can be a starting QB. Thanks!

 

[GleefulGary]

I don't think anyone, at least not me, was trying to say that Hill is a better QB than Bridgewater. Again, I think some of you are stuck on his comment of him thinking he is a franchise QB. What else does a highly competitive athlete say? He may think it, but he won't get paid as one, until he proves it.

Bridgewater will get a starting QB offer from someone, how much that will be, I haven't really studied it hard, have heard $20M +. I doubt any team at this point will pay Taysom Hill even half that. If the Saints can't resign him, I think he ends up going somewhere that has enough of an unsure QB room, that he can compete for the starting job (LAC, Indy, Chicago). If he doesn't win the starting job, he is a nice tool in their toolbox.

As far as having to completely change an offense and tailor it specifically to his skill sets, I think some of you are making more out of that than there really is as well. Will there be new wrinkles to the playbook? Of course there would be, that is what the Saints had to do when Teddy B came in. Teams are going to run plays that fit the strength of the QB and the other personnel that are playing. Do you think Matt Moore runs the same offense as Patrick Mahomes?

Yes, Matt Moore ran the same offense Mahomes did. The playbook wasn't as open as it is with Mahomes, but schematically, same offense.

With Hill it's just not the same thing. Their offense is based on timing routes, 3 step drops, quick passes, and most importantly, accuracy. Those are things that Teddy does quite well. The offense between Brees and Teddy, schematically, not that different. There is absolutely no way you could run that same offense with Hill. It's not just playing to the QB's strengths, is that his strengths are the exact opposite of Brees. So the line blocking has to change, the run schemes change, the pass schemes change. It's not as simple as you think.