Tactics under Matt LeFleur

[rmontro]

17-3, and his play design and calling appear to be getting better.
I'm beginning to think MLF is a pretty good coach.

 

[PackAttack12]

17-3, and his play design and calling appear to be getting better.
I'm beginning to think MLF is a pretty good coach.

I never doubted MLF's football smarts. I was a little skeptical of whether or not he'd have the ability to lead as the main guy, and if he could galvanize a locker room. He's showing, at least right now, that he's got "it".

 

[Dantés]

I'll be interested to see what the offense does out of the bye against Tampa Bay.

Their run defense is super strong, but otherwise I don't see much of a trend as I look back over their games so far.

They've been solid overall, but they've also seen Bridgewater, Driskel, Rypien, and Herbert over the last three weeks.

If a rookie Justin Herbert can go in there and hang 31 on them throwing to Jalen Guyton and Tyron Johnson, then Rodgers should be able to do some damage, especially with Adams back.

 

[HardRightEdge]

There were some glimmers of defense around the league this past week in several games. For whatever reason, defenses have been slow to get rolling in this historically high scoring season. I would expect improving defenses to continue.

Week 4 is in the books. This is when the season begins except for those unfortunate 0-4 and 1-3 teams behihd the 8 ball.

 

[Dantés]

I thought this was a good comment on big difference between offenses like LaFleur's and offenses like McCarthy's, from Dan Orlovsky:

Dan Orlovsky
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There is such a glaring difference in NFL offenses right now & use of motion. Motion is either used for INFORMATION or IMPACT. The teams using it to IMPACT-are mostly the really good offenses. The teams using it for INFORMATION-are mostly the poor ones stuck in 2005.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I thought this was a good comment on big difference between offenses like LaFleur's and offenses like McCarthy's, from Dan Orlovsky:

The Cowboys' offense isn't an issue as they rank third in the league in points scored and lead the league in yards per game by a wide margin.

Their defense ranks dead last in points allowed though.

 

[Dantés]

The Cowboys' offense isn't an issue as they rank third in the league in points scored and lead the league in yards per game by a wide margin.

Their defense ranks dead last in points allowed though.

The Cowboys offense is exceedingly talented. They’ve put up a lot of yards and points. I still think McCarthy’s system is stale, and that he needs high end pieces to make it all work.

 

[rmontro]

I still think McCarthy’s system is stale, and that he needs high end pieces to make it all work.

Agreed, but his biggest weakness may be picking defensive coordinators.

 

[XPack]

I thought this was a good comment on big difference between offenses like LaFleur's and offenses like McCarthy's, from Dan Orlovsky:

What's the difference between Impact vs Information in this regard?

 

[mradtke66]

What's the difference between Impact vs Information in this regard?

Information: you motion your flanker across the formation and turn him into a slot. You see if a corner comes with him, safety comes down, or the linebackers roll. From this, you determine man vs. zone, who might be blitzing, etc.

Impact: You send Ervin in motion and either fake it to him or give it to him.

You can do both at the same time. For example, put Ervin out wide, Jones and Williams in the backfield. Motion Jones out wide, see how goes with him (information.) Let him set, and then send Ervin across the formation for the fake (impact.)

 

[Dantés]

What's the difference between Impact vs Information in this regard?

Motion for information is intended to reveal coverage.

Motion for impact is intended to misdirect defenders.

 

[pacmaniac]

Has MLF shown any ability to make second half adjustments after a poor first half?

 

[Mondio]

Has MLF shown any ability to make second half adjustments after a poor first half?

what adjustments do you make when you're getting destroyed up front? could you even tell if any were made?

Seriously, they put Williams out there to help Wagner and they both just watch guys fly by them on their way to smother Rodgers. They were bad today.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I like LaFleur but man I wish he would get rid of this ridiculous Kyle Shannahan 4th Quarter Superbowl playbook he uses. I swear to God he reverts to it and gives opponents free timeouts instead of forcing them to burn them.

BAD!! Fortunately he has a kicker who can hit from 58 yards.

 

[PackAttack12]

I like LaFleur but man I wish he opponents ould get rid of this ridiculous Kyle Shannahan 4th Quarter Superbowl playbook he uses. I swear to God he reverts to it and gives opponents free timeouts instead of forcing them to burn them.

BAD!! Fortunately he has a kicker who can hit from 58 yards.

Not to mention the ultimate equalizer: Aaron Rodgers.

 

[longtimefan]

I like LaFleur but man I wish he opponents ould get rid of this ridiculous Kyle Shannahan 4th Quarter Superbowl playbook he uses. I swear to God he reverts to it and gives opponents free timeouts instead of forcing them to burn them.

BAD!! Fortunately he has a kicker who can hit from 58 yards.

Example?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Well, and Shannahan had some equalizers on that Falcons offense, but his play calling was still dumb against the Patriots. LaFleur seems to be borrowing from that play book too much sometimes.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Example?

Trying to take a kill shot in the end zone with too much time left and not forcing Detroit to burn timeouts by running or throwing short passes on them.

 

[longtimefan]

Trying to take a kill shot in the end zone with too much time left and not forcing Detroit to burn timeouts by running or throwing short passes on them.

Thats all on matt?

What other options was there for play call? What was rpo on that?

And do you wish they dont take foot off gas?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Thats all on matt?

What other options was there for play call? What was rpo on that?

And do you wish they dont take foot off gas?

It's on Rodgers too a little, but LaFleur obviously didn't call a run play there.

Id say you can still have some moderate aggressiveness with your play calling in that situation, but if your offense could pick up a few more first downs and run the clock out, you go with that.

Especially when considering that even if you do score a TD there, you got that lousy Mennenga kick coverage unit tasked with holding the lead.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Thats all on matt?

What other options was there for play call? What was rpo on that?

And do you wish they dont take foot off gas?

Agree. While I cringe when those "kill shots" miss, I would much rather see that than the Mike McCarthy "lets run 3 plays and make our defense stop them" conservative play calling. I haven't seen any complaints about the call on the last meaningful play of the game, the 3rd down pass to Tonyan to pick up a first down and end the game.

The only thing I will say on that incompletion to Adams in the endzone, it appeared Lazard was more open underneath. That said, the announcers seemed to think Adams was open and Rodgers just didn't make a great throw.

All in all I think MLF is a much more aggressive and confident play caller and I think Rodgers appreciates that over his previous coach.

 

[PackAttack12]

Agree. While I cringe when those "kill shots" miss, I would much rather see that than the Mike McCarthy "lets run 3 plays and make our defense stop them" conservative play calling. I haven't seen any complain about the call on the last meaningful play of the game, the 3rd down pass to Tonyan to pick up a first down and end the game.

The only thing I will say on that incompletion to Adams in the endzone, it appeared Lazard was more open underneath. That said, the announcers seemed to think Adams was open and Rodgers just didn't make a great throw.

All in all I think MLF is a much more aggressive and confident play caller and I think Rodgers appreciates that over his previous coach.

Couldn't agree more. And the added aggressiveness isn't necessarily reckless aggression. It's knowing the odds and taking calculated, weighted risks. To your point, anything is better than McCarthy's tail between the legs approach that played a huge role in pissing away the NFCCG in '14.

 

[easyk83]

The tactics of MLF, how about 0 and 13. The 0 stands for the number of sacks Aaron Rodgers took during yesterdays game and the 13 for the 13 for the number on the season. By getting Rodgers to buy into a more balanced offense we are keeping him upright limiting his hits and effectively taking away the absurd tactics which defenses were using against Aaron. Pretty much for the last couple of years of MMs tenure you'd play Rodgers by spreading your defensive front, dropping your LBs and safeties deep and ignoring the run. Even when we were averaging say 5+ ypc we wouldnt stick with it. This is why Rodgers play declined so markedly and why he was getting sacked I want to say about 44+ times per season. Running a more balanced offense the rush is slower, the passing lanes are wider and Rodgers looks like a young man again.

We all love Rodgers but thank God we've moved on from the Aaron Rodgers hero ball approach that we had from 2011 to 2019. Honestly if we had been using a system more like MLFs I bet we would have won at least one super bowl during that time period.

 

[tynimiller]

We all love Rodgers but thank God we've moved on from the Aaron Rodgers hero ball approach that we had from 2011 to 2019. Honestly if we had been using a system more like MLFs I bet we would have won at least one super bowl during that time period.

The scary thing is...imagine a more mobile younger Aaron in this system...he is thriving in it now - but LORDY....what might have been.

 

[Poppa San]

The only thing I will say on that incompletion to Adams in the endzone, it appeared Lazard was more open underneath. That said, the announcers seemed to think Adams was open and Rodgers just didn't make a great throw.

Adams had beat the DB deep. AR12 underthrew the ball. Should have went for the back pylon for 6, not the front which allowed the DB time to recover and break it up. Or threw it a second earlier. I don't recall what the rush and pocket looked like for that.