Studs n duds Niners playoffs

[gopkrs]

It hurt not having MVS last night though hard to tell if ARod would have had the time. And Amari Rodgers is still a question mark. Didn't show anything this year but... Lazard's catch was a good one and I think a first down. ARod should have been looking for him every once in awhile imho. He was so intent on watching Adams. And he did not have a lot of time to do anything else. A costly mistake for ARod because there were at least two defenders on Adams all the time. But as someone else said, that has been the MO all along.

 

[KEYSER SOZE]

It hurt not having MVS last night though hard to tell if ARod would have had the time. And Amari Rodgers is still a question mark. Didn't show anything this year but... Lazard's catch was a good one and I think a first down. ARod should have been looking for him every once in awhile imho. He was so intent on watching Adams. And he did not have a lot of time to do anything else. A costly mistake for ARod because there were at least two defenders on Adams all the time. But as someone else said, that has been the MO all along.

LaFleur owns this...way over his head. Rodgers is gone....probably in SF to finish career with a real organization. GB fans are about to understand what's it's like to be a Lion/Bear fan.

 

[kevans74]

As a fan that likes both Cobb and Lazard, sorry they aren't quality #2 WR's and I think they are average #3's. Lewis isn't a legit receiving TE in any shape or form, I love his ability to block, but TE threat? No.

ESB is garbage. At best your #7.

So outside of Kittle who were the receivers JImmy G was throwing to last night?

In New England, outside of the Moss/Welker era and now Gronk, who did Tom Brady have????

Thanks

 

[pacmaniac]

You should definitely care about the special teams. They were literally responsible for 13 total points on their own.

The offense wasn't good enough, but they literally probably win the game if they get only one of a field goal or punt blocked and not both. It was one of the most horrific special teams performances ever, and it was disgustingly predictable.

It was predictable, exactly. Special teams sucked all year, and predictably they sucked last night. We always knew the offense would need to do enough to compensate for that. The offense and Aaron Rodgers failed big time last night.

 

[pacmaniac]

Funny/Sad thing too about that final FG, the 10 Packers out there seemed to assume they couldn't block it, even with the season on the line. Compare their effort with the 49'ers effort when they blocked a non-game winning attempted field goal. Pathetic coaching of those special teams units is all I can draw from that.

"Hey I counted 10 guys, oh hell, it won't matter anyway, we never could block a FG?"

Probably less about effort than they figured out a weakness to exploit. Remember after the 2014 loss, Seattle said they exploited something they saw on film against our special teams. The 9ers probably did the same last night.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So outside of Kittle who were the receivers JImmy G was throwing to last night?

In New England, outside of the Moss/Welker era and now Gronk, who did Tom Brady have????

Thanks

First of all, I am not making the claim that the 49'ers are a juggernaut when it comes to receivers, but they do have Deebo Samuel, Kittle and Aiyuk and prior to his injury Sanu. If you noticed, Jimmy G was able to find open guys and spread the ball around last night. The question is why can't Rodgers do the same when he is heavily rushed? My answer was that it isn't just that he only looks for Adams, with the little time he has, but he doesn't have an abundance of weapons anymore. Whether you want to blame Rodgers for not finding the occasional open "other guy" or you want to blame the Packers for not finding guys that consistently get open and catch the ball, that would be a good discussion and one we have had before.

The Pats were able to get it done a lot of different ways. I honestly don't follow them at all, although I recognize the names.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Probably less about effort than they figured out a weakness to exploit. Remember after the 2014 loss, Seattle said they exploited something they saw on film against our special teams. The 9ers probably did the same last night.

In other words, the 49'ers have a coach that works hard at trying to find the weaknesses of the other teams ST's units? Their ST coordinator must have raised the table he was sitting at 4-6" or so when he started watching Drayton's units on film.

 

[kevans74]

First of all, I am not making the claim that the 49'ers are a juggernaut when it comes to receivers, but they do have Deebo Samuel, Kittle and Aiyuk and prior to his injury Sanu. If you noticed, Jimmy G was able to find open guys and spread the ball around last night. The question is why can't Rodgers do the same when he is heavily rushed? My answer was that it isn't just that he only looks for Adams, with the little time he has, but he doesn't have an abundance of weapons anymore. Whether you want to blame Rodgers for not finding the occasional open "other guy" or you want to blame the Packers for not finding guys that consistently get open and catch the ball, that would be a good discussion and one we have had before.

The Pats were able to get it done a lot of different ways. I honestly don't follow them at all, although I recognize the names.

Sure, I totally get the 1st point, so concerning AR only...

Eventually the guy just has to go on a tear and string together 3 playoff games where he "takes over" and just "owns/controls the playoffs", much the same way MJ used to do This is regardless of his supporting cast around him, AR just has to find a way to "make it happen". And he has proven time and time, year after year, that he cannot do that. Period.

 

[Team Ronny]

I guess home field really doesn't matter anymore. It certainly hasn't helped our team get over the hump.

 

[MadCat]

The problem there is Rodgers gets flustered..then keeps trying to force it to Adam's. The te's were pretty useless..why was lewis' a fumble..but not the 49’ers guy..both did same thing after catch.

I agree on the forcing to Adams, that’s been about my only gripe with Rodgers. It was clear he didn’t want to take any risks and didn’t trust the others.

But on the other hand, the WRs weren’t getting open last night and Rodgers, who has had the luxury of lots of time in the pocket this season, simply didn’t have that last night. He had very little time back there and struggled to get outside the pocket, so I’m not surprised he was flustered, although I’m not sure I would call it that. I think he was just not effective under the that kind of pressure.

 

[tynimiller]

First of all, I am not making the claim that the 49'ers are a juggernaut when it comes to receivers, but they do have Deebo Samuel, Kittle and Aiyuk and prior to his injury Sanu. If you noticed, Jimmy G was able to find open guys and spread the ball around last night. The question is why can't Rodgers do the same when he is heavily rushed? My answer was that it isn't just that he only looks for Adams, with the little time he has, but he doesn't have an abundance of weapons anymore. Whether you want to blame Rodgers for not finding the occasional open "other guy" or you want to blame the Packers for not finding guys that consistently get open and catch the ball, that would be a good discussion and one we have had before.

The Pats were able to get it done a lot of different ways. I honestly don't follow them at all, although I recognize the names.

Honestly, many would argue MLF system works better when you don’t have a Adams type guy that deserves the offense to run through. It works best when multiple facets are being used and attacked with. It’s why we’ve seen him succeed when Adams is out over the years.

Now for some that would read this as advocating we are better off without Rodgers and Adams - absolutely not saying that, but clearly this approach continues to fail…and we may end up getting to see a different approach because of this.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Eventually the guy just has to go on a tear and string together 3 playoff games where he "takes over" and just "owns/controls the playoffs", much the same way MJ used to do This is regardless of his supporting cast around him, AR just has to find a way to "make it happen". And he has proven time and time, year after year, that he cannot do that. Period.

I don't think he lacks the confidence to do that, but going back to the days where he had a decent WR room, he often lacked the defenses to stay ahead in the big games.

Again, I am not trying to deflect the blame from Rodgers, because he does seem to get tunnel vision on Davante, when he gets into games where he is heavily pressured. I just don't know how you fix that, if he doesn't have better receiver talent.

I know Gute tried to land OBJ, but I really wonder how last nights game would have played out, had he been a Packer.

 

[McKnowledge]

Shanahan has the killer gene from his old man. His aggressiveness in play-calling, and aggressiveness in general fuels that 49ers team. His legacy is growing stronger.

He has tough gritty players that persevere and find ways to make an impact. I have a lot of respect for Deebo Samuel. He took some vicious shots and kept playing.

Kittle is a monster. Respect to G-Po.

LaFleur needs to learn how to be more aggressive and dictate the pace as opposed to sticking to a script.

I'm not sure if its because of Rodgers' decisions or LaFleur unwilling to drop the collaborative players coach approach, but Lafleur needs to be more of a CEO.

He can definitely send a message and that begins with getting rid of STC Drayton.

 

[gopkrs]

Honestly, many would argue MLF system works better when you don’t have a Adams type guy that deserves the offense to run through. It works best when multiple facets are being used and attacked with. It’s why we’ve seen him succeed when Adams is out over the years.

Now for some that would read this as advocating we are better off without Rodgers and Adams - absolutely not saying that, but clearly this approach continues to fail…and we may end up getting to see a different approach because of this.

I agree. It's why LaFleur will need to have two years post ARod to show us he is a bona fide coach. No excuses. Just do the best you can. Let us see he makes good choices.

 

[Team Ronny]

I agree on the forcing to Adams, that’s been about my only gripe with Rodgers. It was clear he didn’t want to take any risks and didn’t trust the others.

But on the other hand, the WRs weren’t getting open last night and Rodgers, who has had the luxury of lots of time in the pocket this season, simply didn’t have that last night. He had very little time back there and struggled to get outside the pocket, so I’m not surprised he was flustered, although I’m not sure I would call it that. I think he was just not effective under the that kind of pressure.

That seems to happen alot with him.

 

[Mondio]

So outside of Kittle who were the receivers JImmy G was throwing to last night?

In New England, outside of the Moss/Welker era and now Gronk, who did Tom Brady have????

Thanks

nobody and their offense scored 3 points BFD.

 

[Pugger]

You should definitely care about the special teams. They were literally responsible for 13 total points on their own.

The offense wasn't good enough, but they literally probably win the game if they get only one of a field goal or punt blocked and not both. It was one of the most horrific special teams performances ever, and it was disgustingly predictable.

I wish I could give your post more than one "like".

 

[melvin dangerr]

Keep smiling Melvin.

I’ll do it Bill, thanks, had a big sip of whining juice, going to to be a long off season, YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF

 

[tynimiller]

I agree on the forcing to Adams, that’s been about my only gripe with Rodgers. It was clear he didn’t want to take any risks and didn’t trust the others.

But on the other hand, the WRs weren’t getting open last night and Rodgers, who has had the luxury of lots of time in the pocket this season, simply didn’t have that last night. He had very little time back there and struggled to get outside the pocket, so I’m not surprised he was flustered, although I’m not sure I would call it that. I think he was just not effective under the that kind of pressure.

Folks Rodgers himself even said there were multiple times looking at plays after he missed Lazard and went elsewhere. Sad truth is he simply doesn’t progress through options a ton, if it isn’t Adams it is Jones or back to Adams often. Which as good as Adams is it makes sense, but to pretend like no one else was getting open isn’t true.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I’ll do it Bill, thanks, had a big sip of whining juice, going to to be a long off season, YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF

You too my friend

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Now for some that would read this as advocating we are better off without Rodgers and Adams - absolutely not saying that, but clearly this approach continues to fail…and we may end up getting to see a different approach because of this.

Ultimately, the Packers might agree with you and make the decision to move on from their 2 main offensive weapons. Or that decision gets made for them when 1 or both of them make their decision that they are done in GB. I doubt Adams stays if Rodgers is gone and probably vice versa.

 

[Pugger]

The problem there is Rodgers gets flustered..then keeps trying to force it to Adam's. The te's were pretty useless..why was lewis' a fumble..but not the 49’ers guy..both did same thing after catch.

There was one other penalty on Lazard who flinched after SF came into the neutral zone but he got the flag.

 

[Pugger]

true, but how do you think brady would look in a game that's 10 degrees with 1 WR and no TE worth a crap and an Oline, good or bad, playing like ours did last night (specifically at the tackle position)?

I'd love to ask MLF why Nijman didn't play...

 

[melvin dangerr]

Don’t want to hear anymore about the advantage of GB having the #1 seed, a Myth! You have a west coast 6 seed come into your advantaged house, with your advantaged crowd, and beat you on your advantaged field with a second rate QB going up against the leagues MVP and making the plays he should have made, getting #1 seed has had its advantages for the other teams, still no news of Dayton firing

 

[Pugger]

Ultimately, the Packers might agree with you and make the decision to move on from their 2 main offensive weapons. Or that decision gets made for them when 1 or both of them make their decision that they are done in GB. I doubt Adams stays if Rodgers is gone and probably vice versa.

Rodgers is not a FA so unless we trade him or he retires he will be playing for us in 2022.