Studs Duds Brown's edition

[Carl 2]

Studs: Jamaal Williams (again)
Clay Matthews
Davante Adams
Trevor Davis's timely punt return.
1st quarter fake punt. Bold.
Hundley the runner.
And.....Believe it or not.....Damarious Randall. GB moved him over to cover Josh Gordon after Gordon's touchdown. Gordon had one catch for the rest of the game.

Duds: Needing OT to beat the winless Browns.
First half offense (after initial drive).
Making DeShon Kizer look like Tom Brady at times.

It's easily believable Randall was a stud considering his performances of late.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

It's easily believable Randall was a stud considering his performances of late.

It's an encouraging sign. If he can continue to play at that level, and next year Kevin King can come back and deliver, GB may have a couple of decent corners.

 

[NJPackfan..]

They certainly didn't need to go deep to Adams vs. Pittsburgh and it was a TD. Wasn't third and 1, but the pass was still way more than needed.

Have to take shots sometimes.

The Packers for years have hit big pass plays on third and short.

Take shots on first and second downs. On third down you just go for the first down marker.

 

[Half Empty]

Unless it's Starr to Dowler/Dale.

 

[Carl 2]

Take shots on first and second downs. On third down you just go for the first down marker.

Did you disagree with the deep Adams TD at Pittsburgh?

Again, the Packers often have success taking shots on 3rd down.

 

[Mondio]

Take shots on first and second downs. On third down you just go for the first down marker.

Unless they're all defending the marker and it's open over the top and a lot of times for far more than a 1st down. it can flip field position, or result in long TD's. The only issue I have is Hundley doesn't seem to be the best at throwing down field, and to be more effective of an offense he has to hit on a few of those. If all they do is line up and run to the sticks, it will be 3 and out every time.

 

[PikeBadger]

They certainly didn't need to go deep to Adams vs. Pittsburgh and it was a TD. Wasn't third and 1, but the pass was still way more than needed.

Have to take shots sometimes.

The Packers for years have hit big pass plays on third and short.

All the way back to the 1960’s. Starr was famous for throwing a play action bomb on 3rd and 1.

 

[PikeBadger]

It's an encouraging sign. If he can continue to play at that level, and next year Kevin King can come back and deliver, GB may have a couple of decent corners.

Only if we can generate a consistently effective pass rush. We’ll have 11 draft picks next spring. I’m hoping for DL, OLB, DB, WR in some order in the first 4 rounds.

 

[easyk83]

It's easily believable Randall was a stud considering his performances of late.

Randall has been a stud for weeks now, posters are leery of backing down from early prognostications. Guys I want you all to know something, I'm just an ******* who likes watching football. I do not in fact have any special knowledge of the sport and I'm probably as wrong as often as I'm right, and you know what that's ok.

 

[Half Empty]

All the way back to the 1960’s. Starr was famous for throwing a play action bomb on 3rd and 1.

Yup, post #104

 

[OldSchool101]

The Packers for years have hit big pass plays on third and short

The thing that gets me is when we run consistently on 1st down and get 2 yards. Then when we need 2 feet in 3rd down situations, we throw a 30 Pass for an incompletion I wasn’t the only one thinking that seemed strange, on Sunday the announcer said the same thing moments later. You might do that successfully with elite QBs... but Hundley isn’t there just yet.

 

[OldSchool101]

Only if we can generate a consistently effective pass rush. We’ll have 11 draft picks next spring. I’m hoping for DL, OLB, DB, WR in some order in the first 4 rounds.

I’m thinking similar. Except I’m thinking grabbing us a 1st round OLB if available first. Then going DT round 2 (maybe using a comp pick along with our second pick to trade into the early 2nd round if our guy is there)
Then bolstering that with a second tier veteran OLB with proven pass rush skills through FA on a multiple but short term 2-3 year deal where we can keep his annual Cap under 5-9M annual range. We initially had the right philosophy monetary wise at TE but that should’ve been an OLB to replace Peppers. We could’ve still signed Kendrick’s and ran with Rodgers as our #2 until 2018.
RR deserves the #2 slot he’s reliable. We essentially loaded up at TE (when we should’ve loaded up at OLB) and thereby put a seasoned #2 TE on the bench. That’s a poor use of efficiency after RR has a full grip on the playbook and lack of prioritizing the greatest need. We could’ve staggered the TE position over 2 years by signing one in 2017 and another in 2018. Instead we tried to stagger at OLB.
Yes I realize I have the benefit of hindsight but it also doesn’t take hindsight to see we didn’t need to go all in at TE. We just lost Elliott, Datone and a one Julius Peppers. It doesn’t take a years hindsight to figure out we needed to fill that crater. A position that we all knew we needed to improve upon going into 2017 FA basically went deficient.
No Ahmad Brooks type would completely fill that hole... that was a desperate last minute attempt by TT to put a patch on it and then turn around, fold your arms ...and smile and pretend your happy. Sooner or later someone always falls into a patched crater.

 

[BrokenArrow]

According to the postgame, it was Hundley.

Perfect call that is easily a 1st down if he pitches the ball.

And the point is that it failed when we needed points and 3 points would have sufficed. Why do you trade 3 points for a chance at 7 points when 3 does the job?

 

[Mondio]

And the point is that it failed when we needed points and 3 points would have sufficed. Why do you trade 3 points for a chance at 7 points when 3 does the job?

But it wouldn't have, we were down by 7, it would have only given us 3. We were at the 10 with a yard or less to go for 4 more downs and with a team that needed to start scoring TD's if anything was going to mean something. It was only the 2nd quarter. Lots of football left to adjust to if they kicked it, made a TD or failed on the 4th down. I would have been ok with either decision really.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Only if we can generate a consistently effective pass rush. We’ll have 11 draft picks next spring. I’m hoping for DL, OLB, DB, WR in some order in the first 4 rounds.

Our two best outside pass rushers currently are Clay Matthews, who's getting on in years, and Nick Perry, who is hurt a lot. Haven't seen anything yet from either Fackrell or Beigel, though I'll give the latter a pass for now.

This team definitely needs to restock at edge-rusher, and the elite ones (think Von Miller, Khalil Mack) are generally gone by the 5th pick or so in the draft. That leaves getting a second-tier in the middle of the first round or hoping you get lucky later on. It's a tall order, hoping for the best.

 

[AmishMafia]

And the point is that it failed when we needed points and 3 points would have sufficed. Why do you trade 3 points for a chance at 7 points when 3 does the job?

We traded A CHANCE At 3 points via a chance at 7 pts.

There are a lot of issues in play here as well. Coaches vote of confidence; momentum; opponent motivation/demotivation; likliness of success (i think the play called was a film study special they knew would be there.) etc. I have no problem especially because it was a great play call. Hundley definitely F'd the pooch unfortunately, but I actually like the decision and play call.

 

[Carl 2]

We traded A CHANCE At 3 points via a chance at 7 pts.

There are a lot of issues in play here as well. Coaches vote of confidence; momentum; opponent motivation/demotivation; likliness of success (i think the play called was a film study special they knew would be there.) etc. I have no problem especially because it was a great play call. Hundley definitely F'd the pooch unfortunately, but I actually like the decision and play call.

Upon watching the play again, if Jones makes one guy miss he could have a TD.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Randall has been a stud for weeks now, posters are leery of backing down from early prognostications. Guys I want you all to know something, I'm just an ******* who likes watching football. I do not in fact have any special knowledge of the sport and I'm probably as wrong as often as I'm right, and you know what that's ok.

Yeah, actually, Randall's played pretty well since his banishment from the sidelines.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Our two best outside pass rushers currently are Clay Matthews, who's getting on in years, and Nick Perry, who is hurt a lot. Haven't seen anything yet from either Fackrell or Beigel, though I'll give the latter a pass for now.

This team definitely needs to restock at edge-rusher, and the elite ones (think Von Miller, Khalil Mack) are generally gone by the 5th pick or so in the draft. That leaves getting a second-tier in the middle of the first round or hoping you get lucky later on. It's a tall order, hoping for the best.

While it's unrealistic to expect the Packers being able to add an elite outside pass rusher in 2018 the team definitely has to invest more into the outside linebacker position than Thompson did this offseason.

 

[easyk83]

While it's unrealistic to expect the Packers being able to add an elite outside pass rusher in 2018 the team definitely has to invest more into the outside linebacker position than Thompson did this offseason.

Even if it's just to develop some projects they need to make the investment. Biegel has flashed some ability but he probably needs to add a good 10 pounds of muscle this offseason before he can become a reliable player, of course with the additional weight maybe he loses a step like Fackrell. I'd still go with BVA in rounds 1 and 2 and then maybe look for some underdeveloped but talented types in rounds 3-6.

 

[Poppa San]

I'd still go with BVA in rounds 1 and 2 and then maybe look for some underdeveloped but talented types in rounds 3-6.

You really should send this innovative drafting method to Ted.

 

[Mondio]

This is my draft plan, round 1 future pro bowl OLB, round 2- future pro bowl DT. Round 3 probowl DB. Round 4 another probowl Tackle. 5? you guessed it, pro bowl Safety with Collins like speed and love for contact. 6? Pro bowl TE and 7th? any pro bowler will do and possible HOF candidate. Sprinkle in some pro bowl WR's with the compensatory picks and I'd call that a successful draft.

 

[AmishMafia]

This is my draft plan, round 1 future pro bowl OLB, round 2- future pro bowl DT. Round 3 probowl DB. Round 4 another probowl Tackle. 5? you guessed it, pro bowl Safety with Collins like speed and love for contact. 6? Pro bowl TE and 7th? any pro bowler will do and possible HOF candidate. Sprinkle in some pro bowl WR's with the compensatory picks and I'd call that a successful draft.

Wow! I'm thinking we just found our replacement for TT!


PS. you forgot our compensatory picks. I would recommend a HOF QB, OG, and NT. Might as well fill out our bench.

 

[Mondio]

Wow! I'm thinking we just found our replacement for TT!


PS. you forgot our compensatory picks. I would recommend a HOF QB, OG, and NT. Might as well fill out our bench.

those are sprinkled in there

 

[Mondio]

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!!! I screwed up. I forgot a pro bowl inside linebacker. now they all have a reason to complain again