Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Mondio]

If he truly cared about his "legacy" why would he want to alienate the team he's played for his entire career and its fans? He's like every other athlete - looking out for #1.

regardless, winning a super bowl enhances all of that. Losing doesn't help either.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If he truly cared about his "legacy" why would he want to alienate the team he's played for his entire career and its fans? He's like every other athlete - looking out for #1.

I do believe that Aaron likes his teammates, fans, organization, etc. but he is just unhappy in Green Bay due to what he perceives as a lack of respect and appreciation by the FO. How and why he got there, while interesting, fascinating, debatable and fun conversation, knowing those answers probably won't resolve anything. This has been slowly building up steam for several years and should/did everyone see it coming? I think so.

As far as his legacy, I think he cares more about his accomplishments, more than he does for the team(s) that he accomplishes them on. After all, other greats have crafted great legacy's on more than just one team. He also has a point, the Packers won't cease to exist without him, no matter if he retires or plays for another team.

If his feet are firmly dug in and the odds of him playing in GB are remote at best, unless his "demands" are met, I don't even really want him back. This isn't convincing Brett Favre to keep playing the game, its convincing a head strong individual that his beliefs were incorrect and all is well. If that is the case, as much as I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers just force him to retire, I would prefer to trade him ASAP and at least salvage something out of a very skilled and talented QB. More importantly, forcing him into retirement and preventing him from playing again, I don't think ages well for the Packer organization.

 

[PackAttack12]

if you are referring to you trying to compare Rodgers with Brady, i didn't comment on it for 3 reasons. One, I really don't follow Brady, nor do I know anything about him running Jimmy G out of Town. Two, Rodgers and Brady are 2 different people on 2 different teams and what one does or doesnt do, shouldn't make it ok or wrong for the other. Third, I'm so sick of "Brady VS Rodgers analysis" for all the same reasons I just stated.

All I'm saying is that Brady did something quite similar to what Rodgers is doing and Brady is Mr. family. Perfect husband, father, son, etc., yet when Rodgers does it we have to bring his personal life into it. And if I recall, you have been one that's always left the personal stuff out of the equation with Rodgers in the past, but now because it's convenient with you and your viewpoint, it's fair game.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

If it wasn't for the billionaires, there wouldn't be $40 million contracts. Whether you like it or not, it's the damn truth. These guys definitely wreck their bodies, but that is their choice also, to pick football as their profession. I'm by no means a rich man, but I also know my employer needs to make money, pay the bills, and re-invest in the company, so I can continue to have a job. They have to make real decisions about the business "team" and I'm an employee, and do what they ask me to, because I don't own the business, I just work for them. I'm in middle management, make a decent living that provides for my family, but some of these guys make more in 3hours on a game day check, than I make in a year, so don't act like they are poor and getting peanuts. I have worked for the same company for 32 years, working on 33. I see P&L statements all the time, yes some businesses make a boat load of money, but not all. The "NFL" makes a hell of a lot more money than "teams" do, and there are a lot of teams that don't flow a lot to the bottom line, while others do more than their share, which helps keep the brand stable.. this is true in real life jobs, just like mine. This team is also different in that we don't have 1 owner. The Packers put a competitive team on the field year in and year out...I think we are pretty fortunate that this team has been run pretty f'n good since the early 90's... regardless of "only" having 2 Super Bowl victories and 3 appearances. Try being a Lions or Browns fan, which neither has even had a chance to sniff one.

NFL teams are tax shelters and free money via city funded stadiums. Cry me a river about NFL owners all you want, the players add far more value than the owners but the owners know playing careers are short and are willing to lock out players.

Always strange to see ppl screaming about the rights of the monarchy over the serfs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

All I'm saying is that Brady did something quite similar to what Rodgers is doing and Brady is Mr. family. Perfect husband, father, son, etc., yet when Rodgers does it we have to bring his personal life into it. And if I recall, you have been one that's always left the personal stuff out of the equation with Rodgers in the past, but now because it's convenient with you and your viewpoint, it's fair game.

Without digging up all my old posts on Rodgers personal life. Here is how I always felt. Those wanting to try to point to his personal life as effecting his play on the field, I would say "let it go". We all have personal lives and its a part of who we are and we deal with it during all phases of our lives. Rodgers has been performing at a high level most of his career, through good and the bad of things that probably effect him personally. So saying "He treats his brother bad, no wonder he doesn't throw the ball to ....." or "He is as big of a ******* on the field as he was to him family" seems like a stretch to me and people just wanting to make noise. Now if he was a Jacka$$ to teammates and created a bad locker room culture, that is something to talk about.

As far as bringing his personal life up now, this isn't talking about Aaron Rodgers the player, its talking about Aaron Rodgers the decision maker off the field. So yes, I think you need to look back at his big life decisions and look for patterns. Do you think he is approaching this much different than a relationship with a GF or family member? Do you think he is feeling like this is Draft Night 2005 all over again?

 

[swhitset]

This is the most RIDICULOUS post I've ever seen

irony

 

[Pkrjones]

Him threatening to retire if they don't trade him won't change any of that either and would only put himself at a loss as he'd end up having to sit out at least a season before he unretired and got back into football with another team. But business would continue as usual in 1265. Of course, maybe he would see a year off as a chance to spend more time with his fiance, get married, and have a longer honeymoon.

AR retiring doesn't release him from his contract or the Packers rights to him. His remaining bonus$ on the cap rolls up and is charged in the current year ($38Mil dead $ hitting the '21 cap) but his rights remain with the Packers unless they foolishly release him.

I'm a believer that GB & Denver already have deal in place for 6/01 sending AR (& maybe Stokes) to Denver for Surtain & multiple #1's. This would spread out his $37Mil cap hit over '21 & '22. IF this isnt' the situation AND AR is dead-set on retiring he would do it before 6/01 to maximize ********-over GB on the salary cap. He would owe GB around $30Mil in unearned SB & roster bonus but he'll do what he feels is in his best interest.

Rookie OTA's are scheduled for 5/17-5/21; All-team OTA's are 5/24-6/18 so we'll know something IF Stokes & Surtain don't participate on 5/17.

 

[Mondio]

Absolutely awesome. The best analysis by far that I’ve seen or heard on the current situation. Everyone here should read this article.

we must share a brain

 

[longtimefan]

All I'm saying is that Brady did something quite similar to what Rodgers is doing and Brady is Mr. family. Perfect husband, father, son, etc., yet when Rodgers does it we have to bring his personal life into it. And if I recall, you have been one that's always left the personal stuff out of the equation with Rodgers in the past, but now because it's conenient with you and your viewpoint, it's fair game.

I believe Bradys Contract was up? If so...cant compare the 2.
Big difference

 

[longtimefan]

.@BobMcGinn reporting in @TheAthletic this morning that #Packers have offered to make Rodgers highest paid QB but were rejected; Rodgers mocking Gutey to teammates, calling him “Jerry Krause” (former Bulls GM disliked by MJ)
Ugly rift = ??

 

[PackAttack12]

Without digging up all my old posts on Rodgers personal life. Here is how I always felt. Those wanting to try to point to his personal life as effecting his play on the field, I would say "let it go". We all have personal lives and its a part of who we are and we deal with it during all phases of our lives. Rodgers has been performing at a high level most of his career, through good and the bad of things that probably effect him personally. So saying "He treats his brother bad, no wonder he doesn't throw the ball to ....." or "He is as big of a ******* on the field as he was to him family" seems like a stretch to me and people just wanting to make noise. Now if he was a Jacka$$ to teammates and created a bad locker room culture, that is something to talk about.

As far as bringing his personal life up now, this isn't talking about Aaron Rodgers the player, its talking about Aaron Rodgers the decision maker off the field. So yes, I think you need to look back at his big life decisions and look for patterns. Do you think he is approaching this much different than a relationship with a GF or family member? Do you think he is feeling like this is Draft Night 2005 all over again?

Rodgers could be Mr. Rodgers off the field and be handling this the exact same way, just the same way the saint Tom Brady forced Jimmy G out of New England. You see? Perceived family drama or lack thereof doesn't translate to handling of professional business.

You're simply reaching for anything you can get your hands on to justify your position, while completely ignoring other very valid points.

Really don't think we're getting anywhere with this. But I won't block you. Promise.

 

[longtimefan]

Wasnt Brady engaged and got another girl pregnat?

 

[PackAttack12]

I believe Bradys Contract was up? If so...cant compare the 2.
Big difference

Brady forced Jimmy G out in October of 2017. The prior year (2016), he had just signed a 2 year extension that put him on the books through the 2019 season.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers could be Mr. Rodgers off the field and be handling this the exact same way, just the same way the saint Tom Brady forced Jimmy G out of New England. You see? Perceived family drama or lack thereof doesn't translate to handling of professional business.

You're simply reaching for anything you can get your hands on to justify your position, while completely ignoring other very valid points.

Really don't think we're getting anywhere with this. But I won't block you. Promise.

I won't block you either, but if I irritate, belittle or harass you, feel free to do me!

As far as my position, I have loved Rodgers his entire career with the Packers, very little that he did or didn't do had changed that up until this point. Matter of fact, as you pointed out, I often defended the guy here and to friends. Call it a hot button with me, but when players start to try to manipulate the system and force the FO to deviate from the "norm", my hackles go up. Contracts are getting less and less important to players and that bothers me as well.

I don't know how you can't weigh in his personality and how he operates in life when it comes to this situation. For me it has very little to do with Football and everything to do with a relationship. The football pieces just factor into what level of importance this makes the decision for both sides.

 

[Zartan]

Time to lay down the wood and make my official prediction. Aaron Rodgers will not be a Packer come June 5th a team will offer kings ransom for him and with him being super unhappy he will be shipped off.

Also if Rodgers leaves there is 0% chance Adams stays, so if I were FO I would trade Adams while we can get something for him. If Rodgers is gone the season is a wash anyway may as well make bank in draft picks.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Time to lay down the wood and make my official prediction. Aaron Rodgers will not be a Packer come June 5th a team will offer kings ransom for him and with him being super unhappy he will be shipped off.

Also if Rodgers leaves there is 0% chance Adams stays, so if I were FO I would trade Adams while we can get something for him. If Rodgers is gone the season is a wash anyway may as well make bank in draft picks.

I agree, but I think some Packer fans are going to be a bit disappointed in the contents of this "Kings Ransom". Yes, Rodgers is an extremely talented QB, that could potentially set the right team up to be a SB contender for the next 3-5 years. However, he is 37 and as this drags out and more crap gets tossed into the growing pile of crap, some teams might be hesitant of wanting to take on his baggage if the cost and length of commitment is too high. Let's not fool ourselves, the Raiders, Broncos, etc. wouldn't be getting a clean shaven choir boy in a trade. They would be running the risk of his personality changing the dynamics and chemistry of their locker room at the expense of a big price tag (new long term deal and loss of draft capital).

I also agree on Davante. Love the guy, but if the Rodgers situation changes him wanting to be in GB, then he probably won't resign, get what you can, while you can, at the very top of his market value. I actually think Davante might fetch close to, if not more than Rodgers would in a trade.

 

[longtimefan]

If Jeopardy doesnt pick Aaron, he will not watch the show ever again.

That will teach them

 

[sschind]

Time to lay down the wood and make my official prediction. Aaron Rodgers will not be a Packer come June 5th a team will offer kings ransom for him and with him being super unhappy he will be shipped off.

Also if Rodgers leaves there is 0% chance Adams stays, so if I were FO I would trade Adams while we can get something for him. If Rodgers is gone the season is a wash anyway may as well make bank in draft picks.

I wouldn't say that about Adams unless he is Aaron's BFF. If he is its 3 more years before he's gone. Last year of his contract and 2 years of franchise.

 

[PackAttack12]

Let's not fool ourselves, the Raiders, Broncos, etc. wouldn't be getting a clean shaven choir boy in a trade. They would be running the risk of his personality changing the dynamics and chemistry of their locker room

This is the biggest bunch of drivel I've ever heard.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wouldn't say that about Adams unless he is Aaron's BFF. If he is its 3 more years before he's gone. Last year of his contract and 2 years of franchise.

I think you are being facetious with the last part? Maybe not.

If the Rodgers situation turns into a trade or his retirement, any "player left behind" that is disgruntled or wants out of GB because of it, I would probably purge while they still have value. Otherwise, its going to be a lingering hangover for a few years. If it becomes a rebuild, might as well go all in on it and clean house of anyone still holding onto the leader of the last regime.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This is the biggest bunch of drivel I've ever heard.

Right, because currently Aaron is wearing stark white, without any dirt on it?

What did the Packers get for Brett Favre?

 

[PikeBadger]

we must share a brain

For your sake, I hope not.

 

[longtimefan]

Leroy butler made a odd point.

If Rodgers holds grudges so much. How is he friends with Favre?

 

[mongoosev]

This is the most RIDICULOUS post I've ever seen

why? humans will do things not sensible when they think irrational and out of spite. rodgers is not different. and most of us thought it was rod's family that was the one causing the problems for rod. it all makes sense now. anyway...the guy isn't coming back.

 

[easyk83]

The reality is this, Gute knew that at some point, it was inevitable that the face of the franchise was done in GB. Whether it was 2020 due to an injury, 2021 due to decline in play, 2022 due to cost exceeding play, etc. That time was approaching but exactly when, unknown. Heck, Rodgers could beat the odds and play past his current contract and if he is still playing well, the Packers only decision is what to do with Love.

So what does a good manager do in that situation? He starts thinking about his contingency plans and maybe even insurance. Well Gute saw both in the 2020 draft in Love and at a reasonable price. Definitely not an immediate solution or even a 1-2 year one, but a possible player within an affordable price, that just might be the insurance against the unknown.

It has been said many times, but can't say it enough, none of us are hear having this conversation if Rodgers season was pedestrian or he had gotten hurt. It wasn't and here we are, same situation magnified even more because AR wants it to be.

Which is exactly it, hell Rodgers could exceed expectations and still play at a top level till he's 43-44 and if thats the case great. But the reality of this business is simple, there are no guarantees. Aaron could have be walking down some stairs at a restaurant, a drunk bumps into him he falls and there you have it career over. This scenario says nothing of the reality that any given snap could be his last. Given his age and career posture, yes a good management office should have a plan for the future.

Im going to move back to the current thread, with respect to respecting him, I think his frustration has been that he's been unable to win it all in the way that he wants to win it all. The first time we heard reports of him being unhappy came out in 15 when Nelson went down with that ACL in the preseason and the offense cratered after 4 games. MM finally started installing man beater routes(which might have gotten us to the super bowl the year prior) and Aaron was near openly opposed. He preferred a run n shoot style spread iso.

Then for the ensuing years Rodgers resisted the teams efforts to install more balance to the offense, ie run more consistently and Aaron resisted this as well and had a habit of checking out of run plays. Finally he relents and has the best year of his career just this last season.

With respect to supporting cast, he has no shortage of offensive talent. It doesnt matter if you draft a receiver in the first when you can get one of the best receivers in football in the second. In addition I'd point out that while the drafts have been defensive heavy as a necessity, thanks to the Capers era blackhole of player development, we have been drafting quality offensive players all along. Aaron Jones Davante Adams, David Bakhtiari Corey Linsley and Elgton Jenkins were a better supporting caste than what most QBs have in this league.

As a personality he's headstrong hypercompetitive and stubborn, which seem to be common qualities in high level athletes. I think he just saw Tom Brady go elsewhere and win it all and I think he's desperate to do exactly that once or twice more. Thing is he may want the team to go all in for a super bowl right now, but how often do teams doing that succeed at doing anything more than setting the roster back for years. So from Rodgers perspective his wants and the teams wants are irreconcilable.