Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

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My question is this - Big bad Aaron Rodgers, Mr. Know it all, Mr. It wasn't my fault. If my QB doesn't at that point when it becomes 4th down, if he doesn't demand that he can win it and scream and holler to the mountain tops WE ARE GOING FOR THE WIN! then said QB is a wuss. If he is so damn smart and all knowing, he should have demanded that they go for broke. But he didn't, did he. I'm pretty damn sure that Favre would have had the sack to do it along 4 or 5 other QB's that have moxie. He has none. He blames and whines. Why would he respect a coaches decision then when he could blame everybody else later?

i think it was intentional on roger's part to fail. it was his way at getting a back at management. and i wouldn't be surprised considering you pointing out his character that does seem fit that demeanor to get back at people or to shun them out of his life. the guy is talented but i think he has personal issues that gets the best of him.
 

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Look, whichever side you're on, at least they've given us something juicy to stridently, and pointlessly, argue about.
 

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maybe he knew it was his last year? sounds logical. also, let me throw out another theory out there. he took them that far only to sabotage the chances of going to the SB last year. gotta think about it, he had so many chances and opportunities to get it done but just like that he failed. also, and this rift between the office didn't just start that would cause him to want to be traded or retire. it all makes sense now but like i said just speculation on my part.

Yeah, I’m sure the guy who cares about his legacy more than anything self sabotaged his chance at a SB.
 

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i think it was intentional on roger's part to fail. it was his way at getting a back at management. and i wouldn't be surprised considering you pointing out his character that does seem fit that demeanor to get back at people or to shun them out of his life. the guy is talented but i think he has personal issues that gets the best of him.

I have read some really stupid things here, and on Twitter, and I think this might take the cake. Congratulations!
 

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My question is this - Big bad Aaron Rodgers, Mr. Know it all, Mr. It wasn't my fault. If my QB doesn't at that point when it becomes 4th down, if he doesn't demand that he can win it and scream and holler to the mountain tops WE ARE GOING FOR THE WIN! then said QB is a wuss. If he is so damn smart and all knowing, he should have demanded that they go for broke. But he didn't, did he. I'm pretty damn sure that Favre would have had the sack to do it along 4 or 5 other QB's that have moxie. He has none. He blames and whines. Why would he respect a coaches decision then when he could blame everybody else later?

Lol, and then half this forum would want to crucify him for daring to defy LaFleur.
 

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You didn't miss the post, you deleted that specific part out of what you quoted me on. I'm sure you won't have a tough time finding it.
if you are referring to you trying to compare Rodgers with Brady, i didn't comment on it for 3 reasons. One, I really don't follow Brady, nor do I know anything about him running Jimmy G out of Town. Two, Rodgers and Brady are 2 different people on 2 different teams and what one does or doesnt do, shouldn't make it ok or wrong for the other. Third, I'm so sick of "Brady VS Rodgers analysis" for all the same reasons I just stated.
 

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It was a two possession game with the FG or without. Could it have been a difference? Maybe. But was it a significant difference? Absolutely not. That’s not why they lost.

Reid is notorious for bad decisions at the end of games. Football has existed for him prior to Mahoney.

No we were down by 8 ... Aka a TD plus a 2 point conversion

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401220402

Game recap right there if you doubt me

Now, I'll grant that perhaps if the refs hadn't decided to get all ticky tack and call King on defensive holding, it might have worked out.

On the flipside, assuming we went for it on 4th down, scored, then got the 2 pointer, it's possible then assuming that the Bucs next drive occurs as it did with that same defensive holding that they drive into FG range and kick the game winner. But it's also possible Brady could have thrown another int or their kicker miss it.

Obviously scoring a TD and getting the 2 pointer would have only tied it at that point and certainly didn't mean we win. But kicking a FG that late in the game, and leaving the lead at 5 when the Bucs led by Brady potentially only need one or two first downs to end it, usually is not going to end well.
 

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maybe he knew it was his last year? sounds logical. also, let me throw out another theory out there. he took them that far only to sabotage the chances of going to the SB last year. gotta think about it, he had so many chances and opportunities to get it done but just like that he failed. also, and this rift between the office didn't just start that would cause him to want to be traded or retire. it all makes sense now but like i said just speculation on my part.

This is the most RIDICULOUS post I've ever seen
 

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Rodgers afraid of with Love, that he beats him out? Well Rodgers pretty much put that question to bed in 2020. No, Rodgers is afraid that at some point Love is better value and the Packers make a tough but smart business decision and trade him while they can. Basically, he was mad about losing power. Rodgers likes to be in control (see his off field relationships), the drafting of Love, took some of that away from him.

And I think this is the crux of where I don't necessarily see that as true. For one, Love wouldn't become higher value than Rodgers unless he was putting up ridiculous numbers that exceeded what Rodgers did in his prime. It's not totally impossible, but the chances are about 1/1,000,000 that that happens. Maybe we each have a different idea of what QB value is, but I tie it exclusively to performance.

Now, maybe atm the Packers have had a change of heart and wouldn't do this, but some of us have guessed that the Packers would ensure that Love would be put under center by hook or by crook before his rookie contract expires. And I wouldn't say it's unprecedented for a GM or HC to kick the old guy out and put a less talented new guy in simply because he's their guy.

I guess to me, I would only trade Rodgers .... And even in this I'm not certain .... If I could load our defense up with star power. If he were to go to Denver for example, I'd demand that they surrender Von Miller and several other stars on that defense to us in exchange. At least make it so that teams understand they don't get to just steal a big chance to win the SB from us.
 

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And I think this is the crux of where I don't necessarily see that as true. For one, Love wouldn't become higher value than Rodgers unless he was putting up ridiculous numbers that exceeded what Rodgers did in his prime. It's not totally impossible, but the chances are about 1/1,000,000 that that happens. Maybe we each have a different idea of what QB value is, but I tie it exclusively to performance.

Now, maybe atm the Packers have had a change of heart and wouldn't do this, but some of us have guessed that the Packers would ensure that Love would be put under center by hook or by crook before his rookie contract expires. And I wouldn't say it's unprecedented for a GM or HC to kick the old guy out and put a less talented new guy in simply because he's their guy.

I guess to me, I would only trade Rodgers .... And even in this I'm not certain .... If I could load our defense up with star power. If he were to go to Denver for example, I'd demand that they surrender Von Miller and several other stars on that defense to us in exchange. At least make it so that teams understand they don't get to just steal a big chance to win the SB from us.

First, I don't think anyone in the know has ever publicly stated a time table for Love, seems that has been artificially created by fans and the media. Why would the Packers shove Love in if he isn't what is best for the team? For all anyone knows, Love sh*ts the bed and is out the door in 2 years.

Next, I know you know this, but reminding you, value isn't just stats. Value is what you have to pay for that performance in money, as well as the opportunity cost (what you can do with that money or the trade value of player) to keep it. You kind of hinted to understanding this at the very end of your post in a trade scenario. Right now Rodgers value to the team is way higher than Love's, no question. However, we don't know how long that will last. Rodgers already wants more money, what will he want after next year and the following? What can we get for him in trade while he has value? What is Love's trade value?

So if Rodgers is costing you $35+ Million/year and Love is costing ~$3M. Keep an eye on that $32 M difference and when it doesn't justify Rodgers being kept. That is the salary of 2 pretty decent players, not to mention the trade value.
 

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And rightly so. Comes with being a big time QB. Just another excuse. Accept the accolades, take the heat. Comes with the job. He just wants the praise apparently.

Making the point as to why us Rodgers defenders are always ready to throw the anti Rodgers crowd off of buildings. As soon as he sneezes in the wrong direction it's off to the races in the blame game.
 

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First, I don't think anyone in the know has ever publicly stated a time table for Love, seems that has been artificially created by fans and the media. Why would the Packers shove Love in if he isn't what is best for the team? For all anyone knows, Love sh*ts the bed and is out the door in 2 years.

Next, I know you know this, but reminding you, value isn't just stats. Value is what you have to pay for that performance in money, as well as the opportunity cost (what you can do with that money or the trade value of player) to keep it. You kind of hinted to understanding this at the very end of your post in a trade scenario. Right now Rodgers value to the team is way higher than Love's, no question. However, we don't know how long that will last. Rodgers already wants more money, what will he want after next year and the following? What can we get for him in trade while he has value? What is Love's trade value?

So if Rodgers is costing you $35+ Million/year and Love is costing ~$3M. Keep an eye on that $32 M difference and when it doesn't justify Rodgers being kept. That is the salary of 2 pretty decent players, not to mention the trade value.

True, and obviously the tricky factor would be trying to figure out when a QB's performance would drop off. But see, even in this, I look at what other teams have done with their aging star QBs in the past, and most of time I see them riding the wave all the way to the end. I mean, even though the Patriots technically let Brady go, they were looking at a 42 year old guy who I believe they figured they had already ridden the wave home on.

Saints could have offered Brees on the table to someone using your principle assuming that a guy like Hill, or going back to 2019 when they had Bridgewater, that someone like him being less expensive would give them that value. But there's a reason they didn't, and that's because even as well as Bridgewater played for them, they knew Brees still gave them the best chance to win.

I just see Rodgers in the same kind of light.
 

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Making the point as to why us Rodgers defenders are always ready to throw the anti Rodgers crowd off of buildings. As soon as he sneezes in the wrong direction it's off to the races in the blame game.
You just described Rodgers perfectly. How many times has he blamed someone else? I can't defend him - he's being a *******. You know it and I know it.
 

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True, and obviously the tricky factor would be trying to figure out when a QB's performance would drop off. But see, even in this, I look at what other teams have done with their aging star QBs in the past, and most of time I see them riding the wave all the way to the end. I mean, even though the Patriots technically let Brady go, they were looking at a 42 year old guy who I believe they figured they had already ridden the wave home on.

Saints could have offered Brees on the table to someone using your principle assuming that a guy like Hill, or going back to 2019 when they had Bridgewater, that someone like him being less expensive would give them that value. But there's a reason they didn't, and that's because even as well as Bridgewater played for them, they knew Brees still gave them the best chance to win.

I just see Rodgers in the same kind of light.

All things being equal, you are probably right. However, Rodgers isn't Brees or Brady, so I don't think you can expect all 3 to behave the same, nor can you treat them the same. I also don't think we have all the facts. With that, we don't fully understand the Packers vision for Rodgers and they may not have a clear vision either. I am going to continue to view Love as a cheap(er) investment and insurance policy. If Rodgers fears losing his job to him, I doubt it's due to talent. Favre was the better QB when Rodgers finally took over, but the Packers realized that it was time to move on. That time for Rodgers may be happening sooner than expected by everyone, except maybe Rodgers.
 

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You just described Rodgers perfectly. How many times has he blamed someone else? I can't defend him - he's being a *******. You know it and I know it.
Is anyone here ready to say that Greg Jennings was right after all?
 

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All things being equal, you are probably right. However, Rodgers isn't Brees or Brady, so I don't think you can expect all 3 to behave the same, nor can you treat them the same. I also don't think we have all the facts. With that, we don't fully understand the Packers vision for Rodgers and they may not have a clear vision either. I am going to continue to view Love as a cheap(er) investment and insurance policy. If Rodgers fears losing his job to him, I doubt it's due to talent. Favre was the better QB when Rodgers finally took over, but the Packers realized that it was time to move on. That time for Rodgers may be happening sooner than expected by everyone, except maybe Rodgers.

That I think is what's driving everyone crazy. But it seems like they should understand after what they saw not only last year but even in previous years, that Rodgers definitely looks like he could put at least 3 more good years of football in, and he certainly doesn't seem to be planning to retire before age 40.

Hopefully the Packers did only see Love as the insurance plan as you suggest, but as I said earlier, if that's the case they should have gotten in front of the microphone right after Love was drafted and swatted down any and all notions that they were up to a grand master plan to ship Rodgers out soon. I mean, yeah I know they can't be out there every day debunking everything the talking heads spew, but we're only talking one rumor, and when you don't kill it, it has a way of causing more trouble than it's worth.
 
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We should look like the 85 Bears with the draft capitol we've spent on D the last decade.
This is true. Although it took a combination of poor coaching, scheme and poor player utilization also.

What about the Alexander, Savage and Jenkins picks? Who was in charge when Matt LeFleur was hired?
He may have even had a say in the hiring of Aaron Rodgers. Gute was a respected scouting authority at that juncture. Who knows.

I'm still trying to understand how anyone has enough information to really determine who is in the wrong here.
It’s not wrong to disagree or be frustrated with decisions which you have no control over. It IS wrong how he’s went about handling these disagreements, even if Aaron was leaning correct in his evaluation of the situation, he’s frustrations have him altogether out of line.

Look at Jordan’s contract and do the overlapping math. They can only keep Rodgers through the 2023 season maximum to do this favorably for GB and post 2022 is really an ideal contract out. They can tell him he’s got a 5 year deal but that makes no difference as it’s all about the guaranteed contract out. Rodgers asking for staff to be fired and making ultimatums? he’s made that abundantly public and not once refuted that. He’s never let something so egregious stay in the media if it wasn’t true. These are career FO personnel were talking about! Terry Bradshaw used to love him, but he’s really disappointed and no way does Bradshaw call him out without being sure of his tendencies. Rodgers has backed himself into a corner with no way out except to apologize and publicly admit he was wrong. That will never happen because IMO he’s not man enough. I’m sorry I had to lay it on the line like that. But it’s the truth and the truth ain’t always pretty.

Honestly at this point, none of us know a damned thing. We can only speculate. And of course we will all have opinions on what we think is going on, but this whole butthurt crap of turning on the star quarterback based on reported stories, when he just got done winning the MVP is humorous to me.
. This is a terrible look for our franchise and even more shocking is it’s using his success to attack people. Kids look up to these athletes and this is a very ruthless way for Rodgers to react. Shows an abundance of arrogance and a total lack of the big picture of how this is portrayed. Rodgers showed his cards and literally threw them at the dealer.
This is coming from me! I’ve defended him numerous times. Enough is enough.

There’s an old saying in business that fits him to a T
“He’s so smart.. he’s just outsmarted himself”.
Listen. We all make mistakes. The only difference in this world is that wise people know when to admit it.

I used to watch football as entertainment and an escape from life’s drama. Now the drama has found a place smack dab in front of us. What a shame.
 
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Which is why it's so strange that you side with the billionaires over they guys wrecking their bodies.
If it wasn't for the billionaires, there wouldn't be $40 million contracts. Whether you like it or not, it's the damn truth. These guys definitely wreck their bodies, but that is their choice also, to pick football as their profession. I'm by no means a rich man, but I also know my employer needs to make money, pay the bills, and re-invest in the company, so I can continue to have a job. They have to make real decisions about the business "team" and I'm an employee, and do what they ask me to, because I don't own the business, I just work for them. I'm in middle management, make a decent living that provides for my family, but some of these guys make more in 3hours on a game day check, than I make in a year, so don't act like they are poor and getting peanuts. I have worked for the same company for 32 years, working on 33. I see P&L statements all the time, yes some businesses make a boat load of money, but not all. The "NFL" makes a hell of a lot more money than "teams" do, and there are a lot of teams that don't flow a lot to the bottom line, while others do more than their share, which helps keep the brand stable.. this is true in real life jobs, just like mine. This team is also different in that we don't have 1 owner. The Packers put a competitive team on the field year in and year out...I think we are pretty fortunate that this team has been run pretty f'n good since the early 90's... regardless of "only" having 2 Super Bowl victories and 3 appearances. Try being a Lions or Browns fan, which neither has even had a chance to sniff one.
 

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some of these guys make more in 3hours on a game day check, than I make in a year, so don't act like they are poor and getting peanuts.

Well said.

I am so tired of the "you only support business and billionaires" argument when it comes to player decisions and the Packers. First, Gute isn't a billionaire or an owner, so its no skin off his nuts financially what he does. Unless you take into account getting his *** fired and he loses the paycheck. Actually, I would think its safe to assume that one of the minority owners of the Milwaukee Bucks is probably the wealthiest man in the organization, Aaron Rodgers.

Also, I don't really even few football dollars as real anymore, they have gotten so out of line with reality. I view Football decisions for what they are and as numbers entered into a spread sheet, much like stats. I can't tell you how many times I have sided with players. Example, Jordy Nelson. If its true he was only offered a million by the Packers and ended up getting 4 or 5 from the Raiders, I don't blame him one bit for leaving GB, smart business move oh his part. On the other hand, if the Packers FO felt he wasn't worth more than they offered, smart move on their part too.
 
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Threatening people with getting them fired? I believe GB is ready to move on in the near future. Look at Jordan’s contract and do the overlapping math. They can only keep Rodgers through the 2023 season maximum to do this favorably for GB. I’m near 99% sure that is the reason Rodgers is mad, his current guarantee has him out after this season and an extension only buying him 1 more season. They can tell him he’s got a 5 year deal but that makes no difference whatsoever unless his guarantee (contract out) locks him in past 2023. Aaron is using a positive season to hold GB hostage. He’s also asking for staff to be fired and he’s made that abundantly public and not once refuted that. He’s never let something so egregious stay in the media if it wasn’t true. These are career FO personnel were talking about! Terry Bradshaw used to love him, but he’s really disappointed and no way does Bradshaw call him out without being sure of his tendencies. Rodgers has backed himself into a corner with no way out except to apologize and publicly admit he was wrong. That will never happen because IMO he’s not man enough. I’m sorry I had to lay it on the line like that. But it’s the truth and the truth ain’t always pretty.

Omfg here we go again! Man, this place is just loaded with crazy pills talk lately.

1. I'm really not buying this ridiculous innuendo that Rodgers wants everyone kicked out of the front office, but even if he did, have fans become so deluded that they think Mark Murphy's just sitting up in his office taking his marching orders from Rodgers? Good lord. Rodgers must have some blackmail pics I didn't know about or something lol.

2. Oh, so now any player who has a great season here and wants a payday for that is holding the Packers hostage. Guess Aaron Jones was holding us hostage getting his pay raise, and a good season from Davante Adams means he'll hold us hostage.

The way I'm seeing this is the folks inside 1265 largely got themselves into this mess because a number of scenarios were set to play out, but I'm seeing it as one of two things:

A. So I'll go with Pokerbrat's theory that the Packers were looking at Love not necessarily as a lock to replace Rodgers, but more as potential to do so, as well as a contingency plan should Rodgers's career be ended prematurely by injury or what not. I'll also assume Gute is telling the truth when he says he never wanted to trade Rodgers. Given this scenario, yeah the current bickering between Rodgers and the front office probably is a fight over spilled milk with Rodgers being in the wrong. But Gute then should have gotten way out in front of the Rodgers trade rumor and shut it down from the get go. Apparently the momentum it had gained was way outta control by the time Murphy made his famous "we're not stupid" statement a few months ago. Irresponsible not to shut it down completely.

B. We could also assume the Packers front office did want to trade him after the 2020 season. For them to suddenly get cold feet on that and try to reverse course really makes them look like a bunch of incompetent boobs who have no clue what they're doing. I mean, if you're going about it the right way, you don't plan before a season starts, on trading a player after it ends when you don't even know how he's going to play for you. But furthermore, you don't go telling his agent or let it get out there that it's in the works unless you plan to go through with it.

In either scenario, the Packers org potentially ends up with a hot potato that they have to get rid of. And it would be of their own making for either not putting the trade rumor to bed when it began, or not having the cojones to go through with a trade as planned.

But seriously, while Rodgers certainly will make himself heard in this, the Packers brass are not going to fire anyone unless Murphy himself wants it. Him threatening to retire if they don't trade him won't change any of that either and would only put himself at a loss as he'd end up having to sit out at least a season before he unretired and got back into football with another team. But business would continue as usual in 1265. Of course, maybe he would see a year off as a chance to spend more time with his fiance, get married, and have a longer honeymoon.

Anyway, while Rodgers frustration certainly looks bad on him, I got a feeling that his current blowing off of steam will die down pretty soon and both Rodgers and the Packers will reconcile their differences. And not out of wishful thinking, but more because I don't think Rodgers is ready to leave football, and the fact that the front office doesn't believe JLove is ready to become the man yet.

Also, Rodgers denying stuff has never stopped crazy people from still believing he did it.

Man oh man ... Mark Murphy is going to fire people in his front office because Aaron Rodgers said so? I mean seriously!!!
 

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Yeah, I’m sure the guy who cares about his legacy more than anything self sabotaged his chance at a SB.

If he truly cared about his "legacy" why would he want to alienate the team he's played for his entire career and its fans? He's like every other athlete - looking out for #1.
 

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