Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pugger]

But Gute is on record saying he has a long ways to go.

Like it or not.. They want rodgers and publicly slobbed over him.

Until real convo of what was said, released texts messages showing Gute promised this or that its all speculation.

To be snippy that packers have love is fine, but what is Rodgers true stance? No one knows.

I heard today that it has bloated way out of proportion. Rodgers simply said okay to a trade to Niners and that he doesnt want Gute gone. That is all that happened..anything else is probably wrong

This entire situation is just speculation. Until I hear it from Rodgers own lips on the record I'm not going to worry needlessly. Life is too short to fret about all of this.

 

[longtimefan]

Amish tried making the same argument about Bakhtiari. There's only one quarterback on a field at a given time, as opposed to more than 1 tackle, multiple o-linemen, multiple DB's, etc. There's only one quarterback. And again, Gutekunst by his own admission said that his communication with Rodgers on the Love pick could have been better and should have been better.

That's from the GM. Not me.

Okay? So he admits that..did he tell rodgers way back then? Or just recently. Thats a huge thing to know

If he just did it, then I can see rodgers having issues..but if he did it last year, and Rodgers cant accept it..then thats on rodgers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Amish tried making the same argument about Bakhtiari. There's only one quarterback on a field at a given time, as opposed to more than 1 tackle, multiple o-linemen, multiple DB's, etc. There's only one quarterback. And again, Gutekunst by his own admission said that his communication with Rodgers on the Love pick could have been better and should have been better.

That's from the GM. Not me.

I am not talking about what Gute said or didn't say to Rodgers, I think it would have been nice for him to have potentially said something, but he didn't, move on.

What I was saying is that no one player should feel like they own their roster spot, they need to earn it each season. Jaire has to be thinking about his upcoming contract, especially if Stokes and another CB are playing well.

What is Rodgers afraid of with Love, that he beats him out? Well Rodgers pretty much put that question to bed in 2020. No, Rodgers is afraid that at some point Love is better value and the Packers make a tough but smart business decision and trade him while they can. Basically, he was mad about losing power. Rodgers likes to be in control (see his off field relationships), the drafting of Love, took some of that away from him.

 

[longtimefan]

Per hawk and his opinion..

Rodgers isnt retiring and he doesnt want Gute fired.

 

[pacmaniac]

IMO they are doing their best at diplomacy. Personally I get the sense that Rodgers does not want more money and did not feel particularly disrespected over the Love pick. IMO he likely figures that he's more likely to win elsewhere, but he needs a reason to force a trade. This disrespect narrative is just the cassus belli.

Disrespected, maybe. He was definitely blindsided by the Love pick. There was a lot of talk that the Packers would finally take a first round WR, and interviews with Rodgers saying he was excited about that and that he'd be the first person to congratulate a first round offensive skill player.

Don't know where he would be more likely to win. All of the final 8 teams in the NFL playoffs last year have the QB position locked down.

 

[David Ciembronowicz]

That's true, but aren't we going to get hit hard by the salary cap after this year or over the next few years? Either way, I am not sure if Love is going to be a super bowl QB, and even if he is, it probably isn't going to be this year or over the next 2-3 seasons since he would be just starting out(and we have a great opportunity this year and maybe the following couple of seasons if we can keep the roster intact with good QB play).

Would Jimmy G really be an adequate replacement for Rodgers? I know that SF went to a super bowl a couple of years ago and beat us in the NFCCG.

Best i have heard so far from any "talking head", Terry Bradshaw on Rodgers "saga" says it like it should be...... Bradshaw on radio talk show (Fox news story today)...... Love Bradshaw, a really tough , no "crap" dude who loves NFL and the game of football.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

He still doesn't know, yet Aaron and some fans seem convinced that it was a move to discredit and push Rodgers out of Green Bay. It was insurance is all.

Then he should have shut down and not even considered any and all Rodgers trade rumors from the get go.

 

[PackAttack12]

What guilt??

Gute saying he could/should have communicated the Love move to Rodgers before hand.

 

[PackAttack12]

Okay? So he admits that..did he tell rodgers way back then? Or just recently. Thats a huge thing to know

If he just did it, then I can see rodgers having issues..but if he did it last year, and Rodgers cant accept it..then thats on rodgers.

That part is unknown I suppose.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Then he should have shut down and not even considered any and all Rodgers trade rumors from the get go.

Come on man, you should know better than that. If Gute spent his time shutting down every media or fan rumor started, he wouldn't have time to do his day job. Also, why should he not consider a trade? Are you saying Aaron is beyond and above being tradeable? I mean if the deal is there, wouldn't it be bad management for Gute not to consider it?

 

[PackAttack12]

I am not talking about what Gute said or didn't say to Rodgers, I think it would have been nice for him to have potentially said something, but he didn't, move on.

What I was saying is that no one player should feel like they own their roster spot, they need to earn it each season. Jaire has to be thinking about his upcoming contract, especially if Stokes and another CB are playing well.

What is Rodgers afraid of with Love, that he beats him out? Well Rodgers pretty much put that question to bed in 2020. No, Rodgers is afraid that at some point Love is better value and the Packers make a tough but smart business decision and trade him while they can. Basically, he was mad about losing power. Rodgers likes to be in control (see his off field relationships), the drafting of Love, took some of that away from him.

Good grief. Take the off the field **** out of the equation. Brady supposedly is the model father, son, husband, etc. and he figured out a way to get Jimmy G out of town by getting Kraft to veto Belichick for the first time in their entire relationship.

All of these QB's have egos.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Amish tried making the same argument about Bakhtiari. There's only one quarterback on a field at a given time, as opposed to more than 1 tackle, multiple o-linemen, multiple DB's, etc. There's only one quarterback. And again, Gutekunst by his own admission said that his communication with Rodgers on the Love pick could have been better and should have been better.

That's from the GM. Not me.

Not to mention most of those other positions on our team and any other team usually have good but not unbeatable players, and hence usually are open for competition. Now I mean, obviously Davante won't lose his spot to Amari, but Lazard or ESB very well could.

And with Rodgers worrying about being replaced, it wouldn't come from being beat in a QB competition and anyone with a brain knows that. I mean anyone who thinks Love would beat him straight up, I'll take your money and cash it in the bank right NOW. He'd only be replaced by leaving his current spot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good grief. Take the off the field **** out of the equation.

Why? What is happening with Rodgers right now is completely off the field related. He is allowing his off the field personality dictate his behavior. This has nothing to do with his on the field performance or behavior. If this goes South and it seems to be, Rodgers will always be remembered as one of the greatest on the field QB's that the Packers have had. Off the field, he won't be viewed in that light.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

or the players could go elsewhere and sign up for a job at Home Depot? Oh wait.....the owners of Home Depot are making a **** load more, so that doesn't work. Ok, they could quit and become Doctors, oh wait.....


***Edit..admittedly I am being snarky right now....but this is such a tired "argument" .....The owners make more so Rodgers should make $40M/year and not $35M. They are ALL F**king overpaid!

Which is why it's so strange that you side with the billionaires over they guys wrecking their bodies.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

How is it off base? People like yourself are proclaiming that the Packers have treated Aaron poorly and he should be involved in more of the FO decisions. I disagree and I was merely pointing out the pitfalls of doing so.

Nope. I never said that, I said that the posters saying that Gute should just hit Aaron Rodgers with a metaphorical stick and say "I'm in charge know your place" are not very good at managing people

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Come on man, you should know better than that. If Gute spent his time shutting down every media or fan rumor started, he wouldn't have time to do his day job. Also, why should he not consider a trade? Are you saying Aaron is beyond and above being tradeable? I mean if the deal is there, wouldn't it be bad management for Gute not to consider it?

Yeah cuz it's a dumb idea. Proven by the fact that the Bucs did nothing with their boatload of talent before Brady got there.

Someone should tell the Chiefs to put Mahomes on the trade market right now because they'll make off like bandits with all kinds of draft picks and high talent because trading away your franchise QB is such a smart idea.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I mean anyone who thinks Love would beat him straight up, I'll take your money and cash it in the bank right NOW. He'd only be replaced by leaving his current spot.

Nobody here has said that, that I have seen. Love is a contingency plan, just like Rodgers was a contingency plan to Rodgers, as was Brian Brohm.

Do you think Kirk Cousins is screaming bloody murder in Minnesota with the drafting of Kellen Mond and the information that they actually were ready to move up and take Fields? It is a business decision.

If you are looking for a GM that makes all business decisions as if they are personal, the NFL isn't a good business for you to follow.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah cuz it's a dumb idea. Proven by the fact that the Bucs did nothing with their boatload of talent before Brady got there.

If Aaron retires, it would have been a dumb idea to trade him? He is the one that seems to be in trade talk, not the Packers. So please stop saying it would be dumb to trade him. However to make the statement that he should never be traded, in the middle of the exact situation where possibly he should be traded, is kind of ......Rodgers like.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Nope. I never said that, I said that the posters saying that Gute should just hit Aaron Rodgers with a metaphorical stick and say "I'm in charge know your place" are not very good at managing people

So this is how Gute has handled Rodgers? Or because of what you are hearing, you assume this?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

If you are looking for a GM that makes all business decisions as if they are personal, the NFL isn't a good business for you to follow.

Umm no, I want the GM to make the decisions that give us the best chance to win. I have not seen one compelling argument making the case that trading Rodgers gives us the best chance to win, let alone make the SB. If you can give me one, I will listen to it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Umm no, I want the GM to make the decisions that give us the best chance to win. I have not seen one compelling argument making the case that trading Rodgers gives us the best chance to win, let alone make the SB. If you can give me one, I will listen to it.

OK....I will give you a few.

1. Rodgers says "I am not playing for the Packers anymore, I am officially retired".
2. If #1 doesn't happen, 2021 Rodgers gives us the best shot at a SB, no doubt. However, that leaves 2022 and beyond potentially being less of a chance.

So let me ask you and then I get to listen. Had nothing changed in the off season, would Aaron Rodgers be the Packers QB in 2021? Yes? OK, what changed, that now puts that in....Jeopardy?

If above was yes and Aaron has another 2021 season like 2020, is Aaron Rodgers the QB for 2022?

If Aaron Rodgers wins a SB in 2021 or 2022 and is still playing at a high level, who is the QB for the Packers in 2023?

 

[mongoosev]

just speculation on my part but i think rod was done when jordy left, getting rid of kumerow was the last straw. anyway...rod doesn't have his heart in it anymore and this pack team will have to go on without him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Which is why it's so strange that you side with the billionaires over they guys wrecking their bodies.

First, who in the Packer front office is a billionaire? I have a feeling that Aaron has more money than anyone, even Murphy.

How am I "siding with the billionaires" and what does "guys wrecking their bodies" have anything to do with this? I am making one point about contracts and the pay structure, that isn't siding with anyone.

"Those guys" you talk of made a choice to be in the NFL, as matter of fact, they made a choice to play football in College for free and before then. It's ******* your body yes, but a choice. I have a friend who drove truck for 30 years, both knees and both hips replaced, deaf in one ear before the age of 50. His medicals cover it, his retirement package and savings are enough to retire on, but I never hear him b*tch that his boss is a millionaire.

Let's talk about those billionaire owners for a second. Seems to me Rodgers is now a part owner of the Bucks. You think he is viewing that job the same as he does a players job? Elway as President of the Broncos, you happy with the way his decisions have always kept the players best interest in mind?

I think the difference between you and I, is that you seem to think that the Packers just have to do whatever it takes to keep Rodgers on the field and all is well. While I think you have to keep a mindful eye as to the future and at what point that the best decision for the team is keeping him or moving on from him.

 

[PikeBadger]

That part is unknown I suppose.

I had heard somewhere that Gutekunst had told Rodgers prior to the 2020 draft that they would possibly draft a QB in 2020. I don’t know the validity of that though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I had heard somewhere that Gutekunst had told Rodgers prior to the 2020 draft that they would possibly draft a QB in 2020. I don’t know the validity of that though.

The fact that we have to even ask/know if he did or didn't, is kind of silly and I think is what bugs me the most about the Rodgers/Love situation. Get over it Aaron and do what you did last year on the field, don't even give the Packers a reason to think they are better without you.

Further, what just happened in the last draft? Was every QB selected guaranteed a starting job? Does that teams current QB hand in his jersey the next day and say "Uncle, its been fun." I just don't get why AR is any different. Why is the drafting of a guy that is a long shot to beat him out...ever, so insulting and seemingly demeaning to him?