Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[rodell330]

There are 4,357 other threads for that. You can hash out all the reasons in there. I'll also let it sink in that just the last one we had to get to a Super Bowl, the "lesser" QB tossing INT's and relying on a defense tossed a 20+ yard pass play to his TE in a big moment when his team needed it for a 1st down. The other superior QB went like 0-3 at the goal line and couldn't get a 1st down after 2 out of 3 lat game turnovers. The QB's have played their parts in not playing in SUper Bowls.

Never said he wasn’t at fault. However let’s not act like this roster is just so ultra talented or has been in those games. That’s the point

 

[longtimefan]

Never said he wasn’t at fault. However let’s not act like this roster is just so ultra talented or has been in those games. That’s the point

Like kc? They have that but failed vs tampa. As I stated b4.

Common denominator? Oline play suffered

 

[LetzBreel]

Terry Bradshaw has never been the sharpest knife in the drawer but today I consider him the smartest man in the world. K.I.S.S.

 

[pacmaniac]

The Packers have 3 SB appearances with almost 30 years of HOF QB play. I mean let’s let that sink in for a minute. And only 1 with Rodgers under center. No franchise has waisted more talent at the QB position than the Packers have.

Should we be greedy? Or should we be counting our lucky stars?

In SB XXXI, we won 35-21. One of those was a KR return TD. Without that, it's 28-21. Howard also had a long punt return setting up another TD. Without that, it's 21-21. Who knows who wins that game if it weren't for Desmond Howard.

Then of course, we might not even get to SB XLV if we had to play a real QB in the NFCCG instead of Jay Cutler.

 

[longtimefan]

Rodgers cap hit explained

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...ifications-of-a-potential-aaron-rodgers-trade

 

[easyk83]

This fan's take, is that the Packers likely have been willing to commit to Rodgers for the foreseeable future. Rodgers, following another NFCG loss effectively placed all blame upon the team's management. Never mind that the team is paying Rodgers at a top level and never mind that the two of the next three highest paid players on the team are his starting left tackle and number 1 receiver. For Rodgers its easier and on brand to believe that everyone but him is to blame.

 

[PackAttack12]

Agreed with everything in your post but this part. Actually, Aaron does owe the Packers something, he signed a contract that still has 3 years on it, he was given $100M of guaranteed money. He needs to stop acting like a victim and understand that both he and the Packers both agreed to a contract that made him the highest paid player in the league. If he is mad that he no longer is or that the team continues to plan for the future, that is on him. But yeah, he owes the team something, to live up to his end of the contract. If he doesn't, they own his *** for 3 years.

So if the Packers cut him next offseason, would it be okay that the Packers didn't honor the full three years?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just tend to view the, "management should trear the employee like an unfeeling robot" crowd with a bit more disdain.

Is that how you felt the Packers have treated Rodgers? I mean I get what you are saying, in a perfect world management tries to appease everyone, but don't you see the slippery slope you get with that?

Gute: "Aaron what do you need? We love you man, just name it".

Aaron: "More money would be nice and I don't really like this whole "replacement guy" on the team, can you get rid of him?

*******************************
Gute: "Davante, you are THE guy in the WR room, what can we do to make you happy?"

Davante: "Give me the security and money you gave Aaron and I really love my buddy Jordan Love, can I get some more practice time with him?"

********************************

Gute: "Hey Russ, how are we doing on the cap situation?"

Russ: "JFK Man, stop handing money out like its unlimited, do you want to sink this ship, I'm trying to keep it floating and sailing smooth."

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So if the Packers cut him next offseason, would it be okay that the Packers didn't honor the full three years?

Yes, because Aaron knew that going in AND...a big AND......he got paid a ton of guaranteed money up front. AND...another big AND.......he can go get a job elsewhere, probably for more money.

If Aaron forces a trade....Packers are out all that prepaid guaranteed money AND loose a HUGE asset.

So like it or not, a player has the most flexibility when he signs a contract. If you want to see a league that allows a player to just force a trade or a team to not be able to cut a player that isn't living up to his contract....good luck.

 

[PackAttack12]

Yes, because Aaron knew that going in AND...a big AND......he got paid a ton of guaranteed money up front. AND...another big AND.......he can go get a job elsewhere, probably for more money.

If Aaron forces a trade....Packers are out all that prepaid guaranteed money AND loose a HUGE asset.

So like it or not, a player has the most flexibility when he signs a contract. If you want to see a league that allows a player to just force a trade or a team to not be able to cut a player that isn't living up to his contract....good luck.

This subject is really bringing the smart *** out in you, isn't it? Feathers ruffled, yes?

We're talking about honoring contracts here. Either you honor it, or you don't. You seem to think it's okay for the a team to get rid of a player at any point in time, but God forbid the player try negotiating an extension or a trade.

like it or not, things like this happen in the real world. All. The. Damn. Time. Employers can move off of employees at their discretion. And that's fine. But the employee has more than a right to try negotiating different terms. And guess what? Either the employer can give in to the demands and give the employee more pay, more security, etc., or they can get rid of said person.

Sure, the Packers would lose guaranteed money and a huge asset. But they would get assets in return and guess what? They don't have to trade him.

And anyway...what's the problem? You have Rodgers' successor on the roster.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers cap hit explained

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/...ifications-of-a-potential-aaron-rodgers-trade

Thanks for posting, but that is a lot of words, when it is simpler to just say what is towards the end of the article:

"Packers would actually have to carry a cap number $1.154 million higher by trading him in the month of May".

I am sticking to trade him now and get all that you can, take the full cap hit in 2021 and use the savings in 2022 when you are still in rebuild mode.

 

[Mondio]

So if the Packers cut him next offseason, would it be okay that the Packers didn't honor the full three years?

It's always the balancing act between the NFLPA/players and teams.

Players want guaranteed money, teams would love nothing more than to just play for production. Both realize it's a risky endeavor to bank on one or the other so they have this fluid working compromise between guaranteed money, which players want, and length of contract and years of control.

Players give up guarantees in years of employment in exchange for guaranteed up front money (signing bonus). Once the cap savings start being real, your production better still be earning those big salaries if you want to keep your job.

it's a give and take between the players and teams. if they gave guaranteed contracts, they would shrink. There wouldn't be 150 million dollar 5 year contracts with 100 mil guaranteed
they'd be 3 year 60 mil guaranteed or something like that.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

This fan's take, is that the Packers likely have been willing to commit to Rodgers for the foreseeable future.

The drafting of Jordan Love suggests otherwise

 

[gbgary]

Denver is still my leading candidate

the bengals or jets are mine. lol

 

[longtimefan]

I don't think that's the same thing that's being referred to. But obviously they're all lying because none of their stories match up.

Lynch said he called night before draft. Gute said he only got one call and it was after the news about Rodgers was broken by schfter day of draft. Others say the Packers backed out of the trade on the niners not the night before the draft but earlier than that in the process. However, after the 49ers traded up to 3. Those people allege I believe that the niners traded up to get that pick as part of a package for Rodgers.

From what I heard from various sources pieced together. Going all the way back to the draft in 2020 is:

Rodgers was beyond pissed and no longer wanted to play for the Packers at that time. Which was reported at the time by among others one Brett Lorenzo Favre who stated he has spoken to Aaron and he doesn't see him playing in Green Bay much longer and certainly not to finish his career. Favre being Favre spoke with a very limited filter. His words seemed like they came directly out of Aaron Rodgers mouth

At that point to smooth things over for 2020. Gute told Rodgers he planned to trade him after the season

Rodgers wins MVP etc

Gute says we no longer want to trade you

Rodgers ok give me extension ensuring I'm the Packers qb thru 2022

Gute No thanks we want to do a simple restructure blah blah blah

Rodgers says Fu2 knowing that gute is still trying to ensure he has the flexibility to move on from Rodgers after each of the next 3 seasons

Awkward denials of a rift by Packers FO

Relative silence from Rodgers beyond the normal read between the lines I'm pissed stuff

Fast Forward to present day


I mean it would sure explain the way Rodgers acted like he thought he had played his last game for the Packers after the nfccg...gute had told him prior to the year he was going to be traded in the off season prior to the 2021 draft

Now its out that shanahan called matt and it was a fast no

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Is that how you felt the Packers have treated Rodgers? I mean I get what you are saying, in a perfect world management tries to appease everyone, but don't you see the slippery slope you get with that?

Gute: "Aaron what do you need? We love you man, just name it".

Aaron: "More money would be nice and I don't really like this whole "replacement guy" on the team, can you get rid of him?

*******************************
Gute: "Davante, you are THE guy in the WR room, what can we do to make you happy?"

Davante: "Give me the security and money you gave Aaron and I really love my buddy Jordan Love, can I get some more practice time with him?"

********************************

Gute: "Hey Russ, how are we doing on the cap situation?"

Russ: "JFK Man, stop handing money out like its unlimited, do you want to sink this ship, I'm trying to keep it floating and sailing smooth."

Fun exercise. I never said Gute was doing that. I said that some posters are advocating for that. However, your reply was funny, if off base.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This subject is really bringing the smart *** out in you, isn't it? Feathers ruffled, yes?......We're talking about honoring contracts here. Either you honor it, or you don't.

I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ about contracts and Mondio pretty much said what I would say.

A contract is an agreement between 2 parties, which discusses many things. Did Aaron Rodgers sign a contract with a no trade or cut clause in it? No? So how would the Packers doing one of those things NOT be honoring the contract. They are within the terms of the contract.

I think some are confusing a contract with some kind of "honorable agreement" that never expires until the date at the end. Contracts give plenty of outs in them and if the player wants some outs, try to get them in the contact. If the player wants guarantees instead of outs, he might get those instead.

People who are thinking that A Rod is the innocent bystander because the Packers currently have more contractual leverage right now than him, aren't seeing contracts for what they are. BTW, who had the most leverage near the end of Aarons last contract?

Finally, if Aaron gets his way and forces a trade.....will he make more money?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It's always the balancing act between the NFLPA/players and teams.

Players want guaranteed money, teams would love nothing more than to just play for production. Both realize it's a risky endeavor to bank on one or the other so they have this fluid working compromise between guaranteed money, which players want, and length of contract and years of control.

Players give up guarantees in years of employment in exchange for guaranteed up front money (signing bonus). Once the cap savings start being real, your production better still be earning those big salaries if you want to keep your job.

it's a give and take between the players and teams. if they gave guaranteed contracts, they would shrink. There wouldn't be 150 million dollar 5 year contracts with 100 mil guaranteed
they'd be 3 year 60 mil guaranteed or something like that.

Hmmm... 32 NFL owners make more money than all the players combined because the owners get a larger percent of revenue. The other option would be for the players to get a bigger cut and the billionaires to take a little less.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The drafting of Jordan Love suggests otherwise

How? So a team is not allowed to make contingency plans? Why is Aaron Rodgers or any Packer fan so scared that Love is going to be the end of Rodgers? The Packers would be idiots to jettison Rodgers, unless they are getting better value out of Love. Is Bahk ****+ing his bed at night because the Packers just drafted and signed some UDFA OLineman?

It's the NFL...and its business.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hmmm... 32 NFL owners make more money than all the players combined because the owners get a larger percent of revenue. The other option would be for the players to get a bigger cut and the billionaires to take a little less.

or the players could go elsewhere and sign up for a job at Home Depot? Oh wait.....the owners of Home Depot are making a **** load more, so that doesn't work. Ok, they could quit and become Doctors, oh wait.....


***Edit..admittedly I am being snarky right now....but this is such a tired "argument" .....The owners make more so Rodgers should make $40M/year and not $35M. They are ALL F**king overpaid!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Fun exercise. I never said Gute was doing that. I said that some posters are advocating for that. However, your reply was funny, if off base.

How is it off base? People like yourself are proclaiming that the Packers have treated Aaron poorly and he should be involved in more of the FO decisions. I disagree and I was merely pointing out the pitfalls of doing so.

 

[longtimefan]

How? So a team is not allowed to make contingency plans? Why is Aaron Rodgers or any Packer fan so scared that Love is going to be the end of Rodgers? The Packers would be idiots to jettison Rodgers, unless they are getting better value out of Love. Is Bahk ****+ing his bed at night because the Packers just drafted and signed some UDFA OLineman?

It's the NFL...and its business.

They tried trading up 2 times and couldnt agree..so next best player in their board was love

 

[Mondio]

Hmmm... 32 NFL owners make more money than all the players combined because the owners get a larger percent of revenue. The other option would be for the players to get a bigger cut and the billionaires to take a little less.

They could, or they could pay the support staff more and both take less. Or the players could build their own league. negotiate their own stadiums, health insurances, AT's, PT's, Trainers, coaches etc. They could all do it differently.

But what we have today, is this and I'd say they all do pretty well for themselves. If Rodgers wanted a guaranteed contract for 5 years, it would have been worth less money than what we see typically given out in the league. most players will sacrifice years for up front money.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

So, the talk is always......the front office doesn’t give Rodgers any help.
LT......#1, top 3 at least
LG......top 5, pro bowl
C....last year #1
TE.....#1 in TD’s
WR1.....top 3
RB top 3
Edge rushers very good
DT ......KC top 5
CB1.......pro bowl
Safeties.......very good
Yes, mostly drafted by us.........GM’s have done a good job keeping us in the running.
We have the best QB, but he is a bitc% at times.

I agree that the narrative that Rodgers has had zero help is certainly not accurate.

But even in some of those positions you've , the Packers have had big weaknesses that opponents exploited in big games aka Rick Wagner, Kevin King, etc.

Coaching also makes a difference, and guys like Dom Capers, Steve Slocum, Shawn Mennenga, and Mike Pettine have been out schemed in these games. Even LaFleur, as much as I love and think he can be a very great coach at the top of his game, made a very bad move to kick that FG. Coaches like Tony Dungy, Bellichek, Harbaugh, and Reid would not have done that.

I think the FO and coaches here do at least 90% great things to put us in position to be one game away from the SB, but it's always that last 10% they fail on that keeps us from getting over the hump.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I agree that the narrative that Rodgers has had zero help is certainly not accurate.

Rodgers also commands a big salary, which he also now seems to want more of. So people need to explain how you fit all these expensive pieces together to provide him with all the weapons, a good offensive line, oh and a top 10 defense, because that matters too.

Sometimes I get the feeling that people are saying the FO is intentionally trying to screw Aaron, as well as screw up fixing the team AND planning for the future. I know that isn't what you are actually saying, but some of the words imply it.