Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[sschind]

The biggest mistake I see this FO made is not trading Rodgers on day 1 of this draft.

Gute needs to make this the best team possible. Not sure why your goal is just to make your sports hero happy.

According to Gute there wasn't much interest. He even denies talking to Lynch. Lynch says he called the Packers but did he say he talked to Gute directly? If so one of them is lying. Right now it seems Denver is the best option for a trade since they didn't take a QB but the Raiders are still probably a shot. I'd say those two teams offer the best return. I tried thinking of teams who might be interested who are not in full rebuild mode and haven't already at least partially addressed their QB issues and I really can't think of one.

here is a list of teams and their QB situations going off the top of my head. By my reckoning I count at least 14 full on not interested in any way, 10 doubtful and 7 teams who might have an interest simply given their QB situation at this time and not really taking into consideration the rest of their team and rebuild and Rodgers potential time left. I wonder if there are any teams Rodgers would retire over being traded to? I know he had a short list but would he accept another? After this season he will be another year older and unless he has another MVP like year his value will only go down. If he is adamant about not wanting to be here I say take the best deal you can get and move up your timetable for Jordan Love. We will take some lumps but sometimes its better to rip the bandage of quickly.


Dolphins- Tua doubtful
Bills- Allen nope
Patriots- Drafted Jones nope
Jets- Drafted whoever they drafted nope
Steelers - maybe next year
Browns - Mayfield doubtful
Bengals - Burrow nope
Ravens - Jackson nope
Titans- Tannehill maybe
Jaguars - Lawrence nope
Texans maybe
Colts wentz doubtful
Raiders- maybe
Broncos - maybe
Chiefs, Mahommes nope
Chargers- Herbert nope
Giants doubtful
Eagles maybe
Cowboys Dak nope
WFT - maybe
Saints - doubtful
Bucs- Brady, drafted trask Nope
Panthers - trade for Darnold, doubtful
Falcons- doubtful
Rams- nope
Seahawks- maybe if Russel rumors are true but doubtful
Cardinals - Murray nope
49ers- drafted lance nope
Lions- Goff maybe but doubtful
vikings- drafted sombody doubtful
Bears- Drafted Fields nope

 

[GigaPaladin]

-Only 1 offensive player: And yet they were in the NFCC game 2 years in a row with a historic offense last year. Yes due in large part to Rodgers but he is not the only offensive star. There are no guarantees a first round WR would have gotten them past the Bucs. And yes I understand that Love didn't help either but when you draft in April you aren't planning for one game the following February.

If I have an MVP quarterback in an offensive league I am loading him up with weapons. Also they lost the NFC Championship game the year before so they should have been planning to be in it again and win it. Adding two third stringers with your top picks vs Tristan Wirfs and Antonio Winfield Jr. is well...lol

-King: No one they could have signed after that game would have helped. Gute was supposed to know King would be that bad. I guess his crystal ball was broken.

I was joking about this year's first round draft pick being able to help us in the NFC championship game obviously

-McCarthy: yup, agree on that one but its been 2 full seasons since they did move on. Why would that still stick in Rodgers craw. Is he upset that the FO didn't fire MM earlier like he wanted them to.

I would be. Should have been gone way earlier.

-Bucs draft: The Bucs were playing catch up when they signed Brady. The Packers had been to the NFCC game the year before. Not saying you don't improve but the methods are a little different between teams trying to catch up and teams trying to stay on top. Its kind of the same way you often see teams that dominate in the first half of a game look flat in the second. If what you are doing is working what do you change, while the other team makes changes. Did you see what the Bucs did this offseason. They kept every starter from the SB team and drafted a replacement for Brady. Why didn't they trade for a TE or sign a running back and head case WR. Because they already had a wining team, that's why. They did sign a few outside free agents but they had the money to do it with. Something the Packers might have done had their QB had been willing to restructure his contract to give more cap space like Brady did.

Comparing the two teams best receiving talents after Davonte: the Bucs have Evans, Godwin, Gronk, and AB so of the top five receivers on GB and TB they have four lol. They dont need to add more players they wouldnt even have room to play them. Scotty Miller is going to be good too. Point is team is stacked to the gills with playmakers.

-Rodgers vs love: I don't see what Rodgers draft status has to do with it unless he is pissed they didn't trade up to get him as well and only took him after he fell. Of course he says he was cool with the pick after having time to think about it so either that's a non factor in all this or he was lying about that and it still bothers him.

Point is best player in the draft fell 24 spots into their lap so they almost had to take him since they probably knew how good he would be vs going out of their way to get a QB. I don't care if I have Tom Brady I would take Rodgers then myself.

 

[sschind]

I'm not a Cap expert, but I did hear the team would save considerable $ by making it post June 1, which is just 1 month. I don't think its the main reason, but his salary has pretty substantial impact and that's a factor. I also truly believe they are working to extend him, but at a cost (in time and monetarily) they can live with.

Its all about the economics for our FO and it's a exercise in cost vs. benefit on a grand scale with many variables.

Reading between the lines, I believe Aaron Rodgers is still holding a grudge for what they did to Jordy, his QB coach, Cobb and now Linsley. I don't think he ever accepted those blunt player and coaching cuts, at least not in the format they came. It's just my opinion.. but the FO insulted his friends and I can understand his issue there, but the "eye for an eye" approach never works long term. It just sounds good, but doing the right thing is always better, even if those around you make it easy to echo their poor judgement.

That said, the GB front office had this coming, while they say it's "just business" when they are cold and calculating.. how is that business working now? Not good and its a black eye to the Packers.

I said it before and I'll reiterate it.. you treat people like you'd want to be treated and you get grace for your own shortcomings. You treat people with disrespect or disdain and you get the curse of disdain and it always catches up with you and if it doesn't? It's because the Lord took you out of the equation all-together. Pressed down, twice shaken and overflowing it is measured back to us

If they do it now they still save 5 million and its done. if they wait they save more this year but he still counts some next year (although rollover could offset some of that). That's the way I understand it. If it is that way I say pull the band aid quickly.

 

[AmishMafia]

According to Gute there wasn't much interest. He even denies talking to Lynch. Lynch says he called the Packers but did he say he talked to Gute directly? If so one of them is lying. Right now it seems Denver is the best option for a trade since they didn't take a QB but the Raiders are still probably a shot. I'd say those two teams offer the best return. I tried thinking of teams who might be interested who are not in full rebuild mode and haven't already at least partially addressed their QB issues and I really can't think of one.

here is a list of teams and their QB situations going off the top of my head. By my reckoning I count at least 14 full on not interested in any way, 10 doubtful and 7 teams who might have an interest simply given their QB situation at this time and not really taking into consideration the rest of their team and rebuild and Rodgers potential time left. I wonder if there are any teams Rodgers would retire over being traded to? I know he had a short list but would he accept another? After this season he will be another year older and unless he has another MVP like year his value will only go down. If he is adamant about not wanting to be here I say take the best deal you can get and move up your timetable for Jordan Love. We will take some lumps but sometimes its better to rip the bandage of quickly.


Dolphins- Tua doubtful
Bills- Allen nope
Patriots- Drafted Jones nope
Jets- Drafted whoever they drafted nope
Steelers - maybe next year
Browns - Mayfield doubtful
Bengals - Burrow nope
Ravens - Jackson nope
Titans- Tannehill maybe
Jaguars - Lawrence nope
Texans maybe
Colts wentz doubtful
Raiders- maybe
Broncos - maybe
Chiefs, Mahommes nope
Chargers- Herbert nope
Giants doubtful
Eagles maybe
Cowboys Dak nope
WFT - maybe
Saints - doubtful
Bucs- Brady, drafted trask Nope
Panthers - trade for Darnold, doubtful
Falcons- doubtful
Rams- nope
Seahawks- maybe if Russel rumors are true but doubtful
Cardinals - Murray nope
49ers- drafted lance nope
Lions- Goff maybe but doubtful
vikings- drafted sombody doubtful
Bears- Drafted Fields nope

Fair analysis.

My best hope is that is that they can still trade with SF: Rodgers for lance.

Or another team like WFT. We take Jamim Davis, whoever their QB is, and a 1 and 2 next year. We take a pass on 2021 and then start Love in 2022 and make a run at it.

 

[jhawk008]

Fair analysis.

My best hope is that is that they can still trade with SF: Rodgers for lance.

Or another team like WFT. We take Jamim Davis, whoever their QB is, and a 1 and 2 next year. We take a pass on 2021 and then start Love in 2022 and make a run at it.

Lmao even better, make last years pick of Love even worse and detrimental by trading for a complete unknown in Lance and giving up on last years #1 pick. I don't think you people understand this... the Packers FO are TIED TO LOVE and his success

 

[Jerellh528]

I'm sorry. I will never understand the insecurities that Rodgers has about someone named Jordan Love. Why would a reigning MVP, sure fire hall of famer worry about that? Does he just hate anyone named Jordan? I don't trust anyone with an ego that fragile. In the end, he will say it was his plan all along. No wonder his family hates him. Can you imagine the BS that they have dealt with for all these years. Good Luck Shailene. Congrats Danica. The patients are running the asylum. Cats and dogs living together in harmony. Chaos!

I don’t think he has an issue with love the player, the issue probably is that they were one game away from the super bowl, and rather than get a player who could help the team, they trade up in the first round to draft his immediate replacement. Plus with how his contract is structured, it makes it real easy for the packers to move on from him after the season. The structure of his contract and selecting Love was essentially the packers FO saying he’s gone within the next 2 seasons. He’s stated several times over his career that he wanted to play in Green Bay until he retires, into his 40s.
If I were in his shoes, I’d be pretty upset too. Especially if I were arguably the best QB of all time and have essentially carried the franchise on my back for a decade and a half.

 

[AmishMafia]

Lmao even better, make last years pick of Love even worse and detrimental by trading for a complete unknown in Lance and giving up on last years #1 pick. I don't think you people understand this... the Packers FO are TIED TO LOVE and his success

What you need to understand is the FO is dedicated to upgrading the team. Regardless of any emotions or fan perceived loyalties.

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

All of this does beg the question, How good can we be without top level QB play? I think that we could still be decent, I am not sure if I buy that we would be a bad team like some think, but I definitely don't see us being a super bowl contender without the type of QB who can put up gaudy stats, and create, extend, or make difficult plays.

If Rodgers is traded, while it would be almost impossible to replace his production over the next couple of seasons, could we realistically get someone who could provide at least decent QB play until if/when Love is ready? Also, is there anyway we could somehow get a top level QB in a trade?

 

[longtimefan]

I said it a while ago that they were working in his contract and thats why no real fa signing.

Murphy came out today and said they been working in this for months.

What ever the sticking point is dont just blame the fo because its easiest.

I still have a feeeling he said something last year that made them want to take Love.

 

[sjb12681]

From Charles Robinson over at yahoo sports:

https://sports.yahoo.com/if-packers...dout-or-retirement-is-possible-061232959.html

"Asked if anything could be done to repair the relationship between Rodgers and the team, the source said a reconciliation may not be possible if Gutekunst remains and that team president Mark Murphy is aware of the quarterback’s feelings about the general manager."

If this is true, 2 things:

1) Aaron Rodgers can kick rocks, and any fan who is saying we as an organization should allow ANY player to hold the team and front office hostage for this type of outcome can kick rocks too.

2) It would confirm EVERYTHING for me that was rumored in that expose' 2 years ago around AR and MM relationship, and how he nudged his coach out the door.

 

[sjb12681]

All of this does beg the question, How good can we be without top level QB play? I think that we could still be decent, I am not sure if I buy that we would be a bad team like some think, but I definitely don't see us being a super bowl contender without the type of QB who can put up gaudy stats, and create, extend, or make difficult plays.

If Rodgers is traded, while it would be almost impossible to replace his production over the next couple of seasons, could we realistically get someone who could provide at least decent QB play until if/when Love is ready? Also, is there anyway we could somehow get a top level QB in a trade?

I think if we traded Aaron today, and got a qb and another playmaker in the deal, plus other picks in the future... I think it's still conceivable we win our division, and push in the playoffs. There are a good amount of serviceable qbs out there that teams would package in a trade who could come in and run this offense, while love still sits back and waits another year.

Edit: I would think a team like the Raiders who have been trying to move Carr for years, who also DIDNT take a qb this year, and have a ho hum qb situation would be interested in this. The later into the weekend this has gone, I would be willing to see what they could offer.

 

[Poppa San]

love still sits back and waits another year.

You're going to take your lumps the 1st starting year of Love's career anyway so get it over now. We have a good OL and running game and quick release passing game to keep him from getting pummeled like David Carr or RGIII did. He just needs to see the defensive alignments that only experience gives.

 

[jhawk008]

What you need to understand is the FO is dedicated to upgrading the team. Regardless of any emotions or fan perceived loyalties.

If you continue down that model that you propose then you're getting fired.... actually probably not since Mark Murphy likes to hang on to trash-tier FO members past their expiration date.

Luckiest thing that ever happened to Green Bay was Rodgers turned out to be great. Let me emphasize the LUCKY part of that statement.

 

[RRyder]

If you continue down that model that you propose then you're getting fired.... actually probably not since Mark Murphy likes to hang on to trash-tier FO members past their expiration date.

Luckiest thing that ever happened to Green Bay was Rodgers turned out to be great. Let me emphasize the LUCKY part of that statement.

Luck is apart of the draft but it seems you are completely discounting the luck that Rodgers had going to a place where he could sit and get his mechanics broken down and rebuilt up for a few years.

Oh I'm sorry I'm sure though you think none of that mattered to his development

FYI Amish is right that a GM shouldn't be beholdin to fan perceived loyalties

 

[jhawk008]

I said it a while ago that they were working in his contract and thats why no real fa signing.

Murphy came out today and said they been working in this for months.

What ever the sticking point is dont just blame the fo because its easiest.

I still have a feeeling he said something last year that made them want to take Love.

I have a feeling it's more than just Love as to why Rodgers feels the way he does. Probably feels there are a bunch of snakes in the FO, which wouldn't be all that surprising. Rodgers has paid the bills for A LOT of FO members who didn't deserve the amount of time they were with the team. Eventually I'd get sick of it too

 

[jhawk008]

Luck is apart of the draft but it seems you are completely discounting the luck that Rodgers had going to a place where he could sit and get his mechanics broken down and rebuilt up for a few years.

Oh I'm sorry I'm sure though you think none of that mattered to his development

Luck is part of the draft, and Packers have been resting on the laurels of that "luck" for 10+ years. The 2nd part of your statement is unknowable

 

[sjb12681]

I have a feeling it's more than just Love as to why Rodgers feels the way he does. Probably feels there are a bunch of snakes in the FO, which wouldn't be all that surprising. Rodgers has paid the bills for A LOT of FO members who didn't deserve the amount of time they were with the team. Eventually I'd get sick of it too

I'm just curious, when we trade or release aaron, will you still be a packers fan, or will you be heading to the store to buy his next teams jersey and joining their message board?

 

[longtimefan]

Say he does retire...how much of signing bonus does he need to pay back?

 

[longtimefan]

I'm just curious, when we trade or release aaron, will you still be a packers fan, or will you be heading to the store to buy his next teams jersey and joining their message board?

Just like farve..there was a a video of a guy talking to ted saying if you dont bring back brett only bowl packers go to is the toilet bowl

 

[sjb12681]

Say he does retire...how much of signing bonus does he need to pay back?

Word is around 23mil. Not a guru but I'm sure theres other math with prorated bonus and whatnot

 

[longtimefan]

Word is around 23mil. Not a guru but I'm sure theres other math with prorated bonus and whatnot

He has to pay it all or can he do installments

 

[AmishMafia]

What you need to understand is the FO is dedicated to upgrading the team. Regardless of any emotions or fan perceived loyalties.

If you continue down that model that you propose then you're getting fired.... actually probably not since Mark Murphy likes to hang on to trash-tier FO members past their expiration date.

Luckiest thing that ever happened to Green Bay was Rodgers turned out to be great. Let me emphasize the LUCKY part of that statement.

Improving the team will get you fired?

You sure have an odd way of thinking.

Just read article that Rodgers will only come back if Gute is fired.

That is way over the line. ******** with a man's livelihood because your feelings are hurt? This is way over the line. If true, he needs to be gone. This is so childish and stupid.

 

[sjb12681]

He has to pay it all or can he do installments

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...kers-fix-things-to-his-liking-per-report/amp/

"If Rodgers were to retire, that's how much money he'd have to return to the team. The 37-year-old would have to return $11.5 million in signing bonus money for both 2021 and 2022 for a total of $23 million. On top of that, the team could probably fight to get back the $6.8 million roster bonus he was given in March, so Rodgers could be out nearly $30 million if he retires. "

 

[sjb12681]

This pretty much sums up everything I'm feeling right now:

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[jhawk008]

I'm just curious, when we trade or release aaron, will you still be a packers fan, or will you be heading to the store to buy his next teams jersey and joining their message board?

Ahh so you're a FO sheep that apparently only holds players feet to the fire.. that's really all you had to say to me, I get your type