Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[GreenBaySlacker]

How long must we hear Rodgers play the disrespect card? How long must we see him shake his head in disgust at teammates instead of mentoring them as a leader should? It was refreshing last year to see the man act like he enjoyed his job. Was it an act? I have to laugh when I read things from people like GreenBaySlacker who come up with all these "simple" solutions. Just sign this FA and that FA and draft a superstar WR and fire the coach and pay Rodgers and pay Rodgers and pay Rodgers and yadda yadda yadda. If you think that the Packers became relevant back in the early 90's because of #4, you couldn't be more wrong. Reggie White made them relevant again and made it okay to think of Green Bay as a football destination. Have they signed a significant FA since then? I can't think of one but they have signed players that have been reborn in Green Bay. Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson, Frankie "Bag of Donuts" Winters, Santana Dotson, and Ryan Pickett. There are more but you must admit that isn't a who's who of players. Woodson, the obvious great player on the list would have done anything to NOT play in Green Bay by his own admission. It's a 2-way street. Sadly, Titletown is not a hot destination for todays players. Todays athletes are holier than thou, egotistical cry babies that will scream and kick their feet until they get their way. Welcome to the club Mr. Rodgers. Your play has been incredible. Your leadership has been questionable. Your attitude is the complete opposite of your intelligence. The "poor me" thing got old for me a long time ago. Stay? Leave? I don't care. It comforts me to think that someone who has the world by the balls, somehow, someway still can ***** about their "tough" life.

Who are the wrs and TE again?

 

[AmishMafia]

This article makes a pretty good pro-Rodgers case (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/...odgers-green-bay-packers-trade-buzz-nfl-draft).
*They went for a field goal on third down (still can't believe it)

*They went for a field goal on third down (really still can't believe it)

*They went for a field goal on third down (really, really, really still can't believe it).

What the hell are you talking about? Is this about the NFCCG? It was 4th down.

The Packers would not have had to kick the FG if Rodgers would have just run it in.

 

[Dantés]

If this Charles Robinson piece is true, and Rodgers wants Gutekunst fired for drafting Love, then ship Rodgers out as far and as fast as humanly possible.

That has to be some of the most arrogant, egotistical, fragile, self-interested ******** I’ve ever heard of.

If the organization starts firing executives because individual draft picks upset individual players, board it up.

 

[AmishMafia]

In this case if say Rodgers knows better than the packers brass. And yes firing all of them. Gone. Buh bye.

And yes we made it to the NFC championship games because of Rodgers and not because the Smith brothers, gary and love. Duh.

The biggest mistake I see this FO made is not trading Rodgers on day 1 of this draft.

Gute needs to make this the best team possible. Not sure why your goal is just to make your sports hero happy.

 

[PackAttack12]

I can understand those that are unhappy with Rodgers and I can understand the philosophy of being pro-team regardless of how everything got to this point, but some of the conversation in this thread is so anti-reality.

You can say all day long that no person is bigger than the team, and that Rodgers isn't being a good soldier, and anything else you care to throw out there, but the only reason you don't see situations like this develop more often with more quarterbacks is because almost no player in the NFL has leverage against their team. Not even a lot of star quarterbacks.

Tom Brady though had so much leverage with Robert Kraft that he actually went over Belichick's head to the point that Kraft vetoed Belichick for the only time in their professional relationship and told him that you will trade Jimmy G. That was all due to Brady orchestrating the situation.

So this isn't something that is unique to Rodgers, yet he'll be vilified by some regardless.

The Packers created this situation by drafting Jordan Love. In doing so, you put Rodgers on the clock. And at the end of the day, the only reason you drafted his replacement is because you felt that Rodgers was declining and that his best days were long gone. But Rodgers proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he most certainly has plenty left in the tank.

So Rodgers is essentially saying re-commit to me, or trade me.

Even by Gutekunst's admission, the communication on the Love pick could have been handled much better than what it was, as it relates to including Rodgers or at the very least giving him a heads up. Again...GUTE said this.

But as is the case with a lot of things, he didn't offer this admission until he got presented with the reality that Rodgers is likely done with the organization.

Rodgers has a lot of pride and a lot of ego. But so do the Packers. That acted quite boldly in drafting Love. But Rodgers sent your plan into a tailspin by being the best player in the NFL this year.

Again, not saying you can't be anti-Rodgers, because I get it. But the Packers have plenty of culpability in all of this and they should be held accountable for their part in letting this situation get to where it is.

 

[Dantés]

The biggest mistake I see this FO made is not trading Rodgers on day 1 of this draft.

Gute needs to make this the best team possible. Not sure why your goal is just to make your sports hero happy.

I think they drafted Love with the goal of letting him sit two seasons and then making the transition and they refuse to allow Rodgers to speed up their timeline.

 

[Dantés]

I can understand those that are unhappy with Rodgers and I can understand the philosophy of being pro-team regardless of how everything got to this point, but some of the conversation in this thread is so anti-reality.

You can say all day long that no person is bigger than the team, and that Rodgers isn't being a good soldier, and anything else you care to throw out there, but the only reason you don't see situations like this develop more often with more quarterbacks is because almost no player in the NFL has leverage against their team. Not even a lot of star quarterbacks.

Tom Brady though had so much leverage with Robert Kraft that he actually went over Belichick's head to the point that Kraft vetoed Belichick for the only time in their professional relationship and told him that you will trade Jimmy G. That was all due to Brady orchestrating the situation.

So this isn't something that is unique to Rodgers, yet he'll be vilified by some regardless.

The Packers created this situation by drafting Jordan Love. In doing so, you put Rodgers on the clock. And at the end of the day, the only reason you drafted his replacement is because you felt that Rodgers was declining and that his best days were long gone. But Rodgers proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he most certainly has plenty left in the tank.

So Rodgers is essentially saying re-commit to me, or trade me.

Even by Gutekunst's admission, the communication on the Love pick could have been handled much better than what it was, as it relates to including Rodgers or at the very least giving him a heads up. Again...GUTE said this.

But as is the case with a lot of things, he didn't offer this admission until he got presented with the reality that Rodgers is likely done with the organization.

Rodgers has a lot of pride and a lot of ego. But so do the Packers. That acted quite boldly in drafting Love. But Rodgers sent your plan into a tailspin by being the best player in the NFL this year.

Again, not saying you can't be anti-Rodgers, because I get it. But the Packers have plenty of culpability in all of this and they should be held accountable for their part in letting this situation get to where it is.

Brady went over BB’s head to get the backup traded and then when he moved on, the team had nothing at QB and went in the tank.

Rodgers turns 38 this year. There’s every reason to plan for the transition. Him trying to blow up the FO because they’re doing that is insane.

It’s Gutekunst job to take care of the roster for now and the future.

 

[sschind]

This article makes a pretty good pro-Rodgers case (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/...odgers-green-bay-packers-trade-buzz-nfl-draft). My apologies if it was mentioned already.

Bullet points:

*Packers supposedly promised to trade him this offseason (doubt it tbh but huge if true)

*Love only offensive player we have drafted in round 1 since 2012 (lol didnt realize that. embarrassing for our FO)

*Bucs drafted two impact rookies in the first two rounds who helped them all year including against us. Meanwhile Packers drafted two third stringers.

*Kevin King was atrocious in NFC champ game and even if ur not drafting receiver in R1 could have picked anyone to do better (the anyone part i added cuz he sucked a ******** one in that game). They drafted Stokes this year but unfortunately he is unable to play in the 2020 NFC Championship game at this point.

*They went for a field goal on third down (still can't believe it)

*Didnt tell Rodgers the third down was their last play and would kick next play (meh)

*Whereas Rodgers was expected to be #1 overall pick in 2005 so getting him at 24 was almost a can't pass up this star potential deal not someone they sought out they traded up for Love who was a second round pick to most so they went out of their way to get his replacement.

*Kept McCarthy as coach too long (agreed 100%)

*They went for a field goal on third down (really still can't believe it)

*When Bucs got Brady immediately went crazy adding talent around him (AB, Gronk, first round left tackle, etc) even though already had playmakers on the roster in Goodwin and Evans as opposed to lack of urgency by GB in maxing Rodgers later years.

*Entering a staring contest with a guy who cut off his parents and returned the christmas gifts they sent him unopened not bright.

*They went for a field goal on third down (really, really, really still can't believe it).

A lot of speculation in that article and lots of 2020 hindsight as well. As far as your bullet points:

-Promised trade: I'll wait for confirmation from Rodgers before I comment. Gute has denied it. He could be lying but only Aaron can refute it and he could lie about it too.

-Only 1 offensive player: And yet they were in the NFCC game 2 years in a row with a historic offense last year. Yes due in large part to Rodgers but he is not the only offensive star. There are no guarantees a first round WR would have gotten them past the Bucs. And yes I understand that Love didn't help either but when you draft in April you aren't planning for one game the following February.

-Bucs draft: The Bucs were playing catch up when they signed Brady. The Packers had been to the NFCC game the year before. Not saying you don't improve but the methods are a little different between teams trying to catch up and teams trying to stay on top. Its kind of the same way you often see teams that dominate in the first half of a game look flat in the second. If what you are doing is working what do you change, while the other team makes changes. Did you see what the Bucs did this offseason. They kept every starter from the SB team and drafted a replacement for Brady. Why didn't they trade for a TE or sign a running back and head case WR. Because they already had a wining team, that's why. They did sign a few outside free agents but they had the money to do it with. Something the Packers might have done had their QB had been willing to restructure his contract to give more cap space like Brady did.

-King: No one they could have signed after that game would have helped. Gute was supposed to know King would be that bad. I guess his crystal ball was broken.

-FG on 4th: yeah bad call

-Not telling Rodgers: Maybe not smart but would he have went for it had Rodgers gotten the ball closer? I think he has said the result of the third down play played a huge factor in his decision to kick the FG had Rodgers ran and gotten to the 1 or 2 maybe MLF would have gone for it on 4th.

-Rodgers vs love: I don't see what Rodgers draft status has to do with it unless he is pissed they didn't trade up to get him as well and only took him after he fell. Of course he says he was cool with the pick after having time to think about it so either that's a non factor in all this or he was lying about that and it still bothers him.

-McCarthy: yup, agree on that one but its been 2 full seasons since they did move on. Why would that still stick in Rodgers craw. Is he upset that the FO didn't fire MM earlier like he wanted them to.

-FG on third down: I don't recall this that but its a practice that you see when a team needs two scores. Get the easy points now and leave time for the TD later instead of taking all the time to get the TD now


Another pro player rant that focusses on one thing. Aaron is pissed at management because they don't do what he wants them to do.


Its no wonder that Heifetz is so fond of the word "utter" although I found myself thinking more of its homophone "udder" until I realized bulls don't have udders.

 

[PackAttack12]

Brady went over BB’s head to get the backup traded and then when he moved on, the team had nothing at QB and went in the tank.

Rodgers turns 38 this year. There’s every reason to plan for the transition. Him trying to blow up the FO because they’re doing that is insane.

It’s Gutekunst job to take care of the roster for now and the future.

No doubt about it. Just saying that there would be a lot more of these situations if players had more leverage against teams. When you're the caliber of Brady or Rodgers, you have the ability to hold your teams hostage.

Not saying it's right, but it's the reality of it. And again, the Packers deserve some culpability for their part in allowing the relationship to get to the point of it being as fractured as it is currently.

The sad reality is, you have to coddle your superstar quarterback. You have to massage their egos. You have to build them up continuously. No one has to like that, but if you don't do it, you get a situation like this.

The Packers bet on Rodgers being done. Yet they don't want to live with the consequences of Rodgers flipping their plan on top of their collective heads with his play. So Rodgers is essentially exercising his leverage, just as many, many other players would do if they had the same opportunity.

 

[GigaPaladin]

What the hell are you talking about? Is this about the NFCCG? It was 4th down.

The Packers would not have had to kick the FG if Rodgers would have just run it in.

Lol meant to say went for a field goal on fourth down when down 8 points.

 

[Dantés]

No doubt about it. Just saying that there would be a lot more of these situations if players had more leverage against teams. When you're the caliber of Brady or Rodgers, you have the ability to hold your teams hostage.

Not saying it's right, but it's the reality of it. And again, the Packers deserve some culpability for their part in allowing the relationship to get to the point of it being as fractured as it is currently.

The sad reality is, you have to coddle your superstar quarterback. You have to massage their egos. You have to build them up continuously. No one has to like that, but if you don't do it, you get a situation like this.

The Packers bet on Rodgers being done. Yet they don't want to live with the consequences of Rodgers flipping their plan on top of their collective heads with his play. So Rodgers is essentially exercising his leverage, just as many, many other players would do if they had the same opportunity.

Yeah I know this is the narrative you hear a lot, but I’m not so sure it’s always true. I think when the QB is a better, more mature man, these things don’t come up.

I mean, Brees was getting pulled off the field last year so they could give snaps to a gadget QB. He was a man about it.

If you really want to see an organization that doesn’t help out it’s QB, look at the lines that Rivers had to play behind virtually his entire career. But he never said a word.

Roethlisberger squawks in the media! But he’s also a sleezy prima donna.

Maybe the organization was rude to him at some point. Idk. But I kinda doubt it. I think this is him flailing because they drafted a QB. And if that’s the way he wants to be, I hope they trade him for as much as they can get and he enjoys 7-9 in Las Vegas.

 

[Dantés]

I don’t get the narrative out there that “The Packers clearly mismanaged this situation.” I mean, maybe. But we don’t really know. Maybe the narrative should be “Rodgers is throwing an epic tantrum?” Why is the assumption total mismanagement on the team’s part?

 

[PackAttack12]

Yeah I know this is the narrative you hear a lot, but I’m not so sure it’s always true. I think when the QB is a better, more mature man, these things don’t come up.

I mean, Brees was getting pulled off the field last year so they could give snaps to a gadget QB. He was a man about it.

If you really want to see an organization that doesn’t help out it’s QB, look at the lines that Rivers had to play behind virtually his entire career. But he never said a word.

Roethlisberger squawks in the media! But he’s also a sleezy prima donna.

Maybe the organization was rude to him at some point. Idk. But I kinda doubt it. I think this is him flailing because they drafted a QB. And if that’s the way he wants to be, I hope they trade him for as much as they can get and he enjoys 7-9 in Las Vegas.

You're entitled to feel the way that you feel. I just refuse to completely let the Packers off the hook.

 

[Jerellh528]

Yeah I know this is the narrative you hear a lot, but I’m not so sure it’s always true. I think when the QB is a better, more mature man, these things don’t come up.

I mean, Brees was getting pulled off the field last year so they could give snaps to a gadget QB. He was a man about it.

If you really want to see an organization that doesn’t help out it’s QB, look at the lines that Rivers had to play behind virtually his entire career. But he never said a word.

Roethlisberger squawks in the media! But he’s also a sleezy prima donna.

Maybe the organization was rude to him at some point. Idk. But I kinda doubt it. I think this is him flailing because they drafted a QB. And if that’s the way he wants to be, I hope they trade him for as much as they can get and he enjoys 7-9 in Las Vegas.

Rodgers makes any team he’d go to a playoff team at least.
7-9? Packers would be lucky to hit that mark within a few years without Rodgers.

 

[Dantés]

You're entitled to feel the way that you feel. I just refuse to completely let the Packers off the hook.

I am open to them possibly having screwed something up, I just don’t know what that is or would be.

Seems to me like there’s a big assumption being made that they somehow did something to cause this.

 

[PackAttack12]

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[Dantés]

Rodgers makes any team he’d go to a playoff team at least.
7-9? Packers would be lucky to hit that mark within a few years without Rodgers.

Did you miss the years before LaFleur?

 

[PackAttack12]

I am open to them possibly having screwed something up, I just don’t know what that is or would be.

Seems to me like there’s a big assumption being made that they somehow did something to cause this.

As is the case with most things, I'm sure it's a little bit of both.

I'm not exonerating either side. Just not going to pretend as if either side is blameless.

 

[PackAttack12]

Did you miss the years before LaFleur?

year*

 

[Mondio]

I can understand those that are unhappy with Rodgers and I can understand the philosophy of being pro-team regardless of how everything got to this point, but some of the conversation in this thread is so anti-reality.

You can say all day long that no person is bigger than the team, and that Rodgers isn't being a good soldier, and anything else you care to throw out there, but the only reason you don't see situations like this develop more often with more quarterbacks is because almost no player in the NFL has leverage against their team. Not even a lot of star quarterbacks.

Tom Brady though had so much leverage with Robert Kraft that he actually went over Belichick's head to the point that Kraft vetoed Belichick for the only time in their professional relationship and told him that you will trade Jimmy G. That was all due to Brady orchestrating the situation.

So this isn't something that is unique to Rodgers, yet he'll be vilified by some regardless.

The Packers created this situation by drafting Jordan Love. In doing so, you put Rodgers on the clock. And at the end of the day, the only reason you drafted his replacement is because you felt that Rodgers was declining and that his best days were long gone. But Rodgers proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he most certainly has plenty left in the tank.

So Rodgers is essentially saying re-commit to me, or trade me.

Even by Gutekunst's admission, the communication on the Love pick could have been handled much better than what it was, as it relates to including Rodgers or at the very least giving him a heads up. Again...GUTE said this.

But as is the case with a lot of things, he didn't offer this admission until he got presented with the reality that Rodgers is likely done with the organization.

Rodgers has a lot of pride and a lot of ego. But so do the Packers. That acted quite boldly in drafting Love. But Rodgers sent your plan into a tailspin by being the best player in the NFL this year.

Again, not saying you can't be anti-Rodgers, because I get it. But the Packers have plenty of culpability in all of this and they should be held accountable for their part in letting this situation get to where it is.

I agree with a lot of this. But where I disagree, Rodgers was already on the clock when he signed that deal. anytime after this season his odds of being released for production vs salary went up. He may feel more pressure by the Love pick, he's a big boy and can handle pressure. I've seen him do it.

Now if Rodgers is really "done" with the Packers because he can't get past the fact he's going to have to keep earning his spot then so be it, it was fun while it lasted. But love or no Love it was always a greater possibility after this season anyway.

He had an excellent year last year, i'd expect another one this year if he stays healthy, I wouldn't expect him to have another 4-5 years like that though and if he'd have had a year last year like the previous, people would be wondering why we're paying him a 30+ average every year and would be looking for his replacement now, which would still put him as being done after this year or next on par with what his chances are now. Probably greater even.

But i'm still not buying reports he's "done". he might be mad, and he might not like Gute for all I care. He doesn't need to. But he has a team that works for him and a fan base that has supported him for a long time too. He can suck it up and play yet, I'm pretty sure of that.

 

[AKCheese]

Nothing says Rodgers has multiple really good years left... nothing. Yes he was great last year. Farve played at MVP consideration levels with the Jets (before he tore the bicep in his throwing arm) and his year in Minny. It was about motivation and attitude... then he flammed out. If Rodgers is mentally done... then he is done... period. At this point I would take the $30Mil refund and move on. Rodgers and his apologists can play the woulda coulda shoulda game of his career. End of the day Rodgers had plenty of culpability for coming up short in big games. His performance in the NFCCG was underwhelming. He was PART of the problem. His public statements since have been in my opinion pathetic and embarrassing. A quarterback must perform athletically but ALSO must lead the team. His ability to to the latter is in huge doubt at this point. Green Bay has all the cards.... all of them. The only card Rodgers had was trying to win another Super Bowl in Green Bay and it looks like he’s folding. Next man up...

 

[OldSchool101]

The biggest mistake I see this FO made is not trading Rodgers on day 1 of this draft.

Gute needs to make this the best team possible. Not sure why your goal is just to make your sports hero happy.

I'm not a Cap expert, but I did hear the team would save considerable $ by making it post June 1, which is just 1 month. I don't think its the main reason, but his salary has pretty substantial impact and that's a factor. I also truly believe they are working to extend him, but at a cost (in time and monetarily) they can live with.

Its all about the economics for our FO and it's a exercise in cost vs. benefit on a grand scale with many variables.

Reading between the lines, I believe Aaron Rodgers is still holding a grudge for what they did to Jordy, his QB coach, Cobb and now Linsley. I don't think he ever accepted those blunt player and coaching cuts, at least not in the format they came. It's just my opinion.. but the FO insulted his friends and I can understand his issue there, but the "eye for an eye" approach never works long term. It just sounds good, but doing the right thing is always better, even if those around you make it easy to echo their poor judgement.

That said, the GB front office had this coming, while they say it's "just business" when they are cold and calculating.. how is that business working now? Not good and its a black eye to the Packers.

I said it before and I'll reiterate it.. you treat people like you'd want to be treated and you get grace for your own shortcomings. You treat people with disrespect or disdain and you get the curse of disdain and it always catches up with you and if it doesn't? It's because the Lord took you out of the equation all-together. Pressed down, twice shaken and overflowing it is measured back to us

 

[Dantés]

year*

13-18-1 over two seasons no?

 

[LetzBreel]

I'm sorry. I will never understand the insecurities that Rodgers has about someone named Jordan Love. Why would a reigning MVP, sure fire hall of famer worry about that? Does he just hate anyone named Jordan? I don't trust anyone with an ego that fragile. In the end, he will say it was his plan all along. No wonder his family hates him. Can you imagine the BS that they have dealt with for all these years. Good Luck Shailene. Congrats Danica. The patients are running the asylum. Cats and dogs living together in harmony. Chaos!

 

[Dantés]

As is the case with most things, I'm sure it's a little bit of both.

I'm not exonerating either side. Just not going to pretend as if either side is blameless.

Yeah I hear what you’re saying. I am just saying that at the moment, I don’t know what the team is meant to have done. But I do know what Rodgers is doing, and I find that to be petty and childish.