Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

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Yep. The other thing is why poor old Aaron getting picked on if he’s completely innocent. Is there a conspiracy against Aaron? Do the other 31 starting QB’s keep perfection with every player relationship? I doubt it.
Exactly. Aaron makes for good drama and TV. Much of which he has brought on himself. I actually think he enjoys basking in the limelight and then pretends not to. I've really enjoyed watching him play football, but I won't miss any of the other stuff after he is gone.
 

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According to Rodgers, nothing had been determined prior to his darkness retreat and it was then, that he hoped to get more clarity on his end of the decision. Now if you are implying that the Packers have been busy working with creating contingency plans for all of the scenarios that could result, after Rodgers informs them of his decision, I agree with you. They would be pretty stupid to have closed up shop and sat around waiting for Rodgers.

As I have said before, it is disappointing that the FO has to once expend so much time and resources towards all of the "what if this, this or this happens" scenarios around 1 fricking player, but when you have Rodgers at QB, seems you have to put up with that every offseason.
Yeah it's not a lot different in that regard then when Favre left town. Seemed like 2 or 3 years he was retiring. Then he went to Favre, deciding to unreturned after the draft.
 

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By "Peers", do you mean only those super close to Rodgers? I have no idea who Rodgers knows and how well he knows them, same with Klecko. I assume Rodgers family knows him well enough, to say some of the things that they have said about him. I assume that teammates and active players might speak the truth or be very careful with saying anything negative about another active player in the NFL. Typically, we hear most of the negatives after the smoke has cleared, more is known and players are no longer linked by the same employer, The NFL.

If you or anyone reacts to an article like the Klecko one with a "oh hell, just another person shooting their mouths over things they don't know anything about", I understand that, but how do you or I know that they don't know what they are talking about? I also acknowledge that most of what we talk about and hear, when it comes to Rodgers is speculative. However, if those conversations upset people, I find it funny that they jump in and feel like they need to defend his character with the same argument(s), when it comes to others opinions. Defending a guy that they know very little about, except for things that they have decided are acceptable as information.
By peers I mean current and former teammates.
 

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Yep. The other thing is why poor old Aaron getting picked on if he’s completely innocent. Is there a conspiracy against Aaron? Do the other 31 starting QB’s keep perfection with every player relationship? I doubt it.

I don’t need to condemn the guy to say that it’s no big secret that Aaron has a history of possessing an abrasive personality. It’s happened with his family and it’s been verified by those family members. That’s relatively rare in itself imo. Most players love their parents and siblings and they are often even very visually supportive at games. See Brett Favre, Aaron Jones etc..

Btw. Have you guys ever seen his direct family supporting him at games? Mom, Dad, Brother etc?? Maybe we have, idk I’d be curious?
I know plenty of folks who do not speak to certain family members. It is really sad. I come from a close family so I have a hard time relating to that kind of friction.
 

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Exactly. Aaron makes for good drama and TV. Much of which he has brought on himself. I actually think he enjoys basking in the limelight and then pretends not to. I've really enjoyed watching him play football, but I won't miss any of the other stuff after he is gone.
Yeah even his number 1 buddy, Steven A. Smith said Rodgers is working harder to create headlines than winning championships.

Personally, I'm tired of the drama but hey, it comes with the player. I'll miss his play. I won't miss anything else. Seems a lot of people are just exhausted by the guy. And I agree, he likes the attention, no matter what he says to the contrary.
 

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Aren't we all out side sources?

So why would our opinion be any different?
Well, it wouldn't be, but that's the point.

There's a big difference between operating under the assumption that so-and-so "knows something" until they are proven wrong and assuming so-and-so *doesn't* know something until they are proven correct.

When we are all more or less operating from a position from ignorance (and we are, no doubt), it's much more prudent to lean towards the latter.
 

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Are you referring to Klecko's comments on whether he thinks Rodgers would be a good fit for the Jets or not? He is merely giving his opinion on how he thinks Rodgers would fit in, on a team that he used to play for and I assume he is still connected to. Explain to me why his opinion should be viewed as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This isn't a trial. I am not using his "testimony" to come to a verdict.
Well I think there's a couple of problems with that.

I don't know one way or another if it would be smart to assume that he is still connected to the Jets in any meaningful way. Last I heard he did some sort of post game analysis for the Jets' in-house media but I don't know of any official connections beyond that. I do think it's probably not unfair to suggest that a guy who last played 30+ years ago is probably not particularly familiar with the current players on the team and/or the "locker room culture" at present. How many of us are familiar enough with the employees at a company we worked at 30 years ago to say who would or wouldn't be a good fit with the current culture?

Similarly I am fairly confident in saying that he probably has no idea about Rodgers beyond what he has heard in the media as well, unless Joe Klecko is (surprisingly) in Rodgers' "inner circle".

And so with that in mind what we're essentially saying is:

A guy who last played for a team 30 years ago thinks that a guy he has probably never met or held a conversation with is not going to be a good fit in a locker room full of guys that he's probably never met or held a conversation with.

So yeah, that's his opinion, but my point is that we don't give all opinions the same weight. If you think Joe Klecko's opinion on the matter is particularly significant/meaningful/noteworthy/etc that's your prerogative and that's fine but what I'm saying is that I am operating out of the assumption that his opinion is probably largely uninformed until I'm given reason to believe otherwise.
 

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Well I think there's a couple of problems with that.

I don't know one way or another if it would be smart to assume that he is still connected to the Jets in any meaningful way. Last I heard he did some sort of post game analysis for the Jets' in-house media but I don't know of any official connections beyond that. I do think it's probably not unfair to suggest that a guy who last played 30+ years ago is probably not particularly familiar with the current players on the team and/or the "locker room culture" at present. How many of us are familiar enough with the employees at a company we worked at 30 years ago to say who would or wouldn't be a good fit with the current culture?

Similarly I am fairly confident in saying that he probably has no idea about Rodgers beyond what he has heard in the media as well, unless Joe Klecko is (surprisingly) in Rodgers' "inner circle".

And so with that in mind what we're essentially saying is:

A guy who last played for a team 30 years ago thinks that a guy he has probably never met or held a conversation with is not going to be a good fit in a locker room full of guys that he's probably never met or held a conversation with.

So yeah, that's his opinion, but my point is that we don't give all opinions the same weight. If you think Joe Klecko's opinion on the matter is particularly significant/meaningful/noteworthy/etc that's your prerogative and that's fine but what I'm saying is that I am operating out of the assumption that his opinion is probably largely uninformed until I'm given reason to believe otherwise.
So Joe is like everyone here?

What if he thought.. a young locker room, may not want an older player?

every day it will be--what's Aaron like?

Maybe Joe knows a young locker room will have a hard time adjusting

Maybe Joe is an idiot and just giving his opinion..
 

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So Joe is like everyone here?
Didn’t say that
What if he thought.. a young locker room, may not want an older player?
Yes, maybe he *thought* that.
every day it will be--what's Aaron like?
Maybe
Maybe Joe knows a young locker room will have a hard time adjusting
Maybe Joe *thinks* a young locker room will have a hard time adjusting. He doesn’t know that; today’s locker rooms are not the locker rooms of 30+ years ago.
Maybe Joe is an idiot and just giving his opinion..
Didn’t say that either, but yes, it does seem to be just his opinion.

How much stock you choose to put in that *opinion* is of course up to you.
 

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There's not one player currently on the Jets team that was even born when Klecko last played. He's allowed his opinion as a Jets HOF'er, but doubt he has any "inside information" on the Jets current roster, coaching or GM mindset. Pretty sure he isn't part of AR's weekend hang-out group (of Bakhtiari, Cobb, Klecko?? :) ) so don't think he's privvy to AR's mind-set. Hopefully AR decides soon so that Gute (& we) know how GB will proceed into the '23 season.

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Flacco was 3 yrs old, & Zuerlein was just over 1 yr old when Klecko retired.
One year when he was playing their def. front four could have won the super bowl on their own. And then a couple of them got hurt.
 
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No real surprise here......you know, if there is any truth to this writers opinion. :rolleyes:


Do you even care to read those articles you link to? There's absolutely no new information in this one and it doesn't indicate Rodgers having made a decision by now would have made any difference.

Actually, I don't need Peter King to tell me that it doesn't make (and never did) a whole lot of sense for the Texans, Colts, Raiders and Panthers to trade for Rodgers as all of them are more than an elite quarterback away from being legit contenders. Especially if they need to give up significant draft capital to acquire him.

As I have said all along the Jets are the only team that truly makes sense to be interested in a trade for Rodgers. Unfortunately that might result in the compensation for the Packers to be less than a lot of fans currently expect.

I might agree more in certain seasons. However 2021 was not the same as 2022 for the Green Bay Offense. We just lost arguably the best WR to QB duo in the NFL. We can’t just plug in a new WR and expect to garner another MVP performance. It takes a bit of luck and a whole lot of commitment to getting the remaining options to speed. Especially after drafting 3 new WR’s (2 of which would have to start) and only having really 2 bonafide, in system WR’s left in Cobb and Lazard. I think the bulk of members in here would agree that relying on a Rookie WR to assume the role of WR1 or even WR2 is just too optimistic. So why act like we won’t miss a beat? Lazard is not 1400 yard guy and never will be.

That’s an offseason that I disagree with operating “business as usual”. It’s just not a usual offseason imo. In particular here because the Packers also displayed their commitment through a record breaking contract and #12 should’ve reciprocated.
Is it absolutely mandatory? No. However not everything in life that is allowable is beneficial or edifying for all those involved.

My point is that it's completely unrealistic to expect that Rodgers showing up for OTAs would have made a significant difference. As you correctly pointed out, the Packers lacked talent at pass catchers and the quarterback being here for nine days of glorified walkthroughs wouldn't have improved the talent level among the group at all.

By "Peers", do you mean only those super close to Rodgers? I have no idea who Rodgers knows and how well he knows them, same with Klecko.

Yet you feel Klecko's opinion is important enough to share it with the world despite there being no evidence of him actually knowing anyone on the Jets roster or Rodgers :rolleyes:

Typically, we hear most of the negatives after the smoke has cleared, more is known and players are no longer linked by the same employer, The NFL.

I agree with that take. Yet there have only been two former players who have spoken negatively about Rodgers. And I don't put a whole lot of stock into Finley and Jennings.

If you or anyone reacts to an article like the Klecko one with a "oh hell, just another person shooting their mouths over things they don't know anything about", I understand that, but how do you or I know that they don't know what they are talking about? I also acknowledge that most of what we talk about and hear, when it comes to Rodgers is speculative.

Yet you consider those negative spin of Rodgers as a fact.

However, if those conversations upset people, I find it funny that they jump in and feel like they need to defend his character with the same argument(s), when it comes to others opinions. Defending a guy that they know very little about, except for things that they have decided are acceptable as information.

I'm not upset at all. I truly believe that people need to realize that most articles posted on the web completely lack any credible information and should be considered click-bait first and foremost. Unfortunately most people lack the ability to figure that out.

Are you referring to Klecko's comments on whether he thinks Rodgers would be a good fit for the Jets or not? He is merely giving his opinion on how he thinks Rodgers would fit in, on a team that he used to play for and I assume he is still connected to. Explain to me why his opinion should be viewed as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This isn't a trial. I am not using his "testimony" to come to a verdict.

There's no evidence Klecko knows any of the current Jets players nor Rodgers. Therefore I don't see any reason to put more stock into his opinion than anyone else around here for example.

Exactly. I think for some, if your opinion doesn't mesh with theirs, you have no right to that opinion, because you are basing your opinion on others opinion, that they also don't agree with.

You're completely off on that one as well. In my opinion it's a terrible approach to rely on opinions of people who don't have any inside information while completely ignoring the facts.

When talking about Rodgers, if the Packers are truly that fed up with him as you believe why did they sign him to an extension last offseason? If there are a ton of players considering him a terrible leader as you suggest why didn't they quit once they fell to 4-8 last season but rallied around him to nearly make the playoffs?

You haven't been able to answer any of those questions as it actually indicates the Packers aren't done with him. On top of it, you continue to ignore stories like the one Keisean Nixon told during the season because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Side note, sometimes I and others write "IMO" (In My Opinion). Seems like when you forget to add that, certain people want to assume you are trying to be 100% factual. Would be a pretty boring forum and life for that matter, if all we discussed were 100% proven facts.

Well, it helps if you don't post stuff like "It's a fact Rodgers has put himself above the team" in the first place.

As I have said before, it is disappointing that the FO has to once expend so much time and resources towards all of the "what if this, this or this happens" scenarios around 1 fricking player, but when you have Rodgers at QB, seems you have to put up with that every offseason.

As I have suggested before, the Packers front office should force Carr to make a decision as well as the Ravens to figure out what they're doing with Lamar moving forward so the front office doesn't have to deal with those factors either.

Yeah even his number 1 buddy, Steven A. Smith said Rodgers is working harder to create headlines than winning championships.

I advocate to not put any stock into anything Steven A. Smith or any other of those talking heads is saying.
 

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Didn’t say that either, but yes, it does seem to be just his opinion.

How much stock you choose to put in that *opinion* is of course up to you.
When it fits your narrative you put all your stock in it. And you dig up everyone you can find on the internet, including from people who have no idea who they are. Even "fansided" is legit these days. and anyone that questions "why" it should be a valuable opinion or why it should carry some weight with you is labeled a Rodgers lover, apologist and they'll make passive aggressive twit quips all day long pretending they're a victim and then tell everyone how they're just here for debate and conversation.

I put Klecko's opinion right up their with Teddy Bruschi's in saying the Jets need a QB like Rodgers if they want to win a championship ever. It's just guys talking.
 

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Didn’t say that

Yes, maybe he *thought* that.

Maybe

Maybe Joe *thinks* a young locker room will have a hard time adjusting. He doesn’t know that; today’s locker rooms are not the locker rooms of 30+ years ago.

Didn’t say that either, but yes, it does seem to be just his opinion.

How much stock you choose to put in that *opinion* is of course up to you.
I really dont care what Joe thinks on Rodgers. I mostly agree with you that he is to far removed from the game. But his opinion could be taken a few different ways.
 

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So Joe is like everyone here?

What if he thought.. a young locker room, may not want an older player?

every day it will be--what's Aaron like?

Maybe Joe knows a young locker room will have a hard time adjusting

Maybe Joe is an idiot and just giving his opinion..
I didn't think about the age difference until you brought it up. Yeah it will be like a 15-20 year difference. That's huge just in terms of life experience. Maybe the Jets don't want Rodgers pitching hallucinogenics and darkness retreats to the young uns. ;)
 

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Do you even care to read those articles you link to? There's absolutely no new information in this one and it doesn't indicate Rodgers having made a decision by now would have made any difference.
Hey, thanks for reminding me and everyone, that what I posted was an opinion. I figured that my opening made that perfectly clear.

No real surprise here......you know, if there is any truth to this writers opinion. :rolleyes:

Your post and rant IN MY OPINION makes it seem like you are upset that others like myself have opinions that differ from yours. Don't read those articles or posts that you disagree with then, it will save you time and reduce your blood pressure.

Yet you consider those negative spin of Rodgers as a fact.

You really need to get a better understanding of fact VS opinion.
 

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Hey, thanks for reminding me and everyone, that what I posted was an opinion. I figured that my opening made that perfectly clear.



Your post and rant IN MY OPINION makes it seem like you are upset that others like myself have opinions that differ from yours. Don't read those articles or posts that you disagree with then, it will save you time and reduce your blood pressure.



You really need to get a better understanding of fact VS opinion.
Poker, suggest you put him on ignore. I did that months ago and this forum experience has increased 1000%.
 

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It is funny to see the same posts from the same people generally accusing others of being upset, while being upset someone has challenged their opinion LOL. and the solution, put them on ignore so you don't have to see it and then have the audacity to yet again state its others who can't handle differing opinions.
 

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It is funny to see the same posts from the same people generally accusing others of being upset, while being upset someone has challenged their opinion LOL. and the solution, put them on ignore so you don't have to see it and then have the audacity to yet again state its others who can't handle differing opinions.
A little passive/aggressive today? “Ignore” is useful for people who constantly look for arguments. That said, there is only one person on here who requires its use. Well, unless you’re entertained by nonsense.
 

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A little passive/aggressive today? “Ignore” is useful for people who constantly look for arguments. That said, there is only one person on here who requires its use. Well, unless you’re entertained by nonsense.
I thought I was pretty direct. and some days, yes, I'm entertained by nonsense. Do any of us really make a difference in the sports world on here?
 

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Poker, suggest you put him on ignore. I did that months ago and this forum experience has increased 1000%.
Thanks, and while that is always an option, sadly, it isn't a 2 way ignore. So really it is only effective if those you put on ignore respect and accept it. I already have one asshat on ignore that was so butthurt about me ignoring him, that he continues to shadow me and post negative BS about me. Fortunately, there are only a few people in this forum that come here just to be the fly in the ointment.
 

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Thanks, and while that is always an option, sadly, it isn't a 2 way ignore. So really it is only effective if those you put on ignore respect and accept it. I already have one asshat on ignore that was so butthurt about me ignoring him, that he continues to shadow me and post negative BS about me. Fortunately, there are only a few people in this forum that come here just to be the fly in the ointment.
See, this is exactly what i'm talking about. This twit right here will go on and on with these twit quips and make comments like this
Unfortunately, we are in a small minority that believes that. Those final 4 wins cost the Packers a lot more than what they gained that is for sure. Sadly, the majority will never admit that and preach to you that "we can't instill a loser mentality". Yeah right, because doing what is best for the team in the long term, will install a loser mentality :rolleyes: ....weak minded people think and believe that crap.
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which anyone here long enough knows Poker takes that shot at my username and this is just a recent one. but he's ignoring me right? Right? he respects it, right? Right. Lol enough to continue to take shots. No name calling or trying to demean anyone in there LOL

How many times has Poker said stuff about calling names, yet here is, calling names. I've been called worse than ******. I could probably go find a post of this hypocrite chastising anyone calling anyone a name "...and now you have resorted to insults, name calling and trying to demean someone. Good luck in life....."

If i'm "posting BS" it's only because I'm quoting you :)

I know you'll read this, and I know you're probably sending direct messages to some others. I know the drill.

I'm not shadowing you and if I was how would you know? I'm ignored, right? right LOL It's a public forum. I am responding to you though, since you've made yet another post directed at someone you're "ignoring" so you can take a shot again. It's been your MO for years.
 

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Thanks, and while that is always an option, sadly, it isn't a 2 way ignore. So really it is only effective if those you put on ignore respect and accept it. I already have one asshat on ignore that was so butthurt about me ignoring him, that he continues to shadow me and post negative BS about me. Fortunately, there are only a few people in this forum that come here just to be the fly in the ointment.
There aren’t many who are pathologically uninteresting and disagree with everyone. As for Ignore, it works for me if I honor it and refuse to look at any comments from that person. Based on history, I’m not missing anything anyway.
 

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I've UNfollowed this thread about 4 times over the last month but keep coming back to the same sniping. :( Can it be re-titled "Forum members disgruntled..."? I know we're all yearning for some actual football and/or Packer news but a little patience would be nice as it'll be coming?
 

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I know we're all yearning for some actual football and/or Packer news but a little patience would be nice as it'll be coming?
Well, that is what some of us are debating, that being, if opinions concerning the Rodgers situation as well as opinions of other things relating to the Packers, are news worthy or not. Some seem to think certain things are not worthy of being shared or discussed here, which is fine, but then those posters should wait as patiently as you have, for what they deem to be actual news, in their opinion of course. Personally, I like to read, discuss and hear others opinions of these said opinions. Discussing them doesn't mean they are necessary factual opinions, but non-the less they might be worthy of discussion for some of us.
 

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