Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah. #12 actually performed admirable when we factor applied resources at TE or WR. One of the higher selections on Offense was AJ Dillon. Obviously #17 was a 2nd Rounder, but that was 9 drafts ago, which is an eternity.

I think I understand what our FO was doing. They had a QB that was going to hold his own even with a slightly below league average expenditure on Offensive resources. That way they could build up a prolific Defense. One problem was we couldn’t get out of our own way, we’d finish just shy of a SB in multiple seasons and it left us selecting leftovers in consecutive drafts. Then we did an adequate to below average job selecting, developing and properly utilizing our draft picks.


We brought in Davante Adams and Elgton Jenkins and AJ Dillon, but aside from that was some misses just inside the top 100. Across how many drafts did we consistently try to use late 4th-7th Rounders to supply our Offense?

Rodgers was almost his own worse nightmare, in that he could make up for the fact that there were not a lot of resources (Free agents and draft picks) being put into the offense. It is also no secret, that for whatever reason, it seemed even some of the better TE's and WR's took time with Rodgers to establish chemistry. TT and Gute never really went all in with what I think would have been the big difference maker, 1 or 2 high profile FA WR signings. Instead, they both just let really good WR's leave GB.

 

[Heyjoe4]

As of the last 4-5 seasons, the Packers have held on to them, because they have nothing better. We are also not always talking about #5 and #6 spots on the WR depth chart. Some of these guys, that slowly went away, were higher on the depth chart at times. Very few of these guys are going to another team and having a successful career. MVS is the only one that comes to mind and he was probably our #2 guy when he left and I don't really think he was worth what KC paid him.

I can't say it enough, the back half of Rodgers career is always going to be remembered for the Packers not providing him enough receiving weapons.

You're correct. And other than the one year Tonyan produced, and the occasional Lewis pass/TD (always entertaining), Rodgers has had absolutely no TE help. Cook might count here, but it was only one year and the guy was never gonna be an all Pro.

Part of the problem was putting up with the inept Dom Capers for so long, and constantly having to use 1st and 2nd round picks on D. I think they found enough talent over the years, with the exception of DC.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think we have had options over the past several years and either the coaches don't give them a real chance (except in preseason where they do well, so what's the point). or Rodgers is too picky and his mind is already made up about players and routes before the ball is hiked or the coaches have their special guys and others are left out.

Name those options. I was trying to think of guys that didn't make the final 53 and honestly, there aren't any that pop into my head. Rodgers like Kumerow and some including him thought GB should have hung on to him. Meh...Kumerow has 7 catches in 3 seasons in Buffalo.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You're correct. And other than the one year Tonyan produced, and the occasional Lewis pass/TD (always entertaining), Rodgers has had absolutely no TE help. Cook might count here, but it was only one year and the guy was never gonna be an all Pro.

Part of the problem was putting up with the inept Dom Capers for so long, and constantly having to use 1st and 2nd round picks on D. I think they found enough talent over the years, with the exception of DC.

I agree with the first part and the fact that TT should have held on to Cook and instead he got Bennett and Graham...2 FA TE's that had seen much better days.

Now the second part. Yeah, Capers sucked, but TT and Gute (mainly TT) took a ton of swing and misses on defense, with high picks to boot. Had they hit on some of those, then the offense might have gotten some attention in the draft or free agency. Seemed like both GM's have had this bug up their butts to produce a top 10 D and they can't. Meanwhile, they have a FHOQB, that is working with rocks and sticks at times.

 

[OldSchool101]

Rodgers was almost his own worse nightmare, in that he could make up for the fact that there were not a lot of resources (Free agents and draft picks) being put into the offense. It is also no secret, that for whatever reason, it seemed even some of the better TE's and WR's took time with Rodgers to establish chemistry. TT and Gute never really went all in with what I think would have been the big difference maker, 1 or 2 high profile FA WR signings. Instead, they both just let really good WR's leave GB.

Yeah. I know it’s hindsight. But pairing #17 with a dynamic WR worthy of a later 1st round or earlier 2nd round grade would’ve been tough for opponents to stop.
It’s my opinion, but had we done that for Aaron, I think his attitude would’ve been more positive. He became fully aware of how little we gave him and it started to bother him some. Then we go draft a QB when we were poised to push our chips in. I understand why we got Jordan, but I didn’t initially agree with that. QB came 2-3 years to soon imo. Had We supplied Aaron and he still declined we could’ve went QB as early as 2021

 

[Heyjoe4]

Don't ever, ever say this again, even in jest!!!!! . Don't want word to get back to Gute that the fan-base would accept such a move.

Derek Carr is a second place trophy in the QB FA market, and a distant second at that. I think if the Jets wanted him, that deal would be done. It seems like they're waiting on what will happen with Rodgers. I love the idea of trading him for the Jets' #13 and WR Elijah Moore. I'm sure they're ok parting with the draft pick. Elijah Moore though? That's a big ask.

But even the #13 pick gives the Packers a chance to get a TE and either an Edge guy (Van Ness seems to be the favorite), an OT, or a S (Branch?). Still a pretty good deal for a 39 y/o QB IMO.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah. I know it’s hindsight. But pairing #17 with a dynamic WR worthy of a later 1st round or earlier 2nd round grade would’ve been tough for opponents to stop.

Not only would it have made the offense better, it probably would have kept the defense off the field more and less relied upon to play really well. One thing that always seemed to kill the Packer offense, even in GB's 13 win seasons, was a defense that had a solid front 7, as well as 1-2 good DB's. Rodgers had less time to find open receivers and many of the not so talented receivers, were not getting open quick enough.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I agree with the first part and the fact that TT should have held on to Cook and instead he got Bennett and Graham...2 FA TE's that had seen much better days.

Now the second part. Yeah, Capers sucked, but TT and Gute (mainly TT) took a ton of swing and misses on defense, with high picks to boot. Had they hit on some of those, then the offense might have gotten some attention in the draft or free agency. Seemed like both GM's have had this bug up their butts to produce a top 10 D and they can't. Meanwhile, they have a FHOQB, that is working with rocks and sticks at times.

Good point. I recall one draft, I think it was TT, where they took Damarius Randall in the first round and either Quentin Rollins or Josh Jackson in the second. I may have Rollins and Jackson mixed up. The point is, they were all misses. Then they let Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde leave, and those guys had great careers. Ugh.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But they didnt win a SB 2 years ago .....and they went 8-9 when he didn't show up for OTA's in 2022 and they won a Super Bowl in 2010 when he did and they......

Rodgers showed up for every OTA practice from 2008 to '20. The Packers only won the Super Bowl once in those 13 seasons. Therefore using the 2010 season hardly works as evidence that the results would have been any different in 2021 or '22 if he showed up.

Again, for maybe the 12th or so time, you can run excuses, as well as cause and effects, for Rodgers, all day long, using his "performance" as your motivator to turn a blind eye to the man's actions.

It's true that I solely care about Rodgers performance as long as he doesn't get into troubles like Deshaun Watson or a ton of other players around the league.

However, it doesn't change the fact that the guy places himself way ahead of the team, sets bad examples and a lot of people notice it and are disgusted/fed up by it.

You obviously have absolutely no idea on how to differentiate between a fact and pure speculation on your part.

I would like someone to tell my why someone feels it would have been wrong for Aaron to show up for OTA's.

Nobody is suggesting Rodgers showing up for OTAs would have been a bad thing. I actually mentioned repeatedly that I would have preferred him to be there. But, I don't believe it's a big deal either and had close to no effect on the team's success over the past two years.

Go look at what Patrick Mahomes did last season. He called private practices with his players and it’s factual. Call it OTA or whatever, Off season is offseason and yes The 2023 MVP spent time with his players in OTA. There’s a reason KC finished #1 and early preparation plays a key role. If folks didn’t learn that yet, we never will.

5000+ yards. MVP. Super Bowl Champion are the result of FULL preparation. Pat lost his WR1 and decided to go full throttle with his new hands at WR and his effort paid BIG dividends.

The 2021 MVP spent all offseason away from the team and yet was able to make it work. I truly believe a lot of you put way too much stock into those offseason practices.

Interesting to listen to Hall of Famer Joe Klecko talk about how Rodgers would fit or may I say "wouldn't fit" with the Jets:

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Klecko seems to be a great source for knowing what Rodgers would bring to a team. You just need to ignore that he most likely has never met Rodgers in person and hasn't been employed by an NFL team since 1988

I think we have had options over the past several years and either the coaches don't give them a real chance (except in preseason where they do well, so what's the point). or Rodgers is too picky and his mind is already made up about players and routes before the ball is hiked or the coaches have their special guys and others are left out.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Packers have lacked talent at pass catcher over the past few years. Rodgers not trusting the receivers that have been around wasn't one of the reasons for the unit struggling.

I think I understand what our FO was doing. They had a QB that was going to hold his own even with a slightly below league average expenditure on Offensive resources. That way they could build up a prolific Defense.

Unfortunately the Packers front office failed miserably building that defense though.

 

[Magooch]

Nobody is suggesting Rodgers showing up for OTAs would have been a bad thing. I actually mentioned repeatedly that I would have preferred him to be there. But, I don't believe it's a big deal either and had close to no effect on the team's success over the past two years.

Pretty much this in a nutshell.

I haven't seen anyone claim anything close to saying it would be bad or wrong for Rodgers to attend OTAs.

And for that measure I haven't seen anyone saying it would not have any impact on the team whatsoever.

The difference of opinion seems to lie in just how much impact it would have had.

Personally when I look at the way the 2022 season played out I am 100% sure that Rodgers attending OTAs does not turn this team into a Super Bowl contender or get us much closer in any meaningful way. Rodgers attending OTAs does not make up for having one of the weakest WR rooms in the league and it doesn't do anything about Watson or Doubs' injuries or Bakh's slow recovery or any of that. All of which I'm sure were much, much bigger factors in how our 2022 season went.

So as before I don't think it would be a bad thing, and I don't think there's zero benefit whatsoever, but I'd also be surprised if we added a single win to our total in 2022 had Rodgers attended OTAs and even if we had it's probably the difference between a fringe team that misses the playoffs and one that makes the playoffs and is promptly eliminated. I don't think any amount of OTAs or offseason workouts would have ultimately changed the fact that this team just wasn't that great and wasn't going to seriously threaten anyone to take home the Lombardi.

(And to play devil's advocate, I've seen many suggesting we should've shut Rodgers down and/or that the small win-streak actually hurt us as it worsened our draft position. Well, if that's the case, and if Rodgers missing OTAs also hurt our team's winning prospects, then perhaps we should be thanking him as if he'd attended we'd apparently have worse draft position further still and be even worse off right now. )

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No real surprise here......you know, if there is any truth to this writers opinion.

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[Pugger]

Interesting to listen to Hall of Famer Joe Klecko talk about how Rodgers would fit or may I say "wouldn't fit" with the Jets:

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Does Klecko know Rodgers? Except for a couple of former teammates I have never heard a negative thing about Rodgers by his peers.

 

[Pugger]

Yeah. #12 actually performed admirable when we factor applied resources at TE or WR. One of the higher selections on Offense was AJ Dillon. Obviously #17 was a 2nd Rounder, but that was 9 drafts ago, which is an eternity.

I think I understand what our FO was doing. They had a QB that was going to hold his own even with a slightly below league average expenditure on Offensive resources. That way they could build up a prolific Defense. One problem was we couldn’t get out of our own way, we’d finish just shy of a SB in multiple seasons and it left us selecting leftovers in consecutive drafts. Then we did an adequate to below average job selecting, developing and properly utilizing our draft picks.


We brought in Davante Adams and Elgton Jenkins and AJ Dillon, but aside from that was some just plain misses (Spriggs) in Day 2. Across how many drafts did we consistently try to use late 4th-7th Rounders to supply our Offense?

That would’ve been ok had we struck Gold in the draft or if we had a Defensive scheme that had stability and adaptability to the times. We really didn’t do well at either. Haha Dix? Datone Jones, Darnell a savage? Then ran 6-7 man boxes and played not to lose. Also, We missed as much or more than we hit on more recent guys like Clark, J’aire or Gary.

Yes, it seems like management spent more draft capital on defense than offense in the past few seasons.

 

[OldSchool101]

The 2021 MVP spent all offseason away from the team and yet was able to make it work. I truly believe a lot of you put way too much stock into those offseason practices.

I might agree more in certain seasons. However 2021 was not the same as 2022 for the Green Bay Offense. We just lost arguably the best WR to QB duo in the NFL. We can’t just plug in a new WR and expect to garner another MVP performance. It takes a bit of luck and a whole lot of commitment to getting the remaining options to speed. Especially after drafting 3 new WR’s (2 of which would have to start) and only having really 2 bonafide, in system WR’s left in Cobb and Lazard. I think the bulk of members in here would agree that relying on a Rookie WR to assume the role of WR1 or even WR2 is just too optimistic. So why act like we won’t miss a beat? Lazard is not 1400 yard guy and never will be.

That’s an offseason that I disagree with operating “business as usual”. It’s just not a usual offseason imo. In particular here because the Packers also displayed their commitment through a record breaking contract and #12 should’ve reciprocated.
Is it absolutely mandatory? No. However not everything in life that is allowable is beneficial or edifying for all those involved.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Does Klecko know Rodgers? Except for a couple of former teammates I have never heard a negative thing about Rodgers by his peers.

By "Peers", do you mean only those super close to Rodgers? I have no idea who Rodgers knows and how well he knows them, same with Klecko. I assume Rodgers family knows him well enough, to say some of the things that they have said about him. I assume that teammates and active players might speak the truth or be very careful with saying anything negative about another active player in the NFL. Typically, we hear most of the negatives after the smoke has cleared, more is known and players are no longer linked by the same employer, The NFL.

If you or anyone reacts to an article like the Klecko one with a "oh hell, just another person shooting their mouths over things they don't know anything about", I understand that, but how do you or I know that they don't know what they are talking about? I also acknowledge that most of what we talk about and hear, when it comes to Rodgers is speculative. However, if those conversations upset people, I find it funny that they jump in and feel like they need to defend his character with the same argument(s), when it comes to others opinions. Defending a guy that they know very little about, except for things that they have decided are acceptable as information.

 

[Pkrjones]

Does Klecko know Rodgers? Except for a couple of former teammates I have never heard a negative thing about Rodgers by his peers.

There's not one player currently on the Jets team that was even born when Klecko last played. He's allowed his opinion as a Jets HOF'er, but doubt he has any "inside information" on the Jets current roster, coaching or GM mindset. Pretty sure he isn't part of AR's weekend hang-out group (of Bakhtiari, Cobb, Klecko?? ) so don't think he's privvy to AR's mind-set. Hopefully AR decides soon so that Gute (& we) know how GB will proceed into the '23 season.

*** EDIT -Correction ***
Flacco was 3 yrs old, & Zuerlein was just over 1 yr old when Klecko retired.

 

[Magooch]

By "Peers", do you mean only those super close to Rodgers? I have no idea who Rodgers knows and how well he knows them, same with Klecko. I assume Rodgers family knows him well enough, to say some of the things that they have said about him. I assume that teammates and active players might speak the truth or be very careful with saying anything negative about another active player in the NFL. Typically, we hear most of the negatives after the smoke has cleared, more is known and players are no longer linked by the same employer, The NFL.

If you or anyone reacts to an article like the Klecko one with a "oh hell, just another person shooting their mouths over things they don't know anything about", I understand that, but how do you or I know that they don't know what they are talking about? I also acknowledge that most of what we talk about and hear, when it comes to Rodgers is speculative. However, if those conversations upset people, I find it funny that they jump in and feel like they need to defend his character with the same argument(s), when it comes to others opinions. Defending a guy that they know very little about, except for things that they have decided are acceptable as information.

When in doubt I would think it more prudent to err on the side of assuming an outside source *does not* know what they are talking about, until proven otherwise - rather than the opposite.

 

[Mondio]

Nobody is upset about this, why do you keep saying that? a couple asked pretty legitimate questions about the "source". That's it. For someone who is always about debate one shouldn't get so upset by others questioning something.

I think it would be something everyone would or should ask when presented with something. Why or how might this be important. So we have a guy that last played in the league quite a while ago who has an opinion. Cool. I'm sure he was a great football player, though Mark Gastineau is firmly locked in my memory, Klecko was not however.

Regardless, unless someone can point me to how he's connected to the Jets other than he played for them a long time ago it's just another opinion I don't put any weight on. Instead of getting upset with those of us who don't just read every opinion and go "oh yeah, Rodgers bad", maybe tell us why his opinion should carry so much weight?

Is he in that locker room regularly? is he consultant? does he train some of the current players? does he run some pro camps? is he in the media for them and has regular contact with current players? anything? Or just he played 30+ years ago?

 

[longtimefan]

When in doubt I would think it more prudent to err on the side of assuming an outside source *does not* know what they are talking about, until proven otherwise - rather than the opposite.

Aren't we all out side sources?

So why would our opinion be any different?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

When in doubt I would think it more prudent to err on the side of assuming an outside source *does not* know what they are talking about, until proven otherwise - rather than the opposite.

Are you referring to Klecko's comments on whether he thinks Rodgers would be a good fit for the Jets or not? He is merely giving his opinion on how he thinks Rodgers would fit in, on a team that he used to play for and I assume he is still connected to. Explain to me why his opinion should be viewed as someone who doesn't know what he is talking about? This isn't a trial. I am not using his "testimony" to come to a verdict.

 

[Heyjoe4]

No real surprise here......you know, if there is any truth to this writers opinion.

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Who knows? I have a hunch everything (whatever that is) has been worked out already. I'm pretty sure he's not retiring, meaning he comes back to GB or he's off to NYC. I can't see him wanting to go to the Colts, R8DRS, and other teams that have been mentioned. The Jets do seem to be a QB shy from a legit SB contender, and that's rare.

So, if he was going back to GB, I think we'd know by now. So, FWIW, I think he's off to the Jets. Funny thing is, I don't feel very strong about any of the options, including the off chance he retires. The window for winning a second SB in GB with Rodgers passed by, four times, five if you count the divisional loss to the Niners. I'm more anxious to see what comes next for the Packers, post Rodgers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Aren't we all out side sources?

So why would our opinion be any different?

Exactly. I think for some, if your opinion doesn't mesh with theirs, you have no right to that opinion, because you are basing your opinion on others opinion, that they also don't agree with.

Side note, sometimes I and others write "IMO" (In My Opinion). Seems like when you forget to add that, certain people want to assume you are trying to be 100% factual. Would be a pretty boring forum and life for that matter, if all we discussed were 100% proven facts.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Who knows? I have a hunch everything (whatever that is) has been worked out already.

According to Rodgers, nothing had been determined prior to his darkness retreat and it was then, that he hoped to get more clarity on his end of the decision. Now if you are implying that the Packers have been busy working with creating contingency plans for all of the scenarios that could result, after Rodgers informs them of his decision, I agree with you. They would be pretty stupid to have closed up shop and sat around waiting for Rodgers.

As I have said before, it is disappointing that the FO has to once expend so much time and resources towards all of the "what if this, this or this happens" scenarios around 1 fricking player, but when you have Rodgers at QB, seems you have to put up with that every offseason.

 

[Mondio]

They've been planning for his replacement for 3 years, and someone thinks this is all Aaron Rodgers' fault and now they have to expend extra energy. Newsflash, this is always part of the deal.

 

[OldSchool101]

By "Peers", do you mean only those super close to Rodgers? I have no idea who Rodgers knows and how well he knows them, same with Klecko. I assume Rodgers family knows him well enough, to say some of the things that they have said about him. I assume that teammates and active players might speak the truth or be very careful with saying anything negative about another active player in the NFL. Typically, we hear most of the negatives after the smoke has cleared, more is known and players are no longer linked by the same employer, The NFL.

If you or anyone reacts to an article like the Klecko one with a "oh hell, just another person shooting their mouths over things they don't know anything about", I understand that, but how do you or I know that they don't know what they are talking about? I also acknowledge that most of what we talk about and hear, when it comes to Rodgers is speculative. However, if those conversations upset people, I find it funny that they jump in and feel like they need to defend his character with the same argument(s), when it comes to others opinions. Defending a guy that they know very little about, except for things that they have decided are acceptable as information.

Yep. The other thing is why poor old Aaron getting picked on if he’s completely innocent. Is there a conspiracy against Aaron? Do the other 31 starting QB’s keep perfection with every player relationship? I doubt it.

I don’t need to condemn the guy to say that it’s no big secret that Aaron has a history of possessing an abrasive personality. It’s happened with his family and it’s been verified by those family members. That’s relatively rare in itself imo. Most players love their parents and siblings and they are often even very visually supportive at games. See Brett Favre, Aaron Jones etc..

Btw. Have you guys ever seen his direct family supporting him at games? Mom, Dad, Brother etc?? Maybe we have, idk I’d be curious?