Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was just reading an article about Rodgers, and the comments from presumably Packer fans were pretty brutal. Basically blaming Rodgers for being such a diva, holding the team hostage, etc. Sorry, but that's nonsense. All Rodgers has to do is decide to retire or not, and as long as he does that by draft day, it's fine. The team is the one that has to make the decision, whether to ride it out with Rodgers, or go with love.

Keep in mind that there is a ton of work, as well as decisions that happen between the end of the season and the draft. You also left out the possibility of Rodgers saying that he wants to be traded. Now if this was Aaron Jones, spinning his wheels on retiring, playing in Green Bay or demanding a trade, I would agree with you. Or if the Packers have already decided that they are going with Love and Rodgers will be traded, if he isnt retiring. However, it is not. It is Aaron Rodgers, by far the most important player on the team and his decision, as well as the Packers, will have a major impact on which direction this team heads. So now we are talking about possibly 3 outcomes; stay, retire, trade that the Packers are facing with Rodgers. What gets implemented in regards to each outcome, I believe will be different. 2 and 3 are similar, except if he is going to be traded, that deal has to be worked out, as well as potentially changing their draft strategy with newly acquired picks.

Imagine going through Free Agency, as well as keeping yourself cap solvent, while not knowing what Rodgers decision is until the draft. Scouting for the draft without this knowledge? IMO, the sooner they get this behind them, the better the team can plan and move forward, know who they have at QB.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I was just reading an article about Rodgers, and the comments from presumably Packer fans were pretty brutal. Basically blaming Rodgers for being such a diva, holding the team hostage, etc. Sorry, but that's nonsense. All Rodgers has to do is decide to retire or not, and as long as he does that by draft day, it's fine. The team is the one that has to make the decision, whether to ride it out with Rodgers, or go with love.

I definitely agree that there are a lot of Packers fans who are extremely spoiled by the team having had HOF quarterback play for 30 years that they don't show enough respect for Rodgers. With that being said the team needs to know about his plans before the start of the new league year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I was just reading an article about Rodgers, and the comments from presumably Packer fans were pretty brutal. Basically blaming Rodgers for being such a diva, holding the team hostage, etc. Sorry, but that's nonsense. All Rodgers has to do is decide to retire or not, and as long as he does that by draft day, it's fine. The team is the one that has to make the decision, whether to ride it out with Rodgers, or go with love.

That's certainly a better way to look at the situation. I'll include myself as someone who has over-reacted to Rodgers. It's just as easy to tune this out and wait a relatively short two weeks, at most, before we all know what's gonna happen. We all (hopefully) have other things to do with our time.

With other people who I find irritating, I simply tune them out. No reason for this to be any different. Anyway, thanks for the perspective.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Keep in mind that there is a ton of work, as well as decisions that happen between the end of the season and the draft. You also left out the possibility of Rodgers saying that he wants to be traded. Now if this was Aaron Jones, spinning his wheels on retiring, playing in Green Bay or demanding a trade, I would agree with you. Or if the Packers have already decided that they are going with Love and Rodgers will be traded, if he isnt retiring. However, it is not. It is Aaron Rodgers, by far the most important player on the team and his decision, as well as the Packers, will have a major impact on which direction this team heads. So now we are talking about possibly 3 outcomes; stay, retire, trade that the Packers are facing with Rodgers. What gets implemented in regards to each outcome, I believe will be different. 2 and 3 are similar, except if he is going to be traded, that deal has to be worked out, as well as potentially changing their draft strategy with newly acquired picks.

Imagine going through Free Agency, as well as keeping yourself cap solvent, while not knowing what Rodgers decision is until the draft. Scouting for the draft without this knowledge? IMO, the sooner they get this behind them, the better the team can plan and move forward, know who they have at QB.

I do agree Poker that the sooner this is resolved, the better. We all probably remember when Favre un-retired AFTER the draft and as the Packers were planning for a new QB - Rodgers. I'm sure Gluten and Co. would like to know where they'll need to focus their pre-draft time this yar. The sooner Rodgers tells them what he says he already knows, the better.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's certainly a better way to look at the situation. I'll include myself as someone who has over-reacted to Rodgers. It's just as easy to tune this out and wait a relatively short two weeks, at most, before we all know what's gonna happen. We all (hopefully) have other things to do with our time.

I get that and can understand how some fans feel that way, but are you then saying that all you care about is what Rodgers does on the field? Normally, I could care less what a player does off the field, as long as it doesn't distract from or interfere with the teams goals, reputation and serves as a good role model for young fans. The Packer Fans that think that 3 straight years of him waffling over his own future, with the organization that he has made a kings ransom playing for, isn't distracting or interfering with with what the team is doing, are either blind or have convinced themselves that his talent outweighs the headaches. Obviously, the Packer FO put up with it the last 2 years, but that is by no means an indication that Rodgers behavior is ok with them. Rather, it is more of an indication of just how much power and leverage that Rodgers has over the franchise and some of its fans.

I find something very telling about certain Packer fans. Those who defended Rodgers for not showing up for OTA's original stance was "he's a veteran, he doesn't need that crap, he can go play at a high level with minimal practice." They are right, HE can, but sadly, just like Rodgers, all they are thinking about is Aaron Rodgers and what is important to and for him.

 

[Mondio]

Except I'm not thinking about only Aaron Rodgers. I don't care all that much about Aaron Rodgers really. I care if he can play QB or not and the rest of the team. This is part of the reason why I guess I get the reputation that I "always have to be right". I guess it's a character flaw, but generally what people perceive as me trying to be "right" is usually time spent trying to correct how someone is either misconstruing what I said, ignoring what was said, or misunderstanding what was said.

The players name could be Mercedes Lewis, Cobb, A.Jones, Preston Smith, Kenny Clark etc and I wouldn't care if they were there or not either. Sure they can go, or they can skip it. I think the impact is the same for the team.

what you see as this undying love for Aaron Rodgers and a sad control he has over some of our lives as fans is really nothing more than saying, I think some people make way too big of deal over OTA's, it just happens to be Aaron Rodgers that drives much of the conversation, and much of it comes from people claiming to be sick of him. Ironic, I know.

You could change the topic to the impact Aaron Jones has on the team by showing up to OTA's. Other than he did it, I'd still say it was pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't have to be about Rodgers, but people keep making everything about Rodgers.

I think OTA's are of minimal importance for much of the team. I think it's important for coaches to run thru some concepts together, I think it's important for guys with injuries to be checked on and run thru some light stuff, and It hink it's important for new guys to a team and rookies to get a feel for the flow.

Beyond that I don't think it's of importance to the team at all in this day and age when guys are working out, in shape and training pretty hard all offseason.

I've seen the intensity of those practices. New guys/rookies have a lot of catching up to do.

Sure a 5th grader could benefit on occasion from sitting in on a CHM 441 class, but most times that should wait until they're a Junior in college or so because then they'll have the background and the base to make it a worthwhile experience. It's usually just a waste of time to do it backwards.

Doesn't mean it always is, it's just the likelihood of it having an impact of any sort is minimal. Especially something so low intensity 4-6 months before any meaningful football is going to happen.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I get that and can understand how some fans feel that way, but are you then saying that all you care about is what Rodgers does on the field? Normally, I could care less what a player does off the field, as long as it doesn't distract from or interfere with the teams goals, reputation and serves as a good role model for young fans. The Packer Fans that think that 3 straight years of him waffling over his own future, with the organization that he has made a kings ransom playing for, isn't distracting or interfering with with what the team is doing, are either blind or have convinced themselves that his talent outweighs the headaches. Obviously, the Packer FO put up with it the last 2 years, but that is by no means an indication that Rodgers behavior is ok with them. Rather, it is more of an indication of just how much power and leverage that Rodgers has over the franchise and some of its fans.

I find something very telling about certain Packer fans. Those who defended Rodgers for not showing up for OTA's original stance was "he's a veteran, he doesn't need that crap, he can go play at a high level with minimal practice." They are right, HE can, but sadly, just like Rodgers, all they are thinking about is Aaron Rodgers and what is important to and for him.

I agree with you. What any player does off the field is important too, and especially someone who attracts the attention of a franchise QB. Rodgers has been a HUGE pain in the *** for the FO, the fans, and his teammates for far too long. I would love it if he would become some other team's problem, probably the Jets.

But yeah, I'm so done with this guy and his selfish, self-centered attitude. He is certainly a narcissist, and borders on being a sociopath, caring nothing for others and everything for himself.

And yeah, saying I won't think about it and actually doing it are two different things. But I try........ Please Rodgers, just go away.

 

[OldSchool101]

In case you want to get an idea of what his darkness retreat looked like:

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I heard In that dark he got upfront and personal with himself. Then he reportedly said to himself.
“I really like me!”
Then the puppet show ended …

I’m so sorry. I don’t know why I’m the way I am!

 

[Schultz]

Riddle me this. Why does a guy who only thinks of himself care if Bakh, Cobb, Lewis, Tonyan and Crosby are on the team?

 

[OldSchool101]

Riddle me this. Why does a guy who only thinks of himself care if Bakh, Cobb, Lewis, Tonyan and Crosby are on the team?

Maybe he’s an exclusionist?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Riddle me this. Why does a guy who only thinks of himself care if Bakh, Cobb, Lewis, Tonyan and Crosby are on the team?

They are guys that he likes and considers friends? Wanting them on the team for his own personal reasons, is exactly the definition of "thinking for oneself." This isn't a friend trying to get these guys jobs, if they want work, they will find it. If the Packers want them to work for the organization, because they benefit the organization, than they will continue to try and employ them.

Jordy Nelson was a guy in this situation. Rodgers didn't want to see him go, but the Packers didn't think he gave them what they needed anymore, except near vet minimum. Seems the Packers were right. While he had an ok year for the Raiders, it was the last he seemed to have in the tank.

 

[Schultz]

IMO your opinion is incorrect. I believe he thinks the team is better with these guys. Now you could maybe convince me that part of it is he believes he plays better with these guys. Which could fall into the only thinks of himself category, but IMO AR believes that the team is better when he plays well.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

IMO your opinion is incorrect. I believe he thinks the team is better with these guys. Now you could maybe convince me that part of it is he believes he plays better with these guys. Which could fall into the only thinks of himself category, but IMO AR believes that the team is better when he plays well.

You are correct, he might think that and in some cases the Packers might agree with him and retain 1 or more of them. However, in no way should he attach his desire to stay, with these guys being retained. If it doesn't make sense for the people making the decisions, end of conversation. IMO of course.

I don't recall exactly what Aaron said and maybe it was just him wanting to input what he thought was best for the team. I just remember that it sounded (to me) more like he didn't want those guys being replaced, something that he referred to as not wanting to be a part of a rebuild.

 

[rmontro]

You also left out the possibility of Rodgers saying that he wants to be traded.

I haven't seen any indication of Rodgers saying he wanted to be traded. He did a few years ago, because he didn't think the team was committed to him, but that was ironed out. The bigger question now is would Rodgers allow himself to be traded, or would he retire instead?

But if Rodgers came in and said he wanted to be traded, I don't see that as a problem either. If that's the case, just trade him. Saves the Packers the trouble of deciding if they want to keep him, or rebuild now. As long as Rodgers lets the team know where he stands by whatever deadline they want to go by, it should be fine. Saying he needs to tell the team now because WE want to know doesn't seem relevant to me.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Saying he needs to tell the team now because WE want to know doesn't seem relevant to me.

I have never said this, so I am not sure why you are directing it at me. What I have said, many times, is that it is a very important decision for the franchise, one that will influence quite a few things that they will be doing between now and the draft and the draft as well. I was disagreeing with your premise that it is a decision that really can wait until the day of the draft.

I was just reading an article about Rodgers, and the comments from presumably Packer fans were pretty brutal. Basically blaming Rodgers for being such a diva, holding the team hostage, etc. Sorry, but that's nonsense. All Rodgers has to do is decide to retire or not, and as long as he does that by draft day, it's fine. The team is the one that has to make the decision, whether to ride it out with Rodgers, or go with love.

 

[longtimefan]

I haven't seen any indication of Rodgers saying he wanted to be traded. He did a few years ago, because he didn't think the team was committed to him, but that was ironed out. The bigger question now is would Rodgers allow himself to be traded, or would he retire instead?

But if Rodgers came in and said he wanted to be traded, I don't see that as a problem either. If that's the case, just trade him. Saves the Packers the trouble of deciding if they want to keep him, or rebuild now. As long as Rodgers lets the team know where he stands by whatever deadline they want to go by, it should be fine. Saying he needs to tell the team now because WE want to know doesn't seem relevant to me.

Would Aaron flat out denying to be traded make it an Indication trade is open?

Maybe flat out denial is to strong?

But hasn't he said in general.

" If it's in GB or somewhere else"

Does that not indicate a trade is possible?

 

[rmontro]

I have never said this, so I am not sure why you are directing it at me. What I have said, many times, is that it is a very important decision for the franchise, one that will influence quite a few things that they will be doing between now and the draft and the draft as well. I was disagreeing with your premise that it is a decision that really can wait until the day of the draft.

it was not directed at you, just a general statement for wherever it may apply. As for draft day, maybe that is the wrong day. Pick whatever deadline you think is appropriate, as long as he makes his decision known by then it should be fine. But I don't think that time has passed yet.

Would Aaron flat out denying to be traded make it an Indication trade is open?

Rodgers doesn't really have the power to deny a trade, all he can do is retire if he doesn't like where he's going. I would suspect, however, that out of mutual respect, the two sides might be able to come to some sort of agreement where he would be sent someplace agreeable to him.

 

[longtimefan]

it was not directed at you, just a general statement for wherever it may apply. As for draft day, maybe that is the wrong day. Pick whatever deadline you think is appropriate, as long as he makes his decision known by then it should be fine. But I don't think that time has passed yet.



Rodgers doesn't really have the power to deny a trade, all he can do is retire if he doesn't like where he's going. I would suspect, however, that out of mutual respect, the two sides might be able to come to some sort of agreement where he would be sent someplace agreeable to him.

I meant if Rodgers said, there are talks of me being traded qualify as him wanting to be traded

 

[Heyjoe4]

I meant if Rodgers said, there are talks of me being traded qualify as him wanting to be traded

My guess is that Gluten has a trade partner, has now discussed it with Rodgers, and Rodgers "announcement" that he's gonna play coincides with the news of the trade. When that happens? Probably next week. Or maybe not.......

 

[longtimefan]

My guess is that Gluten has a trade partner, has now discussed it with Rodgers, and Rodgers "announcement" that he's gonna play coincides with the news of the trade. When that happens? Probably next week. Or maybe not.......

9th

 

[rmontro]

I meant if Rodgers said, there are talks of me being traded qualify as him wanting to be traded

I might see it more as him willing to be traded. I mean, maybe he does want to be traded, but I haven't seen any indication of it. Perhaps he's as frustrated as anyone with the Rodgers/Packers partnership inability to get it done on the biggest stage.

Is there any significance to the 9th, since you picked it as a potential date for an announcement?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Pick whatever deadline you think is appropriate, as long as he makes his decision known by then it should be fine. But I don't think that time has passed yet.

That would be up to the Packers FO, it doesn't effect my work or efficiency of doing that work.

Now if you were asking what I would want if I was the Packers GM? I would have wanted that decision on my desk no later than a week after the Super Bowl. Which would give me and my staff adequate time to begin planning around that important decision.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers doesn't really have the power to deny a trade, all he can do is retire if he doesn't like where he's going.

Sure he does/could have the power. If the Browns, Jets and Saints make the Packers an offer. Lets say that the Browns offer is 3 first round picks, Jets offer 1 first rounder and the Saints offer a 3rd rounder. Packers tell Rodgers he is being traded to the Browns or the Jets. Rodgers says "nah, trade me to the Saints or I retire." He's denied 2 trades and does what nets the Packers the least, a 3rd rounder or retirement. He could even say "nah, I'm under contract, I'm playing in GB this year or retiring." Then what?

Rodgers holds most of the cards and it won't surprise me one bit, if he uses every advantage he has.

 

[OldSchool101]

That would be up to the Packers FO, it doesn't effect my work or efficiency of doing that work.

Now if you were asking what I would want if I was the Packers GM? I would have wanted that decision on my desk no later than a week after the Super Bowl. Which would give me and my staff adequate time to begin planning around that important decision.

This whole thing is being dangled around like a Carrot to a Rabbit.
Now, If someone told me that it’s because Aaron has no idea if he will or if he won’t play or he’s “still deciding”?? I don’t believe that

I believe Aaron knows exactly what he wants to do and he’s known it for awhile now. Ok he might owe me nothing, but he owes the organization that respect. Just the same as they would owe him but to say “ok you want to play? We need time to think about this.. how about this.. we will let you know”. Don’t worry though, we will get back to ya!”

Imo. He’d better have a decision inside about 10-14 days tops or he’s going to alienate lots of fans. I’m talking about the ones that are still left and haven’t jumped off the CooCoo train

 

[rmontro]

Sure he does/could have the power. If the Browns, Jets and Saints make the Packers an offer. Lets say that the Browns offer is 3 first round picks, Jets offer 1 first rounder and the Saints offer a 3rd rounder. Packers tell Rodgers he is being traded to the Browns or the Jets. Rodgers says "nah, trade me to the Saints or I retire." He's denied 2 trades and does what nets the Packers the least, a 3rd rounder or retirement. He could even say "nah, I'm under contract, I'm playing in GB this year or retiring." Then what?

That's what I said, all he can do if he doesn't like a trade is to retire. Sure, that means he can help steer where he is traded to (up to a point). But as I said before, I would guess that mutual respect would lead them to trade him to a place agreeable to him. If he wants to still play in GB, that's up to the front office as to whether that's what they want or not. He has some leverage, but so what? Whether they keep him, trade him, or if he retires, I'll live with it either way.