Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Heyjoe4]

I'll wait for Medicare to pay for that.

Good idea, but make sure you get a Medicare Advantage plan to go with Medicare B. The hospital billed insurance over $150k in total. Medicare B alone pays 80%. I think I paid a few hundred bucks. It's way better than any insurance I had when I was working. But you have to get additional coverage for Part B, and it's very affordable.

 

[Voyageur]

Good idea, but make sure you get a Medicare Advantage plan to go with Medicare B. The hospital billed insurance over $150k in total. Medicare B alone pays 80%. I think I paid a few hundred bucks. It's way better than any insurance I had when I was working. But you have to get additional coverage for Part B, and it's very affordable.

That's the key. Make sure you have a good secondary policy for your Medicare. Since I'm older, and have been on it for some time, I chose a supplement policy through Blue Cross - Blue Shield, that has pretty much zero deductible. It's an "F" policy, and no longer available. I'm hanging on to it because I know the value. I had major surgery 11 years ago, and the hospital billing and doctors was over $300k. Between Medicare and my policy, I had a zero co-pay.

Since then, the policy has gotten expensive, because they'd like to have us surrender them. I pay $368 a month for my supplement, and my wife is $325. Costly, but we have never had one iota of deductible for anything.

Above all, relate to your health, and how you see it 5-10 years down the road, when choosing a policy. If you're 64, start researching thoroughly. Know that the choice reaches a balance between what you think you can afford for doctor visits and specialists, as well as all things including hospitalization for even short periods of time.

Sometimes it pays dividends to pay more monthly, than paying less, and paying a huge deductible when something happens. Go to the Federal Medicare site on the internet and research them all, if you haven't. And above all, be careful about your choices depending on your lifestyle. You don't want to be caught short on doctor choices if you decide to do any traveling. Some of their policies have such a small group of participating doctors and hospitals that you can hardly go past the county line to get varying medical help.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Personally, I think this defense would be a lot better if the offense was better. Yesterday was a good example of the failure of the offense, consistently putting the defense back on the field and pumping up the pressure on it to hold the line. Time of possession was ~ 23 minutes - 37 in favor of WTF. Number of offensive plays 47 - 72 also Commanders.

Also doesn't help when your special teams is rarely helping to flip the field either.

While I did think we would have a bit better defense, I think the offense and ST's has something to do with their failures at times.

 

[Heyjoe4]

That's the key. Make sure you have a good secondary policy for your Medicare. Since I'm older, and have been on it for some time, I chose a supplement policy through Blue Cross - Blue Shield, that has pretty much zero deductible. It's an "F" policy, and no longer available. I'm hanging on to it because I know the value. I had major surgery 11 years ago, and the hospital billing and doctors was over $300k. Between Medicare and my policy, I had a zero co-pay.

Since then, the policy has gotten expensive, because they'd like to have us surrender them. I pay $368 a month for my supplement, and my wife is $325. Costly, but we have never had one iota of deductible for anything.

Above all, relate to your health, and how you see it 5-10 years down the road, when choosing a policy. If you're 64, start researching thoroughly. Know that the choice reaches a balance between what you think you can afford for doctor visits and specialists, as well as all things including hospitalization for even short periods of time.

Sometimes it pays dividends to pay more monthly, than paying less, and paying a huge deductible when something happens. Go to the Federal Medicare site on the internet and research them all, if you haven't. And above all, be careful about your choices depending on your lifestyle. You don't want to be caught short on doctor choices if you decide to do any traveling. Some of their policies have such a small group of participating doctors and hospitals that you can hardly go past the county line to get varying medical help.

Yeah and to your last point, if you travel a lot or have a winter home, get a Medicare Supplement plan. That covers everything as V notes, and it is pricey. If you don't travel much and spend most time locally, an Advantage plan costs less. AARP UnitedHealthcare Advantage is like the gold standard of those plans.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Personally, I think this defense would be a lot better if the offense was better. Yesterday was a good example of the failure of the offense, consistently putting the defense back on the field and pumping up the pressure on it to hold the line. Time of possession was ~ 23 minutes - 37 in favor of WTF. Number of offensive plays 47 - 72 also Commanders.

Also doesn't help when your special teams is rarely helping to flip the field either.

While I did think we would have a bit better defense, I think the offense and ST's has something to do with their failures at times.

Correct. When the offense can't convert on third down, the D has barely had time to sit down. That's fixable, but not with the game plan MLF has been calling. The gameplay looks like a one-size-fits-all. Opponents don't have to do a lot of film review before they play the Packers.

 

[gopkrs]

Personally, I think this defense would be a lot better if the offense was better. Yesterday was a good example of the failure of the offense, consistently putting the defense back on the field and pumping up the pressure on it to hold the line. Time of possession was ~ 23 minutes - 37 in favor of WTF. Number of offensive plays 47 - 72 also Commanders.

Also doesn't help when your special teams is rarely helping to flip the field either.

While I did think we would have a bit better defense, I think the offense and ST's has something to do with their failures at times.

Yes. I agree. But I do think it's about time to say that almost everyone has over-rated how good Stokes was gonna be. Somebody has to take him aside and show him how to use his speed and not his hands. He gets beat quite a lot.

 

[longtimefan]

Personally, I think this defense would be a lot better if the offense was better. Yesterday was a good example of the failure of the offense, consistently putting the defense back on the field and pumping up the pressure on it to hold the line. Time of possession was ~ 23 minutes - 37 in favor of WTF. Number of offensive plays 47 - 72 also Commanders.

Also doesn't help when your special teams is rarely helping to flip the field either.

While I did think we would have a bit better defense, I think the offense and ST's has something to do with their failures at times.

Ive said this

 

[longtimefan]

The gameplay looks like a one-size-fits-all. Opponents don't have to do a lot of film review before they play the Packers.

So if you see it.. Surely the packers do.

So why not fix it??

Maybe they cant with personle they have Or. the coaches are the dumbest around.

Dont forget they never lost more than 3 in a row

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I alone cannot stop creating revenue for the league, but I can still talk about how that revenue stream is way too large.

Of course you can talk about the revenue being too much but you need to be aware that you're one of those fans responsible for it being that high.

 

[Krabs]

I would love to see the NFL do what boxing did and go on a pay per view basis. If they did, I would predict that their revenue stream would be hit in a dramatic fashion.

I actually think this is going to happen. It is going to go the way of the Sunday Ticket for all games. I also think you're wrong that it will be hit in dramatic fashion. The reason the TV contracts are so high is because there is so much money in it. Didn't Amazon just pay one billion dollars for Thursday Night Football? That's why they haven't gone to pay per view. If those TV contracts dry up and they go pay per view people are going to pay for it. Why do you think Sunday Ticket makes the money it does and there are bidding wars over the rights to it?

 

[Half Empty]

Yes. I agree. But I do think it's about time to say that almost everyone has over-rated how good Stokes was gonna be. Somebody has to take him aside and show him how to use his speed and not his hands. He gets beat quite a lot.

From what I've read, Alexander was lousy, too. That's one of the things that really bugs me about this year's performances - the guys that really seemed to step up or come out of nowhere last year (and fix a major problem) have regressed.

 

[gopkrs]

Me playing Monday morning QB. There is no doubt in my mind but that we should have traded Rodgers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Me playing Monday morning QB. There is no doubt in my mind but that we should have traded Rodgers.

I was of the same mindset, get what you can, while he is a hot commodity, but more importantly, while he seemed to want out of GB. Given his talent, I wasn't all that upset when they worked things out with him, but if he decides to retire after this season or continues to regress, him not being traded will be talked about a lot.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes. I agree. But I do think it's about time to say that almost everyone has over-rated how good Stokes was gonna be. Somebody has to take him aside and show him how to use his speed and not his hands. He gets beat quite a lot.

Agreed. Stokes has been very underwhelming this season. I'm not sure if some of the success of his rookie year went to his head, but he definitely has plenty of areas which need improvement.

 

[Magooch]

Me playing Monday morning QB. There is no doubt in my mind but that we should have traded Rodgers.

Of course hindsight is 20-20 but that option does look a bit more appealing now...

But a top-tier QB is the single-most valuable commodity in the game today. Most would probably go so far as to say that if you have an elite QB you've always got a chance at winning. And that's generally true but I guess it does require a certain level of talent around that QB, too.

In whatever case it feels like we've been stuck in no-man's land for a bit now...Trying to have our cake and eat it too. Not willing to go all-in on a win-now window with Rodgers, but also not willing to rip off the bandaid and suffer through a couple of lean post-Rodgers years but coming out the other side well-positioned for the future. Obviously it'd be nice to put together a team that's able to win the Super Bowl right now while also positioning yourself to remain "in the mix" in the years to follow once Rodgers is gone but now it's seeming like one of those situations where in trying to succeed in two things at once we ended up failing at both. We don't look like anything close to a serious contender right now and it doesn't look like we're in a particularly good situation for the post-Rodgers era, either.

 

[Pkrjones]

Agreed. Stokes has been very underwhelming this season. I'm not sure if some of the success of his rookie year went to his head, but he definitely has plenty of areas which need improvement.

Not defending him one bit, but last year was a historically low # of Illegal Contact penalties by DB's in 2021. The officials are making a concerted effort to call Illegal Contact this year so players (e.g. Stokes) who had gotten used to bodying & manhandling receivers at their break 10+ yards downfield can no longer do that. IF the DB isn't using his feet to move with the receiver they're either getting called OR burned. Our DB's need to get back to the fundamentals of moving their feet better & NOT relying on contact or grabbing to stay with receivers.

 

[Voyageur]

Our defense is stuck in zone. Our CBs are more fitted to man coverage. If you look at the biggest problem, it's the time they need to cover, since our pass rush isn't strong enough.

 

[Pkrjones]

Our defense is stuck in zone. Our CBs are more fitted to man coverage. If you look at the biggest problem, it's the time they need to cover, since our pass rush isn't strong enough.

How isn't our pass rush strong enough? Gary is #7 win rate from the outside, Clark is #3 from the inside. I would hope 2 top-7 rushers would qualify as "strong enough"... the DB's need to be in better position to stop the wide-open crossers & flats.

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[OldSchool101]

Personally, I think this defense would be a lot better if the offense was better. Yesterday was a good example of the failure of the offense, consistently putting the defense back on the field and pumping up the pressure on it to hold the line. Time of possession was ~ 23 minutes - 37 in favor of WTF. Number of offensive plays 47 - 72 also Commanders.

Also doesn't help when your special teams is rarely helping to flip the field either.

While I did think we would have a bit better defense, I think the offense and ST's has something to do with their failures at times.

Exactly what I was saying recently.

Im 100% convinced that our Defense would be rated top 8 (maybe better) if our Offense put up around 26-28 points per contest.
I took out the TD our D scored and we’re averaging 17.3 points per game. Is that just crazy?
I bet David Whitehurst Co LLC would best this Offense. Matter of fact I looked through 7 contests in 1977, he scored 172 points. In 2022 We’ve scored 121!

The only teams that have scored less are Colts, Steelers, Texans, Rams and Broncos.
But we’d better fix this Defense

 

[Heyjoe4]

How isn't our pass rush strong enough? Gary is #7 win rate from the outside, Clark is #3 from the inside. I would hope 2 top-7 rushers would qualify as "strong enough"... the DB's need to be in better position to stop the wide-open crossers & flats.

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Correct. And the last thing you mentioned, receivers getting wide open on crossing routes could be stopped if Barry played more man. Opposing QBs are just waiting for the receiver to get to that sweet spot between two zones, where there is no coverage, and completing passes. Over and over and over again.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Exactly what I was saying recently.

Im 100% convinced that our Defense would be rated top 8 (maybe better) if our Offense put up around 26-28 points per contest.
I took out the TD our D scored and we’re averaging 17.3 points per game. Is that just crazy?
I bet David Whitehurst Co LLC would best this Offense. Matter of fact I looked through 7 contests in 1977, he scored 172 points. In 2022 We’ve scored 121!

The only teams that have scored less are Colts, Steelers, Texans, Rams and Broncos.
But we’d better fix this Defense

I'm only surprised by the Rams. In their case though, it may be the lack of a solid running game that allows the D to drop 7. Cause if you can't get a pass to Cooper Krupp, there's a problem.

OldSchool, do you think Gluten trades for a real WR this week? Would it matter? We've been talking about Chase Claypool.

 

[Voyageur]

How isn't our pass rush strong enough? Gary is #7 win rate from the outside, Clark is #3 from the inside. I would hope 2 top-7 rushers would qualify as "strong enough"... the DB's need to be in better position to stop the wide-open crossers & flats.

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You totally missed it. No matter how good the pass rush is, if you stay in zone, and expose the middle of the field, other teams will execute in short passes and crossing patterns. They'll pick you apart. The reason our CBs look bad is because they're not playing their game.

There are points where statistics don't really tell the story.

 

[Heyjoe4]

You totally missed it. No matter how good the pass rush is, if you stay in zone, and expose the middle of the field, other teams will execute in short passes and crossing patterns. They'll pick you apart. The reason our CBs look bad is because they're not playing their game.

There are points where statistics don't really tell the story.

Correct. Opposing QBs and receivers are using the gap between zones to hit wide open players. With athletic corners, it's better to play man. Barry won't for some reason, or not consistently. That's probably why Alexander had such a lousy game against Washington. Barry can't keep jerking these guys around between zone and man. Miscommunication will happen, and that turns a 15 yard gain into a TD.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Me playing Monday morning QB. There is no doubt in my mind but that we should have traded Rodgers.

I was of the same mindset, get what you can, while he is a hot commodity, but more importantly, while he seemed to want out of GB. Given his talent, I wasn't all that upset when they worked things out with him, but if he decides to retire after this season or continues to regress, him not being traded will be talked about a lot.

In my opinion the Packers should have gone all-in as long as Rodgers is around but they haven't done that either. Now they're stuck with an elite quarterback on a huge contract but not surrounded by enough talent to be a contender.

It all started with selecting Love in 2020 and hasn't changed a whole lot over the past 2+ years.

Exactly what I was saying recently.

Im 100% convinced that our Defense would be rated top 8 (maybe better) if our Offense put up around 26-28 points per contest.

Why would the defense play any better if the offense scored more points? That definitely didn't work when the Packers had an elite offense.

The only teams that have scored less are Colts, Steelers, Texans, Rams and Broncos.
But we’d better fix this Defense

As well as the Bears, Commanders, Bucs and Panthers.

The reason most fans are criticizing the defense as well is the fact that they seem to have the talent to be an elite unit. They haven't been able to perform up to expectations though.

That's probably why Alexander had such a lousy game against Washington.

Alexander is the only one to blame for his terrible game against the Commanders. He was asking to cover opposing #1 receivers, got his wish but wasn't able to contain McLaurin.

 

[rodell330]

Take a pay cut and stop complaining. Before I was all for Rodgers getting paid because he’s carried this franchise for years. But it’s time for him to stop *****ing or give up some money. Plain and simple. We all l know the Packer front office leaves little to be desired.