Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[gopkrs]

I don't feel like a hypocrite even though I continue to watch the game that I have enjoyed throughout my life and at the same agree that cutting up the revenues should include provisions for the players not making enough to pay for their future needs and for retired players. I think the owners would stand united against all changes though. Because it affects how much money they can make. It is too bad it is so expensive that a lot of blue collar workers can't really afford to go to games and there will come a time that revenue seekers will ask for too much. But not yet obviously.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't feel like a hypocrite even though I continue to watch the game that I have enjoyed throughout my life and at the same agree that cutting up the revenues should include provisions for the players not making enough to pay for their future needs and for retired players. I think the owners would stand united against all changes though. Because it affects how much money they can make. It is too bad it is so expensive that a lot of blue collar workers can't really afford to go to games and there will come a time that revenue seekers will ask for too much. But not yet obviously.

Yeah it's just a reflection on big business in general. It would require an owner group with a collective big heart to help these guys. Not very likely to happen. I'm not opposed to the NFL making money. There just seems to be enough to help players in need later in life. And is Roger Godless really worth $120 mil/year?

As for being able to afford a football game, or baseball game, well that's about as costly as a one week vacation to someplace warm. I'll take the vacation!

 

[Voyageur]

Yeah it's just a reflection on big business in general. It would require an owner group with a collective big heart to help these guys. Not very likely to happen. I'm not opposed to the NFL making money. There just seems to be enough to help players in need later in life. And is Roger Godless really worth $120 mil/year?

As for being able to afford a football game, or baseball game, well that's about as costly as a one week vacation to someplace warm. I'll take the vacation!

Since I live in that "some place warm," I can smile, and think about attending a game. But, the same thing applies, in reverse. When you live in South Texas, the idea of getting up to Wisconsin for at least a couple weeks, preferably a month or two, makes a person smile.

Escape the heat, and catch and eat as many bluegills you can, in the time you're there. It don't get better than that, during the summer.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I understand peoples sentiment about "the players who don't make enough to support their families when they are done in the NFL", but guess what, there are a lot of other jobs out there that they can do to pay the bills. Why it looks so "sad" to many fans, is the fact that the top players are making $1-55 million per year. Sorry, I just can't get into feeling sorry for a 7th round rookie that gets a few hundred thousand and then has to find other employment. Injury fund, sure. Millions to a guy that tore his ACL and no longer can play in the NFL? No thanks. Support of players that are permanently unemployable due to an injury sustained while being employed in the NFL, you bet, I'm all for it!

The pie has gotten too big and I have no problem with the way the owners and players split it up, I would just be a lot happier if either the pie was a lot smaller or bigger slices of that pie went to helping others that are outside the sport. Yeah, yeah, I know....teams, owners, players all give time and money to charities, but when you make $50M a year, you need tax shelters and goodwill.

Why is the pie so F-ing big? Simple economics, the NFL has a product that people are willing to pour a ton of money into.

 

[Voyageur]

I understand peoples sentiment about "the players who don't make enough to support their families when they are done in the NFL", but guess what, there are a lot of other jobs out there that they can do to pay the bills. Why it looks so "sad" to many fans, is the fact that the top players are making $1-55 million per year. Sorry, I just can't get into feeling sorry for a 7th round rookie that gets a few hundred thousand and then has to find other employment. Injury fund, sure. Millions to a guy that tore his ACL and no longer can play in the NFL? No thanks. Support of players that are permanently unemployable due to an injury sustained while being employed in the NFL, you bet, I'm all for it!

The pie has gotten too big and I have no problem with the way the owners and players split it up, I would just be a lot happier if either the pie was a lot smaller or bigger slices of that pie went to helping others that are outside the sport. Yeah, yeah, I know....teams, owners, players all give time and money to charities, but when you make $50M a year, you need tax shelters and goodwill.

Why is the pie so F-ing big? Simple economics, the NFL has a product that people are willing to pour a ton of money into.

I think you pointed out the disparaging difference between a guy making NFL minimum and one making 20% or more of his team's entire salary cap. We tend to see the super stars as the face of the game, and forget about guys who labor on the practice squad for $11,500, or a little more, based on how much a team values them. It may sound like a lot of money, but they don't call where they're playing home, and pretty much live out of a suitcase, because they pretty well understand they're going to be gone.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I understand peoples sentiment about "the players who don't make enough to support their families when they are done in the NFL", but guess what, there are a lot of other jobs out there that they can do to pay the bills. Why it looks so "sad" to many fans, is the fact that the top players are making $1-55 million per year. Sorry, I just can't get into feeling sorry for a 7th round rookie that gets a few hundred thousand and then has to find other employment. Injury fund, sure. Millions to a guy that tore his ACL and no longer can play in the NFL? No thanks. Support of players that are permanently unemployable due to an injury sustained while being employed in the NFL, you bet, I'm all for it!

The pie has gotten too big and I have no problem with the way the owners and players split it up, I would just be a lot happier if either the pie was a lot smaller or bigger slices of that pie went to helping others that are outside the sport. Yeah, yeah, I know....teams, owners, players all give time and money to charities, but when you make $50M a year, you need tax shelters and goodwill.

Why is the pie so F-ing big? Simple economics, the NFL has a product that people are willing to pour a ton of money into.

Good summary. And these guys come out of college as adults, hopefully with a good college degree but that's a minority of players. They've made a decision to play a dangerous sport. And to your point, these guys can be very young when they "retire". So get a job like the rest of us did to pay the bills. Or go back and finish your degree. They have options.

And yes indeed, the NFL has a product that people want and are willing to pay for, directly or indirectly. That's capitalism.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't expect you to remember, but I have stated many times here and with others outside the forum, that this is a hypocritical dilemma for me. While I never buy tickets, I go with a buddy when his wife doesn't go, the ticket is free for me. While I never buy new jerseys, I have a dozen from second hand thrift stores. I try to avoid commercials and buying products which sponsor the NFL. But yes, I am fully aware of my "addiction" to watching Packers games and how doing so doesn't jive with my feelings about the economic side of the NFL.

I remember your point of view on the topic but I never quite understood it. There's no way to have it both ways. As long as you attend games and watch them on TV you're part of the reason thr NFL is the league generating the most revenue worldwide.

In my opinion it's dishonest to complain about it while being part of the "problem".

And is Roger Godless really worth $120 mil/year?

Goodell made close to $64 million per year over the past two seasons.

There's no doubt in my mind that is still significantly too much money for the commissioner of a league, just wanted to set the record straight.

As for being able to afford a football game, or baseball game, well that's about as costly as a one week vacation to someplace warm. I'll take the vacation!

It's far cheaper to attend a baseball than a football game.

 

[Voyageur]

I remember your point of view on the topic but I never quite understood it. There's no way to have it both ways. As long as you attend games and watch them on TV you're part of the reason thr NFL is the league generating the most revenue worldwide.

In my opinion it's dishonest to complain about it while being part of the "problem".



Goodell made close to $64 million per year over the past two seasons.

There's no doubt in my mind that is still significantly too much money for the commissioner of a league, just wanted to set the record straight.



It's far cheaper to attend a baseball than a football game.

It is cheaper to attend a baseball game than a football game. But, they have 10 times as many opportunities of relieving you of your hard earned cash.

As far as being part of the problem with football, he's right. If people rebel, and stop going to games, and buying team products, those revenue streams disappear. If you add in boycotts of products that are over priced because of the advertising costs associated with games, that money would disappear for networks, and they in turn would pay less to the NFL, to broadcast games. If people quit subscribing to additional services like NFL Network, and now Amazon Prime, not for Thursday Night Games, and Sunday Ticket, that would dry up more revenue sources.

Obviously the money given to the NFL from all these sources would dwindle, and based on salary caps being adjusted by a percentage of a majority of league wide receipts, the wages would go down, along with the profits of the NFL teams.

Will it happen? Only if there's a full blown recession that hurts, and even then it might be difficult. Back in the days of the Depression, here in the US, baseball attendance increased, even though most people couldn't really afford to spend a nickel to get into a game. It didn't hurt most NFL teams either, when it came to attendance. The reality is, people want their diversions, and sports is the favorite of most men.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

In my opinion it's dishonest to complain about it while being part of the "problem".

There's a difference between having an open discussion about it and complaining. I'm very upfront about my conundrum with the NFL, just as I am when I talk about or participate in politics. Having a negative opinion about an aspect of something you participate in, isn't being "dishonest".

 

[Heyjoe4]

There's a difference between having an open discussion about it and complaining. I'm very upfront about my conundrum with the NFL, just as I am when I talk about or participate in politics. Having a negative opinion about an aspect of something you participate in, isn't being "dishonest".

That's well said. If anything, you are one of the more "brutally honest" commenters in this forum. I recently commented on the violence of the sport, the serious, serious injuries it inflicts, and yet I watch it. I love football. I was like that with boxing although I don't follow it anymore. And when I did watch it (a long time ago, like Ali-Frazier), no one seemed concerned about stuff like CTE because know one knew the risks, even though they should have been obvious from the bloodied faces and eyes swollen shut.

Does that make ne a hypocrite. Maybe. But as I've said the guys who play the sport know the risks. It's a risk that all pro athletes take to some extent. I'd like to think I wouldn't take the risk. But if someone dangled a few million $$$ in front of me when I was 21..... well I'd probably take it.

I also think the league and players should do more to help players down the road with football-related and chronic injuries.

 

[rmontro]

Packers seemed to have caught yet another break when it comes to their opponents. Carson Wentz will be out Sunday and Taylor Heinicke will get the start.

Oh nooooooooo!!!!!!!

Looks my initial response was correct.

 

[milani]

Looks my initial response was correct.

The only difference is we get beat 42-21 instead of 23-21.

 

[Voyageur]

That's well said. If anything, you are one of the more "brutally honest" commenters in this forum. I recently commented on the violence of the sport, the serious, serious injuries it inflicts, and yet I watch it. I love football. I was like that with boxing although I don't follow it anymore. And when I did watch it (a long time ago, like Ali-Frazier), no one seemed concerned about stuff like CTE because know one knew the risks, even though they should have been obvious from the bloodied faces and eyes swollen shut.

Does that make ne a hypocrite. Maybe. But as I've said the guys who play the sport know the risks. It's a risk that all pro athletes take to some extent. I'd like to think I wouldn't take the risk. But if someone dangled a few million $$$ in front of me when I was 21..... well I'd probably take it.

I also think the league and players should do more to help players down the road with football-related and chronic injuries.

I think everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another. The reality of sports is that there are risks associated with them.

I played football, and I coached. My #2 son played all the way into college, when two knee injuries ended it. Now I have a Grandson who is in the HS class of 2027 being looked at as a college prospect, Division I, because of his size, speed, and strength. I know the risks, and wish I had discussed them with my son, before he played. We've talked about it, and like me, he said that if I gave him the choice, as a kid, knowing what he does now, he would have chosen to play.

I've been silent about my grandson's choices on sports. He can play basketball well beyond his age, and size. He's the track star in his Jr. High, and his times in the 100m and 200m are actually within a couple of tenths of a second of the kids who are setting it on fire, at a high school level, and being offered track scholarships.

I don't know. In a year, I might have a talk with him, and ask him what he's really looking for from sports. If I have my way, I'm going to suggest he work ******* track, and basketball, to see where they lead. Preferably track. It's the least debilitating of all of them.

As much as I'd love cheering him on, from the stands, and see him going beyond HS with his game, I'd much rather see him have a great life, healthy, and not looking forward to a wheel chair at a younger age. It's just not something I want for him, or anyone else.

So, as you can see, I too have mixed emotions on football. I too am a hypocrite. I still love the game. But now, I'm showing less of that feeling, so my grandson doesn't see it as something that grandpa would like to see him do.

He has a problem. A few years ago, his father was stabbed to death by an assailant in Las Vegas, who was trying to rob him. My daughter is raising him, and my #2 son and I need to be his role models. It's darned difficult.

 

[milani]

I think everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another. The reality of sports is that there are risks associated with them.

I played football, and I coached. My #2 son played all the way into college, when two knee injuries ended it. Now I have a Grandson who is in the HS class of 2027 being looked at as a college prospect, Division I, because of his size, speed, and strength. I know the risks, and wish I had discussed them with my son, before he played. We've talked about it, and like me, he said that if I gave him the choice, as a kid, knowing what he does now, he would have chosen to play.

I've been silent about my grandson's choices on sports. He can play basketball well beyond his age, and size. He's the track star in his Jr. High, and his times in the 100m and 200m are actually within a couple of tenths of a second of the kids who are setting it on fire, at a high school level, and being offered track scholarships.

I don't know. In a year, I might have a talk with him, and ask him what he's really looking for from sports. If I have my way, I'm going to suggest he work ******* track, and basketball, to see where they lead. Preferably track. It's the least debilitating of all of them.

As much as I'd love cheering him on, from the stands, and see him going beyond HS with his game, I'd much rather see him have a great life, healthy, and not looking forward to a wheel chair at a younger age. It's just not something I want for him, or anyone else.

So, as you can see, I too have mixed emotions on football. I too am a hypocrite. I still love the game. But now, I'm showing less of that feeling, so my grandson doesn't see it as something that grandpa would like to see him do.

He has a problem. A few years ago, his father was stabbed to death by an assailant in Las Vegas, who was trying to rob him. My daughter is raising him, and my #2 son and I need to be his role models. It's darned difficult.

The loss of one's son or daughter is horrific for any parent and for any reason. I wish you the best. Your courage as a parent and grandparent is a strong example to all of us. Thanks.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another. The reality of sports is that there are risks associated with them.

I played football, and I coached. My #2 son played all the way into college, when two knee injuries ended it. Now I have a Grandson who is in the HS class of 2027 being looked at as a college prospect, Division I, because of his size, speed, and strength. I know the risks, and wish I had discussed them with my son, before he played. We've talked about it, and like me, he said that if I gave him the choice, as a kid, knowing what he does now, he would have chosen to play.

I've been silent about my grandson's choices on sports. He can play basketball well beyond his age, and size. He's the track star in his Jr. High, and his times in the 100m and 200m are actually within a couple of tenths of a second of the kids who are setting it on fire, at a high school level, and being offered track scholarships.

I don't know. In a year, I might have a talk with him, and ask him what he's really looking for from sports. If I have my way, I'm going to suggest he work ******* track, and basketball, to see where they lead. Preferably track. It's the least debilitating of all of them.

As much as I'd love cheering him on, from the stands, and see him going beyond HS with his game, I'd much rather see him have a great life, healthy, and not looking forward to a wheel chair at a younger age. It's just not something I want for him, or anyone else.

So, as you can see, I too have mixed emotions on football. I too am a hypocrite. I still love the game. But now, I'm showing less of that feeling, so my grandson doesn't see it as something that grandpa would like to see him do.

He has a problem. A few years ago, his father was stabbed to death by an assailant in Las Vegas, who was trying to rob him. My daughter is raising him, and my #2 son and I need to be his role models. It's darned difficult.

Wow Voyageur, that's a lot to deal with in life. We should not live longer than our kids. I'm so sorry.

I chose marathons as my "sport" but in my 30s and 40s. I was pretty good at it and I loved it. But it was hell on my knees and they were both replaced this year. Ironically, I can do just about anything but running (no impact sports).

But that's the thing - our knees can be replaced, our brains cannot. There are no clear answers, but I'd say you are doing better than 99.99999% of the population and are a very good father and grandfather.

 

[Voyageur]

The loss of one's son or daughter is horrific for any parent and for any reason. I wish you the best. Your courage as a parent and grandparent is a strong example to all of us. Thanks.

His father was my son-in-law. But it still has a horrible effect. The son-in-law's mother and father were both dead before it happened. There wasn't anyone else in the family.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Looks my initial response was correct.

Until the Packers actually get a starting WR....a Jordan Love run team could beat them.

 

[milani]

Until the Packers actually get a starting WR....a Jordan Love run team could beat them.

It has happened 3 of the last 4 weeks.

 

[gopkrs]

I think everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another. The reality of sports is that there are risks associated with them.

I played football, and I coached. My #2 son played all the way into college, when two knee injuries ended it. Now I have a Grandson who is in the HS class of 2027 being looked at as a college prospect, Division I, because of his size, speed, and strength. I know the risks, and wish I had discussed them with my son, before he played. We've talked about it, and like me, he said that if I gave him the choice, as a kid, knowing what he does now, he would have chosen to play.

I've been silent about my grandson's choices on sports. He can play basketball well beyond his age, and size. He's the track star in his Jr. High, and his times in the 100m and 200m are actually within a couple of tenths of a second of the kids who are setting it on fire, at a high school level, and being offered track scholarships.

I don't know. In a year, I might have a talk with him, and ask him what he's really looking for from sports. If I have my way, I'm going to suggest he work ******* track, and basketball, to see where they lead. Preferably track. It's the least debilitating of all of them.

As much as I'd love cheering him on, from the stands, and see him going beyond HS with his game, I'd much rather see him have a great life, healthy, and not looking forward to a wheel chair at a younger age. It's just not something I want for him, or anyone else.

So, as you can see, I too have mixed emotions on football. I too am a hypocrite. I still love the game. But now, I'm showing less of that feeling, so my grandson doesn't see it as something that grandpa would like to see him do.

He has a problem. A few years ago, his father was stabbed to death by an assailant in Las Vegas, who was trying to rob him. My daughter is raising him, and my #2 son and I need to be his role models. It's darned difficult.

At least you are taking it very seriously and trying to do the right things. Congratulations on that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

There's a difference between having an open discussion about it and complaining. I'm very upfront about my conundrum with the NFL, just as I am when I talk about or participate in politics. Having a negative opinion about an aspect of something you participate in, isn't being "dishonest".

It might have been smarter to use a different word than dishonest. My point is that the only way to prevent players from being paid outrageous salaries is to stop creating revenue for the league. Otherwise they will continue to make as much money as they do now.

 

[weeds]

I think everyone is a hypocrite in one way or another. The reality of sports is that there are risks associated with them.

I played football, and I coached.

So, as you can see, I too have mixed emotions on football. I too am a hypocrite. I still love the game. But now, I'm showing less of that feeling, so my grandson doesn't see it as something that grandpa would like to see him do.

...and I stand beside you ... as a twin. I'm a hypocrite as well. You seem to be a helluva an old guy. You know what really grinds my beans though, as a 64 year-old busted up banker? I too played (only 1 year of D3, I was a slow, white farmboy I guess) and coached, the two things that I have to suffer are the sound effects that now accompany my trying to stand up until the knees get blood to them again ... and the friggen turf toe that has me walking at times like I have a bent wheel. Yeah, I'd do it again in a heartbeat, but did NOT encourage my son to play - and he didn't really show interest -- so, I'm happy that I didn't have to stare down what you are.

 

[Heyjoe4]

...and I stand beside you ... as a twin. I'm a hypocrite as well. You seem to be a helluva an old guy. You know what really grinds my beans though, as a 64 year-old busted up banker? I too played (only 1 year of D3, I was a slow, white farmboy I guess) and coached, the two things that I have to suffer are the sound effects that now accompany my trying to stand up until the knees get blood to them again ... and the friggen turf toe that has me walking at times like I have a bent wheel. Yeah, I'd do it again in a heartbeat, but did NOT encourage my son to play - and he didn't really show interest -- so, I'm happy that I didn't have to stare down what you are.

Weeds are you a candidate for a knee replacement? Sounds like it. I'm 68 and had both done this year. No more sound effects when I stand up!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It might have been smarter to use a different word than dishonest. My point is that the only way to prevent players from being paid outrageous salaries is to stop creating revenue for the league. Otherwise they will continue to make as much money as they do now.

I alone cannot stop creating revenue for the league, but I can still talk about how that revenue stream is way too large. While doing so, I will continue to feed it as little as possible and encourage others to do the same.

I would love to see the NFL do what boxing did and go on a pay per view basis. If they did, I would predict that their revenue stream would be hit in a dramatic fashion.

Again, I have no problem with a business and its employees making money, but when the NFL is basically a monopoly and that income stream is outrageous, I am going to notice it and say somthing.

 

[OldSchool101]

I alone cannot stop creating revenue for the league, but I can still talk about how that revenue stream is way too large. While doing so, I will continue to feed it as little as possible and encourage others to do the same.

I would love to see the NFL do what boxing did and go on a pay per view basis. If they did, I would predict that their revenue stream would be hit in a dramatic fashion.

Again, I have no problem with a business and its employees making money, but when the NFL is basically a monopoly and that income stream is outrageous, I am going to notice it and say somthing.

Oddly enough, I actually had the game blacked out but found I still enjoyed listening to Wayne and Larry
Like the old days. It was like Paul Harvey at my Grandpas back in the 1970’s!
We don’t need the NFL packages
We don’t need no stinking’ Badges!

PS. It’s less stressful this season not watching our play by play demise

 

[weeds]

Weeds are you a candidate for a knee replacement? Sounds like it. I'm 68 and had both done this year. No more sound effects when I stand up!

I'll wait for Medicare to pay for that.