Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Pokerbrat2000]

It all started with selecting Love in 2020 and hasn't changed a whole lot over the past 2+ years.

LOL....While I agree that Love was 1 of many things that the Packers did or didn't do to improve the offense, it started years before the Love pick. Davante Adams in 2014 was the last major investment that the Packers made at WR, until this past draft. Which at the time (2014) might have made sense, since they had Jordy and Cobb, both playing at a high level and let Jones go during Free Agency. After that point, as the Packers lost their starting WR's (Jordy and Cobb) to Free agency, neither TT or Gute seemed particular worried about replacing either of them with a decent FA or high draft pick. Instead, investing a ton of draft resources and money into the defense.

Same could be said about the TE position. For too many years, the Packers have been chasing their tail with trying to find a decent TE, yet not willing to give up anything but a 3rd rounder or the signing of what ended up being 2 washed up TE's.

Aaron Rodgers has been able to cover up the Packers lack of investments in receivers for so long. Anytime Rodgers didn't play, we saw just how terrible the offense was without him. Sadly, the last real receiving weapon (Davante Adams) left Green Bay and now all the Packers can do is hope that one or both of the 2 rookies can get up to speed, before Rodgers hangs it up.

 

[Voyageur]

LOL....While I agree that Love was 1 of many things that the Packers did or didn't do to improve the offense, it started years before the Love pick. Davante Adams in 2014 was the last major investment that the Packers made at WR, until this past draft. Which at the time (2014) might have made sense, since they had Jordy and Cobb, both playing at a high level and let Jones go during Free Agency. After that point, as the Packers lost their starting WR's (Jordy and Cobb) to Free agency, neither TT or Gute seemed particular worried about replacing either of them with a decent FA or high draft pick. Instead, investing a ton of draft resources and money into the defense.

Same could be said about the TE position. For too many years, the Packers have been chasing their tail with trying to find a decent TE, yet not willing to give up anything but a 3rd rounder or the signing of what ended up being 2 washed up TE's.

Aaron Rodgers has been able to cover up the Packers lack of investments in receivers for so long. Anytime Rodgers didn't play, we saw just how terrible the offense was without him. Sadly, the last real receiving weapon (Davante Adams) left Green Bay and now all the Packers can do is hope that one or both of the 2 rookies can get up to speed, before Rodgers hangs it up.

The problem is that a lot of GMs use a "draft metric," that shows them how early you should pick a player, for a position. If the metrics say a TE is in the 3rd round or later, they won't pull the trigger on getting anyone earlier, unless it's a purely obvious pick that needs to be made.

I think the Packers follow that guideline more than people would imagine. Even though we talk about "best player available," I think the metrics still creep in, and change the pick.

But, that's just my opinion. If you look at the drafts, you can kind of see that playing out quite often.

 

[Heyjoe4]

LOL....While I agree that Love was 1 of many things that the Packers did or didn't do to improve the offense, it started years before the Love pick. Davante Adams in 2014 was the last major investment that the Packers made at WR, until this past draft. Which at the time (2014) might have made sense, since they had Jordy and Cobb, both playing at a high level and let Jones go during Free Agency. After that point, as the Packers lost their starting WR's (Jordy and Cobb) to Free agency, neither TT or Gute seemed particular worried about replacing either of them with a decent FA or high draft pick. Instead, investing a ton of draft resources and money into the defense.

Same could be said about the TE position. For too many years, the Packers have been chasing their tail with trying to find a decent TE, yet not willing to give up anything but a 3rd rounder or the signing of what ended up being 2 washed up TE's.

Aaron Rodgers has been able to cover up the Packers lack of investments in receivers for so long. Anytime Rodgers didn't play, we saw just how terrible the offense was without him. Sadly, the last real receiving weapon (Davante Adams) left Green Bay and now all the Packers can do is hope that one or both of the 2 rookies can get up to speed, before Rodgers hangs it up.

That sums it up pretty well Poker. It's interesting that when they had Jordy and Cobb at or near their peaks, they still invested a 2nd round pick in Adams. Since then, I don't recall them using anything higher than a 4th or 5th round pick on WR. I might be wrong on this and I'm not counting the last draft. I guess they did take Amari Rodgers in the 3rd round. MVS played a little better than where he was drafted (5th, I think) but he wasn't a #1 or even #2 WR.

I wonder why the GMs, TT or Gluten, stopped taking WRs earlier in the draft. Things still might have been different had they drafted well for D, but they didn't. How many 1st and 2nd round picks did they spend on D? A lot and a lot of them failed. Randall, Rollins, Jones, and on and on.

So they had to keep trying at D because Rodgers would always save the O, and Adams turned out to be so good. But that's not a very good excuse for not keeping the O stocked with talent because they still had Rodgers. And yeah, TEs? They've done nothing. Failed 3rd round picks mostly.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

...and I stand beside you ... as a twin. I'm a hypocrite as well. You seem to be a helluva an old guy. You know what really grinds my beans though, as a 64 year-old busted up banker? I too played (only 1 year of D3, I was a slow, white farmboy I guess) and coached, the two things that I have to suffer are the sound effects that now accompany my trying to stand up until the knees get blood to them again ... and the friggen turf toe that has me walking at times like I have a bent wheel. Yeah, I'd do it again in a heartbeat, but did NOT encourage my son to play - and he didn't really show interest -- so, I'm happy that I didn't have to stare down what you are.

You`re only 64 ??? Jeez, you`ve had a tough life there then Pup

 

[weeds]

You`re only 64 ??? Jeez, you`ve had a tough life there then Pup

Oh yeah? Says you ... (take that you skalaweg - neener...neener).

 

[Heyjoe4]

You`re only 64 ??? Jeez, you`ve had a tough life there then Pup

I'm 68 Bill. What does that make me? A "tweener"?

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

LOL....While I agree that Love was 1 of many things that the Packers did or didn't do to improve the offense, it started years before the Love pick. Davante Adams in 2014 was the last major investment that the Packers made at WR, until this past draft. Which at the time (2014) might have made sense, since they had Jordy and Cobb, both playing at a high level and let Jones go during Free Agency. After that point, as the Packers lost their starting WR's (Jordy and Cobb) to Free agency, neither TT or Gute seemed particular worried about replacing either of them with a decent FA or high draft pick. Instead, investing a ton of draft resources and money into the defense.

Same could be said about the TE position. For too many years, the Packers have been chasing their tail with trying to find a decent TE, yet not willing to give up anything but a 3rd rounder or the signing of what ended up being 2 washed up TE's.

Aaron Rodgers has been able to cover up the Packers lack of investments in receivers for so long. Anytime Rodgers didn't play, we saw just how terrible the offense was without him. Sadly, the last real receiving weapon (Davante Adams) left Green Bay and now all the Packers can do is hope that one or both of the 2 rookies can get up to speed, before Rodgers hangs it up.

I do agree that Gute should have definitely done more to replace Adams and MVS during this past offseason.

With that being said, outside of maybe drafting a receiver instead of Jordan Love, what else could they have done to improve the offense in prior seasons, especially the passing game? Also, why should they have given priority to the offense, especially the passing game, over the defense?

The defenses have for the most part been average or bad since we last had the core group of players that won the last Superbowl. Meanwhile, our offenses have consistently been among the best in the league up until this year. Not to mention that we have been up against the salary cap in recent off seasons (although trading Adams did briefly free up some cap space), which prevents us from making huge signings in free agency, forcing us to rely on building through the draft and/or finding diamonds in the rough/average players in free agency that excel because they fit really well in our scheme/system or can be developed into great players by the coaching staff.

 

[milani]

I do agree that Gute should have definitely done more to replace Adams and MVS during this past offseason.

With that being said, outside of maybe drafting a receiver instead of Jordan Love, what else could they have done to improve the offense in prior seasons, especially the passing game? Also, why should they have given priority to the offense, especially the passing game, over the defense?

The defenses have for the most part been average or bad since we last had the core group of players that won the last Superbowl. Meanwhile, our offenses have consistently been among the best in the league up until this year. Not to mention that we have been up against the salary cap in recent off seasons (although trading Adams did briefly free up some cap space), which prevents us from making huge signings in free agency, forcing us to rely on building through the draft and/or finding diamonds in the rough/average players in free agency that excel because they fit really well in our scheme/system or can be developed into great players by the coaching staff.

Now this rationale is good. And others will argue with our cap situation it could not be helped. It takes me back to a very similar sore spot of mine in 2005. Only the names were not Adams and MVS. And the GM was not Gute. But so many sympathized with that GM because of that cap year. I just wish they railed that GM they way they rail this one.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Take a pay cut and stop complaining. Before I was all for Rodgers getting paid because he’s carried this franchise for years. But it’s time for him to stop *****ing or give up some money. Plain and simple. We all l know the Packer front office leaves little to be desired.

Rodgers can't even take a pay cut for this season as his base salary is the veteran minimum.

LOL....While I agree that Love was 1 of many things that the Packers did or didn't do to improve the offense, it started years before the Love pick. Davante Adams in 2014 was the last major investment that the Packers made at WR, until this past draft. Which at the time (2014) might have made sense, since they had Jordy and Cobb, both playing at a high level and let Jones go during Free Agency. After that point, as the Packers lost their starting WR's (Jordy and Cobb) to Free agency, neither TT or Gute seemed particular worried about replacing either of them with a decent FA or high draft pick. Instead, investing a ton of draft resources and money into the defense.

Aaron Rodgers has been able to cover up the Packers lack of investments in receivers for so long. Anytime Rodgers didn't play, we saw just how terrible the offense was without him. Sadly, the last real receiving weapon (Davante Adams) left Green Bay and now all the Packers can do is hope that one or both of the 2 rookies can get up to speed, before Rodgers hangs it up.

Yeah, you're right about that. I just felt the need to take an unnecessary shot at the selection of Love as I hadn't done it in quite some time

Also, why should they have given priority to the offense, especially the passing game, over the defense?

The front office shouldn't have prioritized the offense but not completely neglected it like they did for too many years.

 

[Krabs]

LOL....While I agree that Love was 1 of many things that the Packers did or didn't do to improve the offense, it started years before the Love pick. Davante Adams in 2014 was the last major investment that the Packers made at WR, until this past draft. Which at the time (2014) might have made sense, since they had Jordy and Cobb, both playing at a high level and let Jones go during Free Agency. After that point, as the Packers lost their starting WR's (Jordy and Cobb) to Free agency, neither TT or Gute seemed particular worried about replacing either of them with a decent FA or high draft pick. Instead, investing a ton of draft resources and money into the defense.

Same could be said about the TE position. For too many years, the Packers have been chasing their tail with trying to find a decent TE, yet not willing to give up anything but a 3rd rounder or the signing of what ended up being 2 washed up TE's.

Aaron Rodgers has been able to cover up the Packers lack of investments in receivers for so long. Anytime Rodgers didn't play, we saw just how terrible the offense was without him. Sadly, the last real receiving weapon (Davante Adams) left Green Bay and now all the Packers can do is hope that one or both of the 2 rookies can get up to speed, before Rodgers hangs it up.

The front office shouldn't have prioritized the offense but not completely neglected it like they did for too many years.

It's hard for me to totally agree with this because I think they actually have tried to address the WR and TE positions. They have just been really bad at doing it. If one does go back to 2014, which really isn't that long ago, Adams was the only WR they hit on. Ty Montgomery, 3rd round bust from 2015. The 2016 draft was really bad. No investment until Trevor Davis in the 5th. 2017 they got Jamaal Williams and Arron Jones. They're receiver choices stunk in Yancey and Dupre. 5th and 7th round picks. 2018 they tried as well. J'Mon Moore, MVS, and EQ. Boy, that draft looks pretty horrible. 11 picks and only Alexander left. 2019 they took Sternberger in the 3rd. No WRs at all. 2020, no WRs at all, but grabbed Dillon and Deguara. Deguara doesn't seem to be a difference maker. 2021, they got Amari Rodgers in the 3rd. He's looking like a bust. This last draft they grabbed Watson and Doubs.

Anyway, I think they have tried to get some guys. They just have not developed as they had hoped. Now if the argument is that they should have been drafting 1st and 2nd rounders over the past few years, I can get behind that. I just don't agree that they have completely ignored WR and TE. Just some really bad picks and maybe they should have paid MVS. That would have helped this season for sure.

Since this is the Aaron Rodgers being disgruntled thread, I feel the need to add something about that. Seems he is disgruntled at his teammates mistakes.

 

[milani]

It's hard for me to totally agree with this because I think they actually have tried to address the WR and TE positions. They have just been really bad at doing it. If one does go back to 2014, which really isn't that long ago, Adams was the only WR they hit on. Ty Montgomery, 3rd round bust from 2015. The 2016 draft was really bad. No investment until Trevor Davis in the 5th. 2017 they got Jamaal Williams and Arron Jones. They're receiver choices stunk in Yancey and Dupre. 5th and 7th round picks. 2018 they tried as well. J'Mon Moore, MVS, and EQ. Boy, that draft looks pretty horrible. 11 picks and only Alexander left. 2019 they took Sternberger in the 3rd. No WRs at all. 2020, no WRs at all, but grabbed Dillon and Deguara. Deguara doesn't seem to be a difference maker. 2021, they got Amari Rodgers in the 3rd. He's looking like a bust. This last draft they grabbed Watson and Doubs.

Anyway, I think they have tried to get some guys. They just have not developed as they had hoped. Now if the argument is that they should have been drafting 1st and 2nd rounders over the past few years, I can get behind that. I just don't agree that they have completely ignored WR and TE. Just some really bad picks and maybe they should have paid MVS. That would have helped this season for sure.

Since this is the Aaron Rodgers being disgruntled thread, I feel the need to add something about that. Seems he is disgruntled at his teammates mistakes.

I agree with that. Thompson did hit with Jermichael Finley but it was short lived due to a career ending dirty hit by one of the Cleveland Browns. In 2013 Rodgers said he had the best TE in the game. But after him we have never come close at the TE position. So we sign Jimmy Graham who once was the premier player at that position but only after he was a shadow of what he was.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I do agree that Gute should have definitely done more to replace Adams and MVS during this past offseason.

With that being said, outside of maybe drafting a receiver instead of Jordan Love, what else could they have done to improve the offense in prior seasons, especially the passing game? Also, why should they have given priority to the offense, especially the passing game, over the defense?

The defenses have for the most part been average or bad since we last had the core group of players that won the last Superbowl. Meanwhile, our offenses have consistently been among the best in the league up until this year. Not to mention that we have been up against the salary cap in recent off seasons (although trading Adams did briefly free up some cap space), which prevents us from making huge signings in free agency, forcing us to rely on building through the draft and/or finding diamonds in the rough/average players in free agency that excel because they fit really well in our scheme/system or can be developed into great players by the coaching staff.

Good point. Some blame for the current offensive woes can be traced to the need to draft high for the defense, and failing for multiple years - Randall, Rollins, Jackson, Jones - and on and on. All the while, the O was playing lights out.

My point is that there are several good reasons for the Packers' weak performance this year. The team looks exhausted, and it's only week 8.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Now if the argument is that they should have been drafting 1st and 2nd rounders over the past few years, I can get behind that.

Which is why I said "major investments". I don't consider 3rd-7th round picks, major investments. They tried to invest Free Agent money in 3 TE's (Cook, Bennett and Graham). Cook they should have resigned and didn't and they didn't get good return on the other 2. TT at least tried to keep 2-3 quality WR's on the roster, but he slipped back in 2016 and 2017 when he should have started adding a high pick to replace Cobb and Jordy. I think Gute compounded it even worse, with his lack of attention to it. It still befuddles me how they thought they would be able to have a lot of success this year with the receiver room that they had on Sept. 1st.

 

[Krabs]

Which is why I said "major investments". I don't consider 3rd-7th round picks, major investments. They tried to invest Free Agent money in 3 TE's (Cook, Bennett and Graham). Cook they should have resigned and didn't and they didn't get good return on the other 2. TT at least tried to keep 2-3 quality WR's on the roster, but he slipped back in 2016 and 2017 when he should have started adding a high pick to replace Cobb and Jordy. I think Gute compounded it even worse, with his lack of attention to it. It still befuddles me how they thought they would be able to have a lot of success this year with the receiver room that they had on Sept. 1st.

To be fair, major could mean quantity too. Like the year where we took three WRs. That's an investment in the position. I do understand your point though.

 

[Magooch]

Which is why I said "major investments". I don't consider 3rd-7th round picks, major investments. They tried to invest Free Agent money in 3 TE's (Cook, Bennett and Graham). Cook they should have resigned and didn't and they didn't get good return on the other 2. TT at least tried to keep 2-3 quality WR's on the roster, but he slipped back in 2016 and 2017 when he should have started adding a high pick to replace Cobb and Jordy. I think Gute compounded it even worse, with his lack of attention to it. It still befuddles me how they thought they would be able to have a lot of success this year with the receiver room that they had on Sept. 1st.

Yep, this. It's not so much that they never bothered adding anybody but that it sure feels like they simply did not value the position nearly as highly as they should have - or if nothing else - *certainly* less than most others.

I mean, I like the guy just fine, and I think he's a good player...but prior to this year's draft, we spent a higher draft pick on AJ Dillon than any WR bar Davante Adams in the last decade (And I believe the same is true of Eddie Lacy, for that matter...). In a league that continues to become more and more pass-dominant, spending more draft capital on a bruising RB than on wideouts is a little unconventional, if nothing else.

And to be fair I do think Rodgers can make players better (or has in the past) but we were really seemingly expecting him to produce a miracle with what we gave him to work with this season.

So, yeah. It's not that we've not tried to reinforce the position at all but it seems to me like most other teams tend to value the position more highly than we have.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yep, this. It's not so much that they never bothered adding anybody but that it sure feels like they simply did not value the position nearly as highly as they should have - or if nothing else - *certainly* less than most others.

I mean, I like the guy just fine, and I think he's a good player...but prior to this year's draft, we spent a higher draft pick on AJ Dillon than any WR bar Davante Adams in the last decade (And I believe the same is true of Eddie Lacy, for that matter...). In a league that continues to become more and more pass-dominant, spending more draft capital on a bruising RB than on wideouts is a little unconventional, if nothing else.

And to be fair I do think Rodgers can make players better (or has in the past) but we were really seemingly expecting him to produce a miracle with what we gave him to work with this season.

So, yeah. It's not that we've not tried to reinforce the position at all but it seems to me like most other teams tend to value the position more highly than we have.

Yeah I think this is true. Good point about drafting a RB higher than WRs. And the year three WRs were drafted, only one, MVS had anything close to success. I think those were 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks.

As for TEs, yeah the evidence suggests the GM(s) don't value the position. It's almost like they thought Rodgers was so good, they could put anyone at wideout.

 

[OldSchool101]

OldSchool, do you think Gluten trades for a real WR this week? Would it matter? We've been talking about Chase Claypool.

My opinion is yes.

This is 4-fold.

1. Shows your fan base you don’t give up.

2. Shows your team you believe in them

3. Shows your QB you are not done investing in him. Might even keep #12 in GB another year or two and we all know that is worth it in itself.

4. Takes care of an enormous need at WR next season with a known talent

I know it’s going to cost. But I think it would totally revitalize us and things start to gel

Just Do it Brian. Go get Moore or Claypool

 

[Mondio]

I think they're really making a play for someone young"ish" but fairly proven, worth it and will likely cost something more than conditional late round picks. The young guys haven't shown any signs of growth, one can't get on the field. I'm not holding it against him or anything, it's just reality. and our best 3 are unreliable from an availability standpoint. We need someone, fairly substantial or this isn't going to work.

 

[OldSchool101]

Getting someone like Claypool or Moore in their prime won’t fix 2020 or 2021, but it will absolutely impact 2022-2023.

 

[milani]

Good point. Some blame for the current offensive woes can be traced to the need to draft high for the defense, and failing for multiple years - Randall, Rollins, Jackson, Jones - and on and on. All the while, the O was playing lights out.

My point is that there are several good reasons for the Packers' weak performance this year. The team looks exhausted, and it's only week 8.

You described it perfectly. EXHAUSTED.

 

[Voyageur]

I don't think there's anything that can be done to fix this year to be honest. At this point, Rodgers is no longer the QB he was in the past, and there are too many injuries on the offensive line, and they keep trying to play the guys who are hurt, possibly extending how long they won't be ready. Add to that the lack of experience of our WR corps, and what could be considered some poor coaching decisions along the way, and this year is just about history. Don't mortgage the future through trying to pump life into a dead season.

What they need now is to look to the future, and if they make any moves, make them with the intent they will help us for the next three years after this one, if possible. That's what's needed. It will be Love's game for those three years, unless he totally bombs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And to be fair I do think Rodgers can make players better (or has in the past) but we were really seemingly expecting him to produce a miracle with what we gave him to work with this season.

This is something too many people gloss over. They will say "Hey, we had one of the best offenses in the league, no improvements needed." Well perhaps the Packers offense would have been just that much better had the Packers invested more in the WR's and TE's that Rodgers has had the last 5 or so seasons

Davante Adams has to be smiling a bit. Since he, MVS and Patrick are really the only thing missing from the last 2 seasons offense.

 

[gopkrs]

I think the O line and lack of time to throw and holes to run through has been a huge problem until last week...hopefully.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I'm 68 Bill. What does that make me? A "tweener"?

A distinguished looking gentleman Joe....lol

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Now if the argument is that they should have been drafting 1st and 2nd rounders over the past few years, I can get behind that. I just don't agree that they have completely ignored WR and TE. Just some really bad picks and maybe they should have paid MVS. That would have helped this season for sure.

It's true the Packers didn't completely ignore the wide receiver position but my point was that they didn't invest enough over the past few years. With that being said I don't believe paying MVS $10 million a year would have been a smart idea.

At this point, Rodgers is no longer the QB he was in the past, and there are too many injuries on the offensive line, and they keep trying to play the guys who are hurt, possibly extending how long they won't be ready.

Rodgers won two consecutive MVPs in 2020 and '21. I don't think he has regressed significantly from that in a span of only seven games.

What they need now is to look to the future, and if they make any moves, make them with the intent they will help us for the next three years after this one, if possible. That's what's needed. It will be Love's game for those three years, unless he totally bombs.

The Packers should finally go all-in as long as Rodgers is around. They can make moves for the future once he's gone.