Rodgers reportedly disgruntled, does not want to return to the Packers

[Deleted member 6794]

2nd, I don't see any down or distance markers. If big 94 isn't right in the pass lane, maybe Tonyan for a 3-4 yard gain, but Lazard looks to be the best option on that field.

The Packers needed six yards for a first down on that play.

I've said this before and I will say it again, using 1 Birdseye view screen shot to analyze an entire play, isn't really my cup of tea. First of all, you aren't seeing what the QB is seeing, second of all, you are only seeing the split second of time that the person trying to make a point desires to show you. So all 3 of the plays that you are attempting your analysis on here should be shown in their entirety and from the QB's perspective.

Unfortunately I can't post the videos here but trust me when I tell you there was nobody open on those plays Rodgers could have thrown to instead.

Bottom line for me, the Packers aren't scoring points and in the process, are going 3 and out too often. Time for the offense to maintain drives by picking up first downs. They don't seem to have the receivers/offense this year to hit the big homeruns, so for now, Rodgers needs to stop going after them. If receivers aren't getting open for first down passes, then figure out a way to get them open.

Let's face it, Rodgers has been dealt a really crap hand with his receiving weapons, or lack thereof, this season. So unless those players (and the OL) suddenly improve quite a bit, the offense is going to have to rely more on the two AJ's. Problem with that, defenses aren't too concerned about the Packers WR's and TE's and have figured out ways to shut down the Packers run and short passing game. MLF and his offensive coaches are going to have to reinvent themselves or this may end up being a long, painful season.

I wholeheartedly agree the Packers lack talent at wide receiver and tight end. Therefore it's entirely possible they will struggle for most of the season to put up points. MLF needs to get creative to scheme them open and either Watkins or Watson must present a reliable deep threat for them to excel.

It seems like MLF has lost the locker room. He did win a lot of games his first three years with one of the best QBs to ever play the game and at least a few guys who could catch the ball. I do believe that having Rodgers playing well is almost a guarantee of 10 wins. He is that good. Consecutive MVPs don't happen by mistake.

MLF doesn't come across as an ***-kicker on TV. But who knows what he's like in the locker room? Let's just say that if, in fact, he has lost the locker room, I wouldn't be that surprised. The pity of it is that this team has a lot of talent, with a few exceptions. It's easy to blame but this season's woes seem to be from bad coaching. And if they keep losing as they have been losing, which is to say unmotivated, then the talent will also be called into question.

Or maybe this is just softening us up for what GB football will look like for at least the first few years without Rodgers.

I don't get the impression that MLF has lost the locker room at all.

While in a "perfect world", I would agree with you. However, sadly most of the star players in most major sports are getting as much money as they can. If they don't get it from one team, there usually is another willing to give it to them. It would be nice to think that $20M/year is enough for 1 player, a player willing to spread the wealth and potentially better his team by doing so. That just isn't reality, as much as people like you and I think it would be awesome if it was. So, don't hold your breath, it isn't going to happen.

Why are you so adamant about the players not deserving their share of the league's revenue? Would you feel better about the billionaire owners pocketing even more money while sitting in their luxury suites watching the games?

And just my opinion, but I think most of their problems this year (including a lack of motivation) are coaching-related rather than player related.

It's pretty obvious a lack of talent at least contributes to the team struggling. In my opinion it's actually the main reason for it.

In 2018, Gluten had a choice between Rodgers and MM. We know who won.

McCarthy had lost the entire team back in 2018.

Now it's 2022. Rodgers doesn't have leverage and Gluten would look to trade him if his relationship with MLF becomes a problem.

Rodgers has a ton of leverage as the Packers trading him would result in a ton of dead money counting against their cap. In addition I don't believe he's interested in playing for another team and might threaten to retire.

I know but then they deserve rotten teams like the Packers are turning into. I am not happy with the entire organization

I truly like your ability to thoroughly analyze the situation.

If they don't do well in the 1st half offensively. Play Love. Take Rodgers out. I would sort of like to see him cry right about now.

Love wouldn't be able to succeed with the lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball currently on the roster.

We've been here before with the Packers. What's new, IMO, is that they seem to lack any motivation to play, or to play better. You can see it in their body language, they all just kinda slump, and they are taking physical beatings from other teams. In short, they're soft.

I don't agree the Packers lack motivation.

 

[milani]

Brett was almost pulled at half time vs the giants in the nfccg in 07

I've heard from very reliable sources that was discussed...seems brett wasn't following the game plan

Wouldn't that have been a twist

Never heard that before either from Favre or MM. Do you know the heat MM would have taken if he threw a very green Rodgers in at the time? Probably worse than losing the game. Especially for a guy who never played in Arctic conditions.

 

[Krabs]

Why are you so adamant about the players not deserving their share of the league's revenue? Would you feel better about the billionaire owners pocketing even more money while sitting in their luxury suites watching the games?

I've said this for years. If the players don't get paid the owners just pocket the money. That's why there is actually a minimum salary cap too. Not sure if people are aware of that, but owners have to spend a minimum amount. Some owners truly don't care about winning because they make money either way.

Also, Rodgers made a good point a few years back when asked about taking less money like Brady has done. I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like this. Why wouldn't the best player on the team make the most money? Why wouldn't the MVP of the league make the most in the league? If that is not the case then the system is broken.

It's not about Rodgers being greedy and wanting to drive the team into the ground. Players, including Rodgers, want to get paid what they think they are worth. I certainly think that is fair.

 

[milani]

Oh nooooooooo!!!!!!!

I don't know about breaks. We came out better when Brady started. The last 3 weeks have been embarrassing.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Brett was almost pulled at half time vs the giants in the nfccg in 07

I've heard from very reliable sources that was discussed...seems brett wasn't following the game plan

Wouldn't that have been a twist

Wow that's a wild story ltf. Who was Favre's backup?

 

[Heyjoe4]

I've said this for years. If the players don't get paid the owners just pocket the money. That's why there is actually a minimum salary cap too. Not sure if people are aware of that, but owners have to spend a minimum amount. Some owners truly don't care about winning because they make money either way.

Also, Rodgers made a good point a few years back when asked about taking less money like Brady has done. I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like this. Why wouldn't the best player on the team make the most money? Why wouldn't the MVP of the league make the most in the league? If that is not the case then the system is broken.

It's not about Rodgers being greedy and wanting to drive the team into the ground. Players, including Rodgers, want to get paid what they think they are worth. I certainly think that is fair.

I agree. I don't think there are many people, if any, willing to work for less than what their work is worth. I think in economics such a person would be called an "irrational actor". I'd call them "****ing nuts".

 

[milani]

Wow that's a wild story ltf. Who was Favre's backup?

Maybe the same person that started the story.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Maybe the same person that started the story.

LOL - very possible now that I think of it. Thanks milani!

 

[milani]

LOL - very possible now that I think of it. Thanks milani!

In 2007 we recall that #12 replaced Favre in the Cowboy game after Favre hurt his arm on a blitz. It was a TNF game so he had 10 days to heal to keep his streak in tact. What coach ever pulled Favre because of anything but an injury or garbage time? Not even Holmgren. Heck, he went out for one play for a concussion in 2004 but ran back out on the field before the doctor could stop him and threw a TD on the next play.

 

[Heyjoe4]

In 2007 we recall that #12 replaced Favre in the Cowboy game after Favre hurt his arm on a blitz. It was a TNF game so he had 10 days to heal to keep his streak in tact. What coach ever pulled Favre because of anything but an injury or garbage time? Not even Holmgren. Heck, he went out for one play for a concussion in 2004 but ran back out on the field before the doctor could stop him and threw a TD on the next play.

Yeah it's unimaginable that Favre would quit a game, even involuntarily, at any point. He just wouldn't leave the field pf play. His streak still amazes me and with the new concussion protocols, or maybe even without them, his consecutive starts record will never be broken. Maybe that's a good thing given what we've learned about concussions.

But yeah, Favre always remembered how he got his first chance to start (I think he replaced an injured Majkowski) and the rest is history.

 

[Mondio]

Heck, he went out for one play for a concussion in 2004 but ran back out on the field before the doctor could stop him and threw a TD on the next play.

That was against the Steelers wasn't it? I was at that game and feel l was concussed too, because I barely remember it LOL

 

[Voyageur]

I've said this for years. If the players don't get paid the owners just pocket the money. That's why there is actually a minimum salary cap too. Not sure if people are aware of that, but owners have to spend a minimum amount. Some owners truly don't care about winning because they make money either way.

Also, Rodgers made a good point a few years back when asked about taking less money like Brady has done. I'm paraphrasing, but it was something like this. Why wouldn't the best player on the team make the most money? Why wouldn't the MVP of the league make the most in the league? If that is not the case then the system is broken.

It's not about Rodgers being greedy and wanting to drive the team into the ground. Players, including Rodgers, want to get paid what they think they are worth. I certainly think that is fair.

I'd like to see a healthy chunk of the money being made by players going into a retirement/disability/health insurance program that would help those who are retired from becoming charity cases. So many of them have limited insurance because of their time in football, and end up broke before they die. Even programs to help their mental health after football, because of concussions, etc, aren't properly addressed. That's as much on the players, their union, and owners. Maybe the networks should insist on a diversion of the money, on a mutually supported agreement for the common good.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'd like to see a healthy chunk of the money being made by players going into a retirement/disability/health insurance program that would help those who are retired from becoming charity cases. So many of them have limited insurance because of their time in football, and end up broke before they die. Even programs to help their mental health after football, because of concussions, etc, aren't properly addressed. That's as much on the players, their union, and owners. Maybe the networks should insist on a diversion of the money, on a mutually supported agreement for the common good.

Excellent idea. And that should include a few bucks from Goodell’s $120 mil. Salary.

 

[Krabs]

I'd like to see a healthy chunk of the money being made by players going into a retirement/disability/health insurance program that would help those who are retired from becoming charity cases. So many of them have limited insurance because of their time in football, and end up broke before they die. Even programs to help their mental health after football, because of concussions, etc, aren't properly addressed. That's as much on the players, their union, and owners. Maybe the networks should insist on a diversion of the money, on a mutually supported agreement for the common good.

I'm pretty sure this already exists through the players union. I think a player has to play 3 years to be fully vested into the pension plan.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I'm pretty sure this already exists through the players union. I think a player has to play 3 years to be fully vested into the pension plan.

I think you're right Krabs, and it includes healthcare as well. At least I think it does. At any rate, Voyageur is right. Considering how violent the sport is, and that the guys who make over $10 million for 15 years are rare, it would be good if they took care of all the guys required to play the game.

But if I had a kid, there's no way I'd let him near a football field. It's weird. I love the sport in spite of the dangers. I know they make a decision to play, and they're certainly more aware of the risks than when Bart Starr was a QB. Considering how much money the sport makes, it would be good to have a program that makes sure they never go broke for football-related injuries.

 

[milani]

Excellent idea. And that should include a few bucks from Goodell’s $120 mil. Salary.

I remember Johnny U with health problems before he died. And Jim Ringo as well. They could have used a few extra $$ for their families to care for them.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I remember Johnny U with health problems before he died. And Jim Ringo as well. They could have used a few extra $$ for their families to care for them.

Yeah. We all love football and the Packers, but it's a brutal sport. I do wish they'd implement the additional helmet cushioning seen in camp this year. I know it looks weird, but the payers seemed to like it and I don't think it interfered with play.

That doesn't help with the myriad knee, leg, neck and spine injuries these guys go through, which can be crippling way too early in life.

 

[Voyageur]

It's a terribly high percentage of NFL players who end up in wheel chairs, long before they reach 65. It's also sad as to how many of suffered and died, at a young age. NFL players die at an average age of just under 60, while the average male in the US lives to be just under 80.

78% of NFL players are broke 2 years after they leave the game.

The cost of the NFL health insurance policy is roughly $35,000 per year. It's covered for five years, then the player has to pay for it. As far as conventional insurance, it's not readily available. They have to spend out of pocket until they reach Social Security retirement, and then, a supplement plan is very costly, if they can even find one. Of course they can pay for that insurance out of their retirement, which by the way, is $43,000 a year. So, they'd have $5,000 a year to live on.

The problem is, the players of today don't give a rip about those that came before them, and people get the misguided impression that the money these guys make is huge. For guys in the lower 1/3 to 1/2 of the pay on their team, there's not as much there as you'd imagine.

Now they're finding that 87% of the players in, and retired from the NFL, have CTE to one degree or another. We're talking about the reason so many of them have psychological problems, and sometimes so bad that they commit suicide.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It's a terribly high percentage of NFL players who end up in wheel chairs, long before they reach 65. It's also sad as to how many of suffered and died, at a young age. NFL players die at an average age of just under 60, while the average male in the US lives to be just under 80.

78% of NFL players are broke 2 years after they leave the game.

The cost of the NFL health insurance policy is roughly $35,000 per year. It's covered for five years, then the player has to pay for it. As far as conventional insurance, it's not readily available. They have to spend out of pocket until they reach Social Security retirement, and then, a supplement plan is very costly, if they can even find one. Of course they can pay for that insurance out of their retirement, which by the way, is $43,000 a year. So, they'd have $5,000 a year to live on.

The problem is, the players of today don't give a rip about those that came before them, and people get the misguided impression that the money these guys make is huge. For guys in the lower 1/3 to 1/2 of the pay on their team, there's not as much there as you'd imagine.

Now they're finding that 87% of the players in, and retired from the NFL, have CTE to one degree or another. We're talking about the reason so many of them have psychological problems, and sometimes so bad that they commit suicide.

Geez 87% with some degree of CTE? That's awful. And yeah, most of these guys are only in the league for a few years, and a lot of that money goes to agents and the IRS. It seems criminal that the league and owners make so much money and yet they can't properly care for the guys who make it all possible.

 

[OldSchool101]

I also wonder how much of that brain damage gets started before they even get to the pros. Some guys started playing football in grade school (like myself) I know many that were good enough athletically, yet did not make it past HS because of injuries. By the time they’ve played through a 4 year Rookie contract, many have 10+ years of getting hammered.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I also wonder how much of that brain damage gets started before they even get to the pros. Some guys started playing football in grade school (like myself) I know many that were good enough athletically, yet did not make it past HS because of injuries. By the time they’ve played through a 4 year Rookie contract, many have 10+ years of getting hammered.

Sad but true.

 

[longtimefan]

Wow that's a wild story ltf. Who was Favre's backup?

Rodgers

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Why are you so adamant about the players not deserving their share of the league's revenue? Would you feel better about the billionaire owners pocketing even more money while sitting in their luxury suites watching the games?

I never said that the players don't deserve a share of the NFL's outlandish revenues. What I have said and will continue to say, is that those revenues as a whole, are what will eventually make me quit following the NFL. Me being disgusted by what players make, doesn't equate to me being happy about what management is making.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Also, Rodgers made a good point a few years back when asked about taking less money like Brady has done.

Brady actually hasn't taken significantly less money than other quarterbacks in the first place. The Patriots always found a way to structure his deals in a perfect way though.

I never said that the players don't deserve a share of the NFL's outlandish revenues. What I have said and will continue to say, is that those revenues as a whole, are what will eventually make me quit following the NFL. Me being disgusted by what players make, doesn't equate to me being happy about what management is making.

Well, if you don't like the NFL making a ton of revenue you need to stop watching the games on TV, attend games in person, buy merchandise etc. Otherwise you shouldn't complain about it as long as you contribute to that revenue in my opinion.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well, if you don't like the NFL making a ton of revenue you need to stop watching the games on TV, attend games in person, buy merchandise etc. Otherwise you shouldn't complain about it as long as you contribute to that revenue in my opinion.

I don't expect you to remember, but I have stated many times here and with others outside the forum, that this is a hypocritical dilemma for me. While I never buy tickets, I go with a buddy when his wife doesn't go, the ticket is free for me. While I never buy new jerseys, I have a dozen from second hand thrift stores. I try to avoid commercials and buying products which sponsor the NFL. But yes, I am fully aware of my "addiction" to watching Packers games and how doing so doesn't jive with my feelings about the economic side of the NFL.