Pittsburgh studs duds

[GBkrzygrl]

Stud:

+ Kumerow still lacks the speed of Jordy. He's probably the second slowest of our WRs in 40yd dash stats. Didn't realize Geronimo had worse stats! But yeah, he looks like the most polished WR of the rookies. I expect him and MVS to make the cut.

+ Graham The middle route running with beastly catching ability. And him and AR12 has a good connection already. Takes the offence to a new dimension.

+ Gilbert - Delicious playing.

Dud:

- TyM's drop was atrocious. Basic ball protection lapse. It was not even that hard a tackle. We have better WRs and RBs and that doesn't bode well for him.

- Ha Ha looks to be continuing his indifferent form.

What the heck happened to Ha Ha? He looks like he is not really trying? Hopefully he remembers that he is on an extension year, because he is not playing like it.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I think you are forgetting about Tramon Williams, possibly Wilkerson, to some extent House and Mercedes Lewis?

I was not keen on the Wilkerson signing for reasons amply discussed previously, which I won't repeat.

Conversely, the beteran big men whose roles are set are not out there to win on every snap. For defensive players, they're out there to get that game day feeling and the juices flowing while getting in some game contact.

We won't know what we've got in Wilkerson until the money games start. House looks pretty good so far, certainly as good as you can expect for a bench vet if one of the rooks takes his job or a bunch of his snaps, which is a good bet. Lewis is a guy who's been doing what he does for a long time without a lot of speed or athleticism and a lot of durability. Guys who rely on speed and athleticism are the ones you have to watch to see if they hit a wall. I think we'll get what we paid for with Lewis providing he picks up the blocking scheme.

 

[HardRightEdge]

What the heck happened to Ha Ha? He looks like he is not really trying? Hopefully he remembers that he is on an extension year, because he is not playing like it.

Too soon to tell. Again, here we have a vet whose role is set playing in a game that does not count. Business decisions? I don't begrudge that in preseason with those kinds of vets.

On several occasions I've expressed the opinion that he wasn't as good in 2016 as that Pro Bowl nod would suggest nor as bad in 2017 as the consensus opinion seems to be. The 2016 opinion was based on a quick glace at the INT count, a pretty crude measure of a guy's performance over 1,152 snaps, not to mention a couple of those picks were air mailed into his breadbox.

On the other hand, in 2017 he was contending with a lot of confusion, mistakes and in some cases deficient talent among his DB compatriots playing in front of him. It's hard to play with confidence when the **** can spring a leak anywhere on the field and you're the last line of defense in stiking a finger in the hole.

Gotta wait for the money games where a big improvement in talent at the CB position with a less confusing scheme is in the cards. There won't be any excuses then.

 

[Dantés]

I mentioned before that St. Brown had 2 drops in the Steeler game which nobody seems to want to acknowledge. And to my eye he plays soft.

So, regardless of my previous analysis which is admittedly a bit hard to digest, my Cliffs Notes early call is as follows subject to minor adjustment with 2 more outings to go:

1) Adams
2) Cobb
3) and 4) Allison and Kumerow, not necessarily in that order. Probably Allison to start week #1 in deference to experience. Kumerow might steal that job eventually if he gets enough chances in 4-wide or as an injury replecement. Allison's become a pro, but he's simply not all that productive.
5) and 6) Valdez-Scantling and Moore, not necessarily in that order. Which gets on the game day roster will depend on special teams value. Maybe both, but I kind of doubt. There are too many bases to cover with 46 guys. Moore is starting to show slot utility, with a couple of nice inside routes. That could also be a difference maker on game day as Cobb's injury backup.
7) St. Brown or Davis depending on whether the coaches are satisfied with other returner options replacing Davis, which at this point I think is quite plausible. They're looking hard at finding one, and Rollins or Jackson look at least adequate. I'm thinking Jackson got a look because Rollins is on the bubble in a crowded game day CB group. Punt-returner-only does not look like a path for either Davis or Rollins. Davis might save himself if he's seen as the best option on kickoff returns; nobody is standing out in that role.

One thing I alluded to in my Moore breakdown, but forgot to elaborate on, is an adjustment he needs to make in the NFL game. In the college tape, when in contact with defenders for contested balls, we see a lot of back shoulder and jump ball lobs. With a couple of the so-call drops in these two games where he has position but the defender in contact (the diving miss in week 1, the second almost-pass-interference in week 2), the balls are lower trajectory / higher velocity than those college softballs. This is the NFL where what counts for separation is a smaller window with a faster ball. There seems to be a simple technique/timing issue...he needs to be looking for the ball sooner. I think he's working off the defender past the sell-by moment, with the ball coming up on him faster than he expects, ergo the tough catch is not made. He's a quick-twitch guy with a lot of quickness in his processing so I think he can make that adjustment in time.

It is my opinion there is too much raw material in Moore and enough good technique to go with the bad to at least earn him a roster spot even if he doesn't make the game day roster.

The only difference between a practice squad player and a 53 man roster guy who doesn't suit up on game day is you're paying him more and protecting him from being signed away because of his upside. From what I've seen so far, drops and psudo-drops notwithstanding, Moore qualifies in this group.

That's a little much. It's a talking point today with Moore because it's been a worse and more persistent problem for him than the other receivers.

 

[HardRightEdge]

That's a little much. It's a talking point today with Moore because it's been a worse and more persistent problem for him than the other receivers.

Suite yourself. I'm telling you what I see, stated in excruciating detail, weighing the pros and cons, and you can take it or leave it. A bunch of casual observers thinking otherwise isn't going to change my mind.

Nothing is certain with potential and its development, but I've put the weight where I think it belongs.

 

[Jerellh528]

I never thought Kumerow would make the 53, but now question for those who think he will make the 53, with this sprained sc joint in his shoulder, if he misses the next 2 weeks of practice and preseason does he make the team?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I never thought Kumerow would make the 53, but now question for those who think he will make the 53, with this sprained sc joint in his shoulder, if he misses the next 2 weeks of practice and preseason does he make the team?

Probably...mostly likely...maybe....yes. Of course unless it turns out to be more than a sprained SC joint or 1-2 rookie WR's put on an absolute clinic in the next 2 games.

 

[Mondio]

Someone will have to out play him, this far they haven't

 

[HardRightEdge]

I never thought Kumerow would make the 53, but now question for those who think he will make the 53, with this sprained sc joint in his shoulder, if he misses the next 2 weeks of practice and preseason does he make the team?

You cross that bridge when you get to it. It doesn't look that serious.

 

[Jerellh528]

You cross that bridge when you get to it. It doesn't look that serious.

Yeah it was just a hypothetical question, although his diagnoses of sc joint sprain has a typical recovery time aligning within the 1 to 2 weeks range for the lowest grade sprain. They haven’t said if it’s grade 1, 2, or 3 but I’m assuming grade 1 because it’s not thought to be serious.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Studs: QBs and WR. Gilbert. DBs.

Duds: Run block and RB. Starting Defense. JK Scott.

Either Way: Kumerow. Stud if he's not injured, DUD if he IRed himself with that dive.

Did he get injured? Kumerow

 

[HardRightEdge]

Did he get injured? Kumerow

Here, diving into the end zone: https://www.packers.com/video/can-t-miss-play-wr-jake-kumerow-takes-off-for-82-yard-td

 

[Dantés]

Suite yourself. I'm telling you what I see, stated in excruciating detail, weighing the pros and cons, and you can take it or leave it. A bunch of casual observers thinking otherwise isn't going to change my mind.

Nothing is certain with potential and its development, but I've put the weight where I think it belongs.

So am I just a casual observer then?

I told you I appreciated the write up. I don’t even disagree with your take on Moore. I think you nailed his strengths. All this amounts to is me saying that an inability to catch the ball with any semblance of consistency might put his roster spot in jeopardy.

 

[HardRightEdge]

So am I just a casual observer then?

When you comment on stuff without having seen the game (see week 1), then if the shoe fits, wear it.

Now I'm just messing with you. I like some of your posts.

 

[7thFloorRA]

Not that he has any shot of making the team but Martini Greer may be one of the worst tacklers i have ever seen.

 

[Dantés]

Not that he has any shot of making the team but Martini Greer may be one of the worst tacklers i have ever seen.

Greer Martini has been a starter on special teams and one of the first ILB’s off the bench from what I’ve seen. He might actually have a shot if they don’t sign a veteran.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Greer Martini has been a starter on special teams and one of the first ILB’s off the bench from what I’ve seen. He might actually have a shot if they don’t sign a veteran.

He definitely has a shot because there simply are not very many ILBs on the roster.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Greer Martini has been a starter on special teams and one of the first ILB’s off the bench from what I’ve seen. He might actually have a shot if they don’t sign a veteran.

He definitely has a shot because there simply are not very many ILBs on the roster.

Not only a shot, but he may be one injury away from starting, another season with very little quality depth at ILB.

 

[gopkrs]

Not understanding why Moore can't be let go. If he gets open now; he must have gotten open in college. And yet he lasted until the 4th round. Leads me to believe he has always had a hands problem. Why should that change? And we seem to have others doing very well. At this point, I sure would not be concerned about other teams taking him from the practice squad. Why would they and who cares if they did? If all of a sudden he gets sticky fingers; I'll admit it.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Not only a shot, but he may be one injury away from starting, another season with very little quality depth at ILB.

There's always Matthews at ILB and Gilbert off the edge. Jones could get another shot at it. Did I say this stuff already or was I just thinking it?

 

[OldSchool101]

Stud: The one that really stuck out to me was Gilbert. His play was elevated among his peers.

Also, Josh Jackson has been consistently good so far.. he made that pick 6 look easy. If you watch the replay he did a great job of keeping his balance afterwards and avoiding the chalk. I think he was underestimated in the draft due to a slow 40 time. That’s 2 solid performances in as many games.

Duds: Biegel needs to get that scared look off his face and hit someone for a loss. He’s always 1 sec late to the show and I’m becoming concerned his injury set him back more than i original thought.
I know we can make excuses for J’mon. But like Lofton said.. he needs to attack the ball and fight for position. His facial expression looks like a cross between confused and lackadaisical.

 

[pacmaniac]

Dud - Dmitri Goodson. Even Ahmad Carroll or Quentin Rollins would have successfully defended that pass.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You realize he only played one series, right?

Allison played a total of 20 snaps vs. the Steelers, which was one more than Kumerow.

Starter run d sucked. Daniels didnt play but still, I expect more from the frontseven. They were actually really good against the rush last season.

In general I like the DBs alot. They cover very tight and effective. Ofc not everything is working but I see much improvement already. And Jaire didnt even play yet.

Cant understand why Jahri Evans is still a free agent. He got bad at the end of last season but still better than Murphy and co.

I fully expect the run defense to be a strength this season once again. Alexander played 10 snaps vs. the Steelers.

The Packers primarily need a decent backup tackle. With Evans being a guard he doesn't fit that need.

Duds:
McCray: Didn't look so hot out there. I can see Lucas Patrick taking over his 'spot.'

McCray still is the front runner to start at right guard in week 1.

Hopefully Wilkerson will do better as he plays some more. Not sure he has had a lot of snaps.

Wilkerson has played a total of only 15 snaps during the first two preseason games.

 

[SD Cheesehead]

I never thought Kumerow would make the 53, but now question for those who think he will make the 53, with this sprained sc joint in his shoulder, if he misses the next 2 weeks of practice and preseason does he make the team?

If he misses the next two weeks I think it’s the perfect opportunity to try and stash him on the PS. I’ve loved how he looks but he is still 26 with a limited athletic ceiling. I think our best case scenario is Adams, Cobb, Allison, Davis(for kick returns), and 3 rookies with Kumerow on PS. He is a perfect guy to call up if/when an injury occurs and be a solid safe option.

 

[AmishMafia]

If he misses the next two weeks I think it’s the perfect opportunity to try and stash him on the PS. I’ve loved how he looks but he is still 26 with a limited athletic ceiling. I think our best case scenario is Adams, Cobb, Allison, Davis(for kick returns), and 3 rookies with Kumerow on PS. He is a perfect guy to call up if/when an injury occurs and be a solid safe option.

Doubt he is eligible. This is his 4th year already. Maybe IR him? I think it's either active roster or he is cut.