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[Pokerbrat2000]

I would define "a lot" as 100-200 snaps. The team is deep and talented on the defensive line and shallow/questionable at edge rusher. Pettine's defense relies on scheming free rushers via blitz combinations as much or more than on guys who win one-on-one match-ups and he has incorporated more DL use to that end than we've been used to seeing in Green Bay. I don't think Wilkerson is going to be his old dominant self, but I do think that he can be effective enough in limited opportunities to be a 5T rusher.

The thing I like best about the DL this year is the fact that they are deep. Not just for injuries, but for subbing in and out. With Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Lowery and Adams, that is about as strong and deep of a DL as we have seen in GB in a long time. I actually like Adams and think he potentially could be a quality guy in a year or 2.

 

[Dantés]

The thing I like best about the DL this year is the fact that they are deep. Not just for injuries, but for subbing in and out. With Daniels, Clark, Wilkerson, Lowery and Adams, that is about as strong and deep of a DL as we have seen in GB in a long time. I actually like Adams and think he potentially could be a quality guy in a year or 2.

Agree. And I like that the depth stretches across the line at various positions. Most of the guys can play multiple spots, but Daniels and Adams are natural three techniques, Wilkerson and Lowry are natural fives, and Clark is a 1T/NT. It just remains to be seen if Lancaster or Mbu can stick as a backup to Clark (if they actually want one).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Agree. And I like that the depth stretches across the line at various positions. Most of the guys can play multiple spots, but Daniels and Adams are natural three techniques, Wilkerson and Lowry are natural fives, and Clark is a 1T/NT. It just remains to be seen if Lancaster or Mbu can stick as a backup to Clark (if they actually want one).

Lancaster or Mbu will probably be PS guys, so no need to carry either on the 53. The obvious hope is that the defense starts with the DL doing their job. If they can, this will make the jobs of the other 7-9 guys so much easier. I know a lot of people aren't that high on Wilkerson, but I don't think we have fully seen the guy we will see once the regular season starts. He is hungry and wants to prove himself.

 

[Dantés]

Lancaster or Mbu will probably be PS guys, so no need to carry either on the 53. The obvious hope is that the defense starts with the DL doing their job. If they can, this will make the jobs of the other 7-9 guys so much easier. I know a lot of people aren't that high on Wilkerson, but I don't think we have fully seen the guy we will see once the regular season starts. He is hungry and wants to prove himself.

And they're in position to keep him that way, as he's only on a one year deal.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I’m not saying that Matthews would never line up as a true edge rusher. But it would be characteristic of Pettine’s defense to see a lot of snaps with three DL and one edge. I think that edge will be Perry more often than not, because he lacks Matthews’ off-ball skills and is probably the better pass rusher at this point when healthy.

I'm not convinced the Packers will use that formation often as the pass rush is at its best with Matthews lined up on the edge. Pettine might be inclined to have three defensive linemen on the field if either Perry or Clay are hurt though.

 

[easyk83]

I'm not seeing any changes to the PS rules for 2018. If 2017 rules still apply Kumerow's 2018 PS eligibilty is easily explained if the time line in the following link is accurate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Kumerow

According to the 2017 rules, one way to qualify for PS is to have 2 or fewer previous seasons on a PS, with a PS season defined as 6 weeks or more on a PS.

If that time line is correct, 2015 and 2016 would count as PS seasons with the Bengals.

In 2017, he was waived/injured before the season started, placed on IR, then injury settled before he got to an accrured season. Then he spent just a couple of weeks on New England's PS and never got to the 6 week mark.

So, he has 2 official PS seasons under belt and no accrued seasons. That would explain Kumerow's PS eligibility.

Another way to qualify, which does not involve Kumerow, is having two or fewer accrued seasons of free agency credit under a rule that allows up to 4 such "veteran" players on PS per team..

From all indications, Jeronimo Allison qualifies for the PS. In fact, the entire last 2 draft classes for the entire league would qualify, up to 4 per team.

After reading several web published articles from respectable sources I have not found one that makes clear how a combination of accrued seasons and PS seasons works.

Can a guy have 2 PS seasons and 2 accrued seasons under the "4 veterans" rule and spend yet a 5th. season on the PS? Dunno. It's really just a curiosity. If a guy can't make a 53 man roster in his 5th. year there likely isn't going to be much interest in putting him on a PS at that point.

Good shakedown and agreed on ***, he looks fluid and precise into and out of his breaks. If he reminds me of anyone it's Davante Adams.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Good shakedown and agreed on ***, he looks fluid and precise into and out of his breaks. If he reminds me of anyone it's Davante Adams.

He has looked impressive thus far, no question. I would caution some to temper that enthusiasm just a bit, however - August football generally means vanilla defenses and a lot of sub-par opposition.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Good shakedown and agreed on ***, he looks fluid and precise into and out of his breaks. If he reminds me of anyone it's Davante Adams.

More Adams than Nelson, but not quite.

Kumerow is a short strider, has adequate speed but not long speed, with poor jumping numbers at his Pro Day, while putting up a quick 20 yard shuttle. Those numbers and that running style are more like those of a much shorter player, like a 5'10" slot receiver.

Oddly, Kumerow's measurables which sync with his play style and route running has a different analogue if you look past the height:

http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=82261&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR

 

[HardRightEdge]

He has looked impressive thus far, no question. I would caution some to temper that enthusiasm just a bit, however - August football generally means vanilla defenses and a lot of sub-par opposition.

I couldn't agree more. However, the rookies share that advantage in a point of comparison. I don't think anybody is expecting some undrafted-Thielen-like breakout. It's a question of whether he's worthy of a roster spot or the next step, suited up on game and getting some snaps.

With Allison as the presumptive starter, that's a low bar to steal snaps.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

He has looked impressive thus far, no question. I would caution some to temper that enthusiasm just a bit, however - August football generally means vanilla defenses and a lot of sub-par opposition.

While that's definitely true Rodgers going out of his way and praising Kumerow makes me believe he has a chance to contribute in the regular season as well.