Packers vs Texans Studs n Duds

Pokerbrat2000

Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.
Joined
Oct 30, 2012
Messages
33,391
Reaction score
8,691
Location
Madison, WI
What will be paramount is our DL. Clark and company cannot get dominated by rushing attacks. They have to force teams to go outside.
Well if they are going to force runners outside, they need to remind Preston, Van Ness, Enagbare and Gary to contain the outside. Sometimes I think all 4 of those guys are so focused on sacks, they forget about containing the edges.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
7,329
Reaction score
2,195
Gee, I thought they looked sharp. I got a kick out of how the fans followed suit. It looked great on TV. The Pack did wear Packers colors, just not as much as they normally do. ;)
I liked then uniforms a lot too, especially the white helmets. Don't get me wrong, the Packers are green and gold. This was just a cool change of pace, and it did look great with the fans also wearing white.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
7,329
Reaction score
2,195
What will be paramount is our DL. Clark and company cannot get dominated by rushing attacks. They have to force teams to go outside.
Agreed. There is no question the front four on the D need to pay better. Hafley intended them to be fast and aggressive and move quickly to the backfield. That ain't happening and maybe the shoe just doesn't fit. Let the Edge guys and LBs do their thing, and keep dropping down any one of the excellent safeties now and then. That safety group is very athletic. Make the most of it.

And Wilson sure used Walker's absence to his advantage. They have to find ways to get him in the game.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
7,329
Reaction score
2,195
It's a testament to how out of touch a LOT of our fan base is to just how "lightning striking three times" our current scenario appears to be....our QB play for the fast majority of three decades has been amazing; and this has created out of our fanbase a section that is truly ignorant to just how hard high level QB play in the NFL is.
Love just needs to be Love, his own guy. As you point out, elite QB play is rare in the NFL. They all have one thing in common, they learn from mistakes. Love kept his cool on the last drive, something he's struggled with before. That drive was important for a lotta reasons.
 

tynimiller

Cheesehead
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
14,817
Reaction score
5,466
Well if they are going to force runners outside, they need to remind Preston, Van Ness, Enagbare and Gary to contain the outside. Sometimes I think all 4 of those guys are so focused on sacks, they forget about containing the edges.

That's odd folks have been screaming bloody murder they have been playing contain too much and not enough attack...
 

Pokerbrat2000

Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.
Joined
Oct 30, 2012
Messages
33,391
Reaction score
8,691
Location
Madison, WI
That's odd folks have been screaming bloody murder they have been playing contain too much and not enough attack...
Personally, I would rather see pressures and containment (of QB and outside runs) over just sacks. Sacks are nice, but when the OC knows that he can count on those DE's to take a straight line to the QB, its pretty easy to design plays to take advantage of it. If you watch Rashan Gary and LVN, both of those guys are guilty of it. The sacks will come, especially with our secondary playing much better this season.
 

Pokerbrat2000

Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.
Joined
Oct 30, 2012
Messages
33,391
Reaction score
8,691
Location
Madison, WI
Not sure if someone explained this elsewhere, but if you were like me, you were wondering why the Packers got the ball at the 25 and not the 40, after the Texans kicked the ball out of bounds.

This explains it. Also shows you how coaches knowing the rules and loopholes is important.

 

GBkrzygrl

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 6, 2012
Messages
809
Reaction score
262
Something that's crossed my mind a few times this season, and really really stood out to me yesterday, is that this young team ofen looks as though the spectacular success they all had together the last half of 23 went to their heads, and on some level they're taking it for granted. I think many of them may still be too young and inexperienced to realize how rare an achivement like that was in the NFL, and how disciplined a team has to be and how hard a team usually has to work in order to make that happen.

I hope I'm wrong, because that's a very bad state of mind for a team to fall into, but I don't think i am. I've seen something very similar happen a couple of times in hockey, and it's a tough pattern to break out of. Hopefully, yesterday was a kick in the *** wake-up call that they need to play smarter and more disciplined ball; it's starting to get a little worrisome that Lafleur doesn't seem to be having any luck getting this message across.
I agree with you except Alexander is a vet and he couldn't seem to keep his mouth shut.
 

tynimiller

Cheesehead
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
14,817
Reaction score
5,466
Personally, I would rather see pressures and containment (of QB and outside runs) over just sacks. Sacks are nice, but when the OC knows that he can count on those DE's to take a straight line to the QB, its pretty easy to design plays to take advantage of it. If you watch Rashan Gary and LVN, both of those guys are guilty of it. The sacks will come, especially with our secondary playing much better this season.

I shared going into the Texans we were one of the best in pressures
 

Thirteen Below

Cheesehead
Joined
Jan 15, 2022
Messages
935
Reaction score
686
I also think it's kind of funny to hear things like "He needs to be more Rodgers and less Favre." I mean, I guess if I had it my way I'd prefer that, too...but it's not like Favre was some slouch, either. If Love "only" ends up like Favre that's still a smash success. He's literally a HoF QB lol.
Personally, I've been a huge Love supporter ever since the first half of last year's season opener against the Bears, and while I was starting to get a little worried during that one sub-par stretch early in 23, I was still confident he was going to work it out. People on multiple boards ridiculed me almost from the beginning, because by October I was openly proclaiming that he had the talent and the mental makeup to go as far as he wants to, including the Super Bowl and HoF.

I never predicted that he was going to achieve those heights, but I knew from watching him that he had all the ingredients to do it. In 13 months I have never wavered in that conviction, and I am literally thrilled to have him as our QB - and I think just about every other poster on this board feels the same way.

But that doesn't mean we don't want him to improve as a player, and it certainly doesn't mean we're complaining about him. Of course we all want him to play better when he has a bad game, or even a good game where he didn't quite play up to his level. Every single play and every single game, you want every team and every player on that team to improve themselves in some way. That's what separates winners from losers.

Can you imagine a coach in the NFL telling his players (even after a big win) "you all played as well as you needed to play today, don't worry about trying to improve on anything for next weekend. Just play as well as you played today, and we'll be fine"? Of course not. Every coach knows there's always room for improvement, and expects even his star players to constantly do so. Anything less would be complacency, the acceptance of mediocrity. Why should we, as fans, feel any differently? If he's capable of playing better (and we know he is) then we want to see him do it.

I will say, though, that just because I'd like to see him throw as few interceptions as possible, I can live with a higher number than we saw last year. Last year, his TD:INT ratio was 3:1. That was phenomenal (Mahomes, Brady, Burrow). This year, it's 2:1, and yeah a lot of fans are really freaking out about it, but I'm not.

Historically, 2:1 is not a bad ratio at all - we've just gotten spoiled by Aaron Rodgers, Mr. 4:1 (a ratio that will never be topped). Historically, 2:1 has always been an acceptable range for franchise quarterbacks who are successful in other phases of the game. Love's 2:1 is "Joe Montana" and "Philip Rivers" level, just a couple ticks below Steve Young and Peyton Manning and way ahead of Dan Marino and Kurt Warner.

Granted, I'd like to see him improve on it, and I believe he will. But if that's where he comes in at the end of his career, and he's accomplished what those players did, I think we'd all be extremely pleased.
 
Last edited:

milani

Cheesehead
Joined
Jun 11, 2012
Messages
4,701
Reaction score
1,789
Well if they are going to force runners outside, they need to remind Preston, Van Ness, Enagbare and Gary to contain the outside. Sometimes I think all 4 of those guys are so focused on sacks, they forget about containing the edges.
I think we have the speed to get outside and cover the edge but when the DL gets beat off the ball it forces the LBs to try and stuff the interior.
 

Thirteen Below

Cheesehead
Joined
Jan 15, 2022
Messages
935
Reaction score
686
Love just needs to be Love, his own guy. As you point out, elite QB play is rare in the NFL. They all have one thing in common, they learn from mistakes. Love kept his cool on the last drive, something he's struggled with before. That drive was important for a lotta reasons.
I loved this take on it, from SI's Coleton Orr -

My colleague Albert Breer was a little more spartan on Jordan oveL than I was Monday morning and you can listen to our discussion on the MMQB podcast here. Breer liked the idea of Love exploring all parts of the field as he hones his sense of what he can and cannot do. I have seen a few weeks of vacillation, and while the highs are incredible and Love throws one of the most beautiful balls in the league, it also motivates him to take some really interesting chances, or believe he can drive a ball without properly setting his feet all the time.

I like this way of looking at it. A lot calmer, more big picture... not so much panic and depserate urgency.
 

Members online

Top