I would have liked to kept the 4th rounders, but I am not disappointed in the Pick at all. and the cost to move up 10 spots wasn't that much relatively speaking. People wanted to package all sorts of things up to move into the top thinking that was a good idea to get the guy they wanted. Well they Identified a guy that wanted and got him. I think Savage fits exactly what we needed back there and I don't think he would have made it past the pick after ours anyway. I don't think he would have been available later.
Packers trade up to #21.....S Darnell Savage
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Adderley went 60th Overall
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I doubt the Packers could ever do anything that would please this guy. He was probably one of those who hated it when Thompson picked Rodgers at #12 in 2005.
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I think the thing with WRs is that there are so many of them on the 2nd tier. There were no elite guys, and the value only started in late 1st. Metcalf was only liked by the media. You can put together some clips of great plays, but the vast majority of his plays he is not open.
Anyway, I think there are still 20 WRs out there similar to No. 10 on the list. I think teams are just waiting. Pack will still have a shot at a decent one in the 5th.
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I think he likes the attention. If he is really this negative he must be a barrel of fun at parties.
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So in your opinion improving our pedestrian defense won't support our elite QB going forward? I can't recall a time when a team with a below average defense win squat even with a great QB.
Extra possessions for the offense never helps...
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If you want a true free safety, a guy to play single-high in man/blitz, something Pettine likes to do with some frequency, Savage was the best choice. He also has the flexibility to play off coverage against the slot. What he he lacks is the size and build for flexibility to play SS roles, up in the box or covering TEs, and certainly not the hybrid ILB role.
He's a complimentary player to "Smash" Amos who is now pegged for those SS roles, and perhaps even some hybrid ILB snaps where the SS/ILB distinction is entirely blurred. Jones was pulled from the hybrid ILB role altogether and Burks has not inspired confidence in the hybrid role, while there is no ILB pick, hybrid or otherwise, at least down to the 5th. round.
I confess to being surprised by this pick. While the Packers said they intended to use Amos in multiple roles, this pick says he's going to be primarily in those SS/ILB roles when not in two-high safety. I thought they'd go the other way, picking a guy who would fit as either a FS or SS as with Amos to mix, match and disguise, with Amos the primary guy in single-high. I was fooled by Amos' contract. He was #1 on my FA want list, but I did not think they paid him this kind of money to assume this role, but evidently his flexibility and as a "glue" player was highly valued.
Long story short, you can't look just at the player. You have to look at scheme fit, and beyond that the other players around him and how they might complement each other.
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Why did Adderley last so long? And why are the others still available? If they were on Savage's level in the league's mind, they would not have lasted 40+ picks after him (or 80+ in the case of Thompson and CGJ).
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In the final analysis, I believe Packer fans will be happy Adderley was not the guy.
Here's Penny Hart breaking his ankles or leaving him flat-footed in the Senior Bowl workouts:
https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1088260635878674433
https://twitter.com/_stevefrederick/status/1087934659948961792
While covering slots would not be his primary responsibility, and that flexibility aspect might be discounted in light of other positives, safeties need twitch and reaction too. I'd worry he's a tick or two shy of prime time, a shortcoming that would have been disguised against FCS competition. Maybe he'd be a good player in a zone-heavy scheme. I don't know what the Chargers run, but that ain't Pettine.
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Tough to say without knowing how each team rated the players. If they had Savage as a 7.1 and Adderly as a 7.0, then we screwed up. If adderly was the #2 safety and a 6.4, then we made a great move. I thought the safeties were all about the same, seems that is wrong. If all other teams had Savage as a 6.4, then again, we screwed up
In the end, we filled our only need we had to fill IMHO, with the best safety in the draft. Gute did what he felt he had to do and I'm going to trust that. He seems to me like a calculating shrewd analyst. Not afraid of taking risks, but understands the level of risk, cost and reward. Gute traded up because the reward was great and the risk of missing his guy was too much.
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Nor better field position to start each drive . . .
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That was YOU that Nagler got the restraining order on?
I am going to say the same thing to you as the poster below. Sure, it can be frustrating to be armchair GM's/coaches and disagree with what Gute is doing, thinking we know better. However there are a 1000 reasons why we all aren't GM's and Gute is. Before throwing in the towel on somebody else's decisions and declaring them a failure, shouldn't you see how those decisions play out first? Shouldn't you admit to yourself that just maybe you could be wrong and you weren't privy to all the information the Packers had in making their decision?
Honestly, I felt the same way, until I started reading why the move was made by Gute. Most of us had seen Adderly's name as a perfect fit for the Packers, maybe even a target at #30, since nobody thought he would be there at #44. But real life plays out and Adderly lasts until #60. So I have to conclude, other GM's felt the same way as the Packers did and not how the media and some fans felt about him. Look at the list of names that went in rounds 2 and 3, many of them were at one time being mocked as first round picks.
DK Metcalf is a perfect example of perception and reality. I saw the guy mocked in top 10 on several mocks Some Packer fans may have been over the moon ecstatic had he been picked at #12. Yet, he lasted until the very last pick of the 2nd round.
Speaking of Metcalf, although I am not a fan of Pete Carroll's, this was actually pretty funny and well played by Carol.
https://www.seahawks.com/news/pete-carroll-takes-his-shirt-off-to-meet-d-k-metcalf
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I think the deal with Savage is that it's really hard to find players with his skillset.
He can fly down alleys quickly to hit a RB or screen. And willingly! Needs to learn how to wrap up.
He can hang with slot routes.
He's really smart on the field! Diagnoses quickly and MOVES.
He can play centerfield, but I think that's where he needs the most work. He's smart, so it should come with experience.
He's a phenomenal athlete with good production.
I have two hangups with him. His size, and how he tackles. He needs to wrap up or he will get himself hurt. Similar to Bob Sanders.
What I love the most is that he can play so many positions, but he's smart enough on the field that he can be truly interchangeable with Amos. They can both play both positions! Pettine needs good, interchangeable safeties. He has them now, and it will change our defense dramatically.
If Savage were 6'1 205, he would've been a top 15 pick easily. But he wasn't, and we are reaping the benefits.
You guys will love watching him play after dealing with HaHa's lack of aggression. Promise.
He can fly down alleys quickly to hit a RB or screen. And willingly! Needs to learn how to wrap up.
He can hang with slot routes.
He's really smart on the field! Diagnoses quickly and MOVES.
He can play centerfield, but I think that's where he needs the most work. He's smart, so it should come with experience.
He's a phenomenal athlete with good production.
I have two hangups with him. His size, and how he tackles. He needs to wrap up or he will get himself hurt. Similar to Bob Sanders.
What I love the most is that he can play so many positions, but he's smart enough on the field that he can be truly interchangeable with Amos. They can both play both positions! Pettine needs good, interchangeable safeties. He has them now, and it will change our defense dramatically.
If Savage were 6'1 205, he would've been a top 15 pick easily. But he wasn't, and we are reaping the benefits.
You guys will love watching him play after dealing with HaHa's lack of aggression. Promise.
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That was my take as well.
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I think Savage was the best on our board of Free safeties. He is really fast and can cover center field. So no, he was our guy and we stepped up and got him. No one has a crystal ball (that really works anyway) but he has the measurables that we wanted. I certainly did not want another in the box safety.
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Are you Ted Thompson?
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Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.
Agreed and considering he was the first DB selected in the draft, that says a lot to me. He may not have gotten a lot of media hype over the last several months, but it sounds like all of a sudden in the last few weeks, as teams were getting down to business and really narrowing their draft boards, he was showing up at the top of the DB's in several teams boards.
Sorry Brandon, I no longer bother reading your posts. It appears you are just seeking attention. I don't feed trolls.
Gute wanted savage, .He knew with out a doubt another team was taking him...
He pulled the trigger
He pulled the trigger
In answer to the first quoted post all of these pretty much say the same thing and I agree with them all. If you have a GM who identifies the man he wants and goes and gets him I will support that move all day long. Even if its not someone I particularly liked or didn't know. It may not always work out but IMO its better than sitting back and waiting to see what the other GM's leave for you. FWIW Savage seems to have been moving up boards rather quickly in the past couple of weeks. Things like this and the Metcalf thing really point out the difference between the media football guys and the real football guys.
As far as the first quoted post, initially I felt the same way, well not exactly. I was fine with Gute moving up to get the guy he wanted so I wasn't really annoyed. However, given who was left and the fact that those were all names I would have been happy to have I was left wondering if we maybe could have kept our 4th rounders. After watching those guys fall even further though it makes me feel even more confident in saying I think Gute did the right thing in getting the right guy for what I considered our greatest position of need.
HRE brought up the versatility factor and I don't dispute anything he said (mostly because I'm still trying to figure it out
) and while it is nice to have players that can play all over sometimes its nice to just have a few guys who are very good at what they do. You can't fill the entire roster with the jack of all trades type guys. IMO you need a few masters as well. Its not like this move all of a sudden changes what Amos can do. It may mean he will not be asked to do as much of it but he will still be capable.After all I have read about this guy I am very excited to have him on our team. I might end up liking the pick even better than the Alexander coup of last year.
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Oh my word, why would you even ask this.....I feel you should be banned for a time frame equivalent to the length of post this no doubt is going to trigger.
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@brandon2348The fact is Chirstian Wilkins was sitting there at 12 and Johnathan Abram was
Some of you guys are like someone that went to a car dealership to buy a car and got twisted upside down and get home just to realize you got TAKEN.
So now rather then admit you got suckered you try to sell yourself with all these little tid bits like it had a SUN ROOF!!!!!
Well you paid an extra 5k for that SUN ROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it LEAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah F*** it, i aint got time to deal with nonsensical gibberish
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