Packers trade up to #21.....S Darnell Savage

[Packer Fan in SD]

I’m not sure if this had been said, but he got picked at #21 overall. The same pick used on Haha Dix. While Dix was serviceable, if given the choice I’d take Savage instead of him at #21 even being blind to how Savage will fare.

Note: When Dix got drafted I texted my sister (also a WI native and huge Packer fan) that we drafted this exciting new safety by the name of
“HaHA Clinton-Dix”

She texted me back something to the effect of “Sounds like someone Id like to party with”

I swear that’s a true story, she’s a hoot!

A few year back in my fantasy football league I drafted Carlos Hyde and Haha. I named my team “Hyde Monica, It’s Clinton-Dix”.

 

[Mondio]

A few year back in my fantasy football league I drafted Carlos Hyde and Haha. I named my team “Hyde Monica, It’s Clinton-Dix”.

Impressive

 

[PackAttack12]

The Packers are the first team thus far to officially sign a first round pick to a contract. The Packers and Savage have inked a deal.

 

[Pkrjones]

Overthecap is projecting it to be a 4 yr/ $12.5Mil with $7Mil Signing Bonus... with the 5th yr option. Let's see how close the real details are to this.

 

[GreenReign]

Trading 2 4ths for a player that we really wanted is good value, when you consider that MAYBE only about 25% of all 4th round picks make any sort of impact in the league.

 

[PackerDNA]

the Seahawks would have had every right toask for and expect by the draft chart a 3rd rounder. I'd rather give up 114 and 118 than 75. We got the slightly better of that deal.

 

[PackerDNA]

Overthecap is projecting it to be a 4 yr/ $12.5Mil with $7Mil Signing Bonus... with the 5th yr option. Let's see how close the real details are to this.

Since the deals are slotted, that's probably accurate.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Rock sits down and talks with Packers first round pick Darnell Savage.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1126500463657009152

 

[Heyjoe4]

Trading 2 4ths for a player that we really wanted is good value, when you consider that MAYBE only about 25% of all 4th round picks make any sort of impact in the league.

Nice point on the odds of a 4th round pick contributing. Yeah I was ok with that trade. Savage would have been gone by #30. He wasn’t on my radar though. I was watching Adderley. Well, that’s why gluten is GM and not me!

 

[OldSchool101]

The part that made it palatable for me was our two 4th rounders were equivalent to a 3rd round compensatory selection in 2019.
I’ll trade a comp pick to move 9 slots better position in round 1 with any position, nearly any draft. That’s a very fair deal for us to get as close to a sure thing at a position as important as Safety.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The part that made it palatable for me was our two 4th rounders were equivalent to a 3rd round compensatory selection in 2019.
I’ll trade a comp pick to move 9 slots better position in round 1 with any position, nearly any draft. That’s a very fair deal for us to get as close to a sure thing at a position as important as Safety.

I don't understand why you consider a compensatory pick being of less worth than other draft picks.

 

[gbgary]

I don't understand why you consider a compensatory pick being of less worth than other draft picks.

he said why in his post...and maybe because they happen at the end of a round and you get them because you've lost something of value. they kinda seem like a consolation prize...you get a toss of the dice for losing a proven talent.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't understand why you consider a compensatory pick being of less worth than other draft picks.

To clarify. What I meant was the comp picks don’t start until after all 3 rounds of regular draft picks are complete (96 picks) So trading a comp (from any round) is easily worth moving up 9 spots (like we did) during the first day IF our guy is there.
The worth of losing any one compensatory pick more often doesn’t outweigh losing the ability to pick the guy you know will be good enough to be a day one starter or has the attributes to be a perfect fit.
If that makes sense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

To clarify. What I meant was the comp picks don’t start until after all 3 rounds of regular draft picks are complete (96 picks) So trading a comp (from any round) is easily worth moving up 9 spots (like we did) during the first day IF our guy is there.

My point was that it doesn't make a difference whether a team trades a compensatory pick or a regular one to move up. The other team will evaluate the worth of it according to overall draft position.

 

[sschind]

My point was that it doesn't make a difference whether a team trades a compensatory pick or a regular one to move up. The other team will evaluate the worth of it according to overall draft position.

Some people would look at a comp pick as something extra so you are not really losing anything when you use it to trade up. I don't see it that way. once you are awarded the pick it is yours if you trade it away you lose something of value. of course you gain something of value as well.

If you win 1000 on your first spin of the slot machine some people will keep playing figuring they are playing with house money. Again I don't see it that way. Once you win the 1000 it is your money and if you play until its all gone you lost 1000. You may be even for the day but you were up 1000 so you did in fact lose 1000.

 

[GleefulGary]

The praise for Savage has been quite effusive so far.

What stands out the most to me?

Tramon Williams talking about how smart Savage is. Williams is a guy known for his football IQ. He watches a ton of tape, has been around a lot of great professionals...he's a pro's pro. So for him to really talk up Savage's brains, that means a lot imo.

Safety is a position where I would say that brains matter more than athleticism. A very good example would be Josh Jones. Absolutely an elite level athlete, but hasn't been able to get the mental part down. You look at the top safeties ever (like Ed Reed) and they were primarily good because of their starts. If Savage can be a smart safety, with his athleticism...watch out man!

We got a good one there. Only concern is injuries. He throws himself around a lot and has a little body.

 

[Mondio]

he does throw his body around, but it's different, he seems to be able to do it without killing himself. He's slicing and hitting, but he's not delivering huge blows and bearing the brunt of it. until proven otherwise he's still my favorite pick of the draft. I think big things are in store for him.

 

[Heyjoe4]

the Seahawks would have had every right toask for and expect by the draft chart a 3rd rounder. I'd rather give up 114 and 118 than 75. We got the slightly better of that deal.

I don’t know how the value numbers shake out, but I was fine trading two 4th rounders to move up and get Savage. Funny cause he wasn’t on my radar. Seems I was in a minority. Great pick. Now, what to do with Josh Jones? Personally I think he’d be better off coming in and competing. It likely means he plays close to the LOS but we need guys like that who can cover. And he’s not worth much on the trade market until he improves his play.

 

[sschind]

I don’t know how the value numbers shake out, but I was fine trading two 4th rounders to move up and get Savage. Funny cause he wasn’t on my radar. Seems I was in a minority. Great pick. Now, what to do with Josh Jones? Personally I think he’d be better off coming in and competing. It likely means he plays close to the LOS but we need guys like that who can cover. And he’s not worth much on the trade market until he improves his play.

I don't think you were in the minority at all. I think the pick took a lot of, if not most, people by surprise. He had been getting more recognition in the couple of weeks leading up to the draft but I still don't think most people, people outside the war rooms that is, had him pegged as the first DB off the board.

Now I do think that after reading more about him it didn't take many people long to come around to liking the pick as some "surprise" picks do (Rashan Gary any one)

 

[tynimiller]

We got a good one there. Only concern is injuries. He throws himself around a lot and has a little body.

he does throw his body around, but it's different, he seems to be able to do it without killing himself. He's slicing and hitting, but he's not delivering huge blows and bearing the brunt of it. until proven otherwise he's still my favorite pick of the draft. I think big things are in store for him.

I've watched more and more of his tape and Mondio and Janis both brought up his "physical style" of play and how well will he hold up issue. The more I watch the more I've grown to believe for the most part we are dealing with an incredible mind at work for Savage at the full speed of the game. Tramon eluded to this but watch some of his tape...very rarely does Savage seek out an explosive all out smash hit at the risk of not making the play. Incredibly smart with his choices in choosing when to hit/wrap/push through or lower the boom all out smashes. His football IQ seems incredibly high and can process at the snap of a finger what he should do. Does he have immediate help behind, is he alone, play situations and all you almost seem to feel he makes...this all coming less than a second after reading the play or the ball in the air...I said it early and the more I watch I'll keep saying it; Savage is my favorite draft pick in the 2019 draft. I'd even say he may be the pick that gives me the most confidence in a 1st round pick. The only two I felt similar on was Jaire last year and Bulaga way back when.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I LOVE looking at Savage's tape. I really wish we didn't have to pony up two 4ths but In Gute We Trust. Savage has been rising this entire scouting season though. Didn't think he'd be 1st S taken though. But he's a smaller and faster Amos, he can do it all back there.

Agreed, and another way to look at it is we got a solid starting S group (with the addition of Amos). And Savage can drop down and play the slot or play close to the line. The likelihood of 4th round picks starting their first year is low. I’m fine with the trade and do think Savage would have been gone at #30. Weakest position left on D is ILB, and again, Amos and Savage can fill in there.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Agreed, and another way to look at it is we got a solid starting S group (with the addition of Amos). And Savage can drop down and play the slot or play close to the line. The likelihood of 4th round picks starting their first year is low. I’m fine with the trade and do think Savage would have been gone at #30. Weakest position left on D is ILB, and again, Amos and Savage can fill in there.

The Packers starting safeties seem to be extremely solid but the team lacks quality depth at the position. I doubt Pettine plans on lining up either Amos or Savage to inside linebacker because of it.