Packers trade up to #21.....S Darnell Savage

[brandon2348]

Mortgaged our day 3 picks to move up to draft a safety most people had going in second round. Sounds about right for us.

INSANITY!!!!!!!!!

Seattle fleeced us.

 

[Pugger]

we have A Rodgers and this is our draft??

Defense wins championships. It is no coincidence when we won the 2 Lombardis since 1992 we had a superior defense. We can still address our offensive needs later today.

 

[OldSchool101]

While it was costly. It instantly made the backend of this Defense look completely different. We have a guy who can cover TEs and RBs and Slot receivers 4.36 speed and better instincts than Dix. There’s no coincidence that Dix and Savage we’re both picked at #21.
I saw several scenarios with Darnell going top 24. This isn’t a reach and do the math on 30+114+118 vs #21. It’s nearly 50 points less which is very fair.
We just paired the #30 bonus pick together with essentially our trades from last year and just hit possibly the best all around Safety in college.

I’m a proponent of Offense. But we can’t pass up being assertive when an opportunity presents and we now have one of the more talented Defenses in the NFL. We need a CB for depth and maybe an ILB but other than that? Where’s our weakness?
btw Darnell played in the box quite a bit with 2 safeties behind him and he was very successful there. He’s very fast and a very instinctive ball hawk (unlike Dix) and he had proven he can make teams pay both against the run and pass, not to mention his success on ST.

Anyway. It’s time to go after a couple an O weapons and an OL. There’s still some really good players who are difference makers just waiting for the right QB (and vice versa)
You got Jawaan, DK, A.J, Parris, Cody, Dalton, Deebo, Irv, the list goes on and on.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Gute talking to the media about Savage:

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[gonzozab]

Knowing this team they'll probably move him to corner.

 

[scotscheese]

Knowing this team they'll probably move him to corner.

that was the old regime, give the new coaching team a chance before tarring them with the same brush as MM/DC et al

 

[gonzozab]

that was the old regime, give the new coaching team a chance before tarring them with the same brush as MM/DC et al

They're already moving Gary. Why wouldn't they with Savage?

 

[scotscheese]

They're already moving Gary. Why wouldn't they with Savage?

you're already saying that they're going to move them before any such change has even been noted/mentioned anywhere else from what i can see. what was savages stated position, and what have we drafted him as?

 

[RepStar15]

I think as fans we forget that we are not actually scouts and just listen to what other scouts tell media outlets about certain players. No one would have been upset with taking Savage at 30 or 44, because thats where he was projected to go. Since we gave up two free picks and a 4th, it could be looked at as a disappointing pick. But if you really dive down, the Raiders most certainly would have taken Savage as he is clearly the best safety in the draft. He is the only player the Packers could have taken with immediate starting potential.

As for Rashan Gary, I absolutely hate that pick. But I can remember 4 years ago saying the exact same thing about the Packers passing on Reggie Ragland, Myles Jack, Vernon Butler and A’Shawn Robinson. That year they ended up with a smuck from UCLA that was projected to go in the second round! While we are all entitled to our opionions, we really know nothing. We do not what Mike Pettine’s plans are. We do not know how these guys will effect the locker room. We certainly do not know how they will pan out overall.

Go back and look at what you said about Kenny Clark in the 2016 draft archives. WE KNOW NOTHING. If Savage is the next Eddie Jackson and Rashan Gary is the next Ziggy Ansah, that means we added 5 starters to our defense...
Preston Smith is an upgrade to Nick Perry
Za’Darius Smith is an upgrade to Clay Matthews
Adrian Amos is an upgrade to Brice/Jones
IF Savage is the next Eddie Jackson he is an upgrade to Tramon Williams
IF Rashan Gary is the next Ziggy Ansah hes certainly an upgrade to Dean Lowry. Honestly, even if he is the next Dean Lowry he is going to be better than Dean Lowry from an athletism stand point.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

Knowing this team they'll probably move him to corner.

You need to watch Savage's tape before you make such an accusation. Several teams were interested in Savage playing nickel.

In certain packages, I could see Pettine playing Savage down to nickel and Jones up at FS(if he can get his **** together). If not Jackson can slide to FS as a substitute. But Alexander-King-Savage-Jackson-Amos on the field at the same time is absolutely potential Top 5 secondary in the league.

 

[thisisnate]

Really like the player a lot. Obviously, I don't have the insight that the front office has, but it really doesn't seem like we needed to trade up to get this player though. Must have been some sort of buzz around him that someone else might take him, but just seems like we trash binned a lot of draft capital for an unnecessary move up.

Just a note on this, if you can trust Reddit intel, allegedly Savage was a likely target of the Colts.

 

[tynimiller]

Big fan of this pick personally. I think the league was much higher than the idiot media was on him and some others instead of guys like DK Metcalf that had zero business in 1st round discussion IMO.

Savage is everything you want on back end. His range, instincts and high motor are impressive, but dude just LOVES football (something I think Gary needs assistance on).

Solid move IMO and really value wise didnt give up much at all in relation. Little shocked Gute didnt have Seattle toss back a 7th as well though.

 

[AmishMafia]

I know I am not a scout. But I thought there were several safeties who were closely ranked with Savage. Adderely, Chauncey Gardner, and Abram, I would have also been happy with. I even mocked Savage to us in the late 2nd. He is a really good player.

I think Safety was our biggest need, but I really thought we could still get a good one at 2.44. Obviously Gute had Savage ranked higher than consensus amateurs and felt the difference to the #2 safety on his list was a bigger gap than the value of a pair of 4th rounders.

The trade value is fair, and I am happy with the pick. Time will tell how much better he is than the other safeties, but we just got a tremendous player, who fits exactly what we need.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I really like the Packers ended up with Savage but as many others around here I'm not convinced it was necessary to give up both fourth rounders to move up in the draft to select him. Obviously there's no way for me knowing that though.

I just pray we’re not looking at another Kentrell Brice because they have almost the same attributes.

I fully expect Savage to be more productive than Brice who went undrafted for a reason.

In certain packages, I could see Pettine playing Savage down to nickel and Jones up at FS(if he can get his **** together). If not Jackson can slide to FS as a substitute.

With the Packers having signed Amos and drafted Savage there's no reason to have either Jones or Jackson line up at free safety.

 

[Mondio]

While it would have been cool to see the "Adderley" on the back of a Packer jersey back there, I think we got the best FS in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens helped drive that cost up in a trade because they were in on it too once they found out we were looking to get him. Gute doesn't strike me as the "just wing it" type guy who's careless with picks. I'm stating the obvious, but they obviously really liked Savage, and on a relativity scale, the cost wasn't really that much to move up almost 10 spots and get him in the 1st knowing that was probably your only chance to get him.

 

[PackAttack12]

Comments like “we could have gotten x player at 30” is so laughably ridiculous. Why do you think that? Because of the position the media pegged them for?

I don’t have a problem with anyone criticizing or analyzing a player’s game. But to suggest that you know that the Packers could have gotten him later on in the draft is just so laughably absurd.

 

[GleefulGary]

I really, really, like Savage.

He's so versatile, and we know Pettine needs that in his safeties.

When Baltimore (who was rumored to want Savage) traded down right after we took him, and it's been reported the Colts wanted him...it's kinda obvious he wouldn't be there at 30, let alone 44.

 

[DoURant]

While it was costly. It instantly made the backend of this Defense look completely different. We have a guy who can cover TEs and RBs and Slot receivers 4.36 speed and better instincts than Dix. There’s no coincidence that Dix and Savage we’re both picked at #21.
I saw several scenarios with Darnell going top 24. This isn’t a reach and do the math on 30+114+118 vs #21. It’s nearly 50 points less which is very fair.
We just paired the #30 bonus pick together with essentially our trades from last year and just hit possibly the best all around Safety in college.

I’m a proponent of Offense. But we can’t pass up being assertive when an opportunity presents and we now have one of the more talented Defenses in the NFL. We need a CB for depth and maybe an ILB but other than that? Where’s our weakness?
btw Darnell played in the box quite a bit with 2 safeties behind him and he was very successful there. He’s very fast and a very instinctive ball hawk (unlike Dix) and he had proven he can make teams pay both against the run and pass, not to mention his success on ST.

Anyway. It’s time to go after a couple an O weapons and an OL. There’s still some really good players who are difference makers just waiting for the right QB (and vice versa)
You got Jawaan, DK, A.J, Parris, Cody, Dalton, Deebo, Irv, the list goes on and on.

If you look at the trade chart moving from 30 to 21 was 180 pts, the 2 4th round picks were 124 points. We won that trade. I like the aggressiveness of Gute back to back years in the 1st Rd. He goes and gets his guys. He said in his press conference that he didn't think Savage would be there at #30. Plus, he didn't give up a 2nd or 3rd to move up in the 1st.. That's pretty good. I've been high on Savage the whole draft process, I looked at Safeties in January and his game jumped out over everyone to me, he was my #1 Safety. Then at the combine when he ran 4.36 I was like, damn this is a Gute guy, fast, fast, fast! In the last week the media got on board and realized hey, teams really really like this guy and started talking about him.

 

[tynimiller]

I really, really, like Savage.

He's so versatile, and we know Pettine needs that in his safeties.

When Baltimore (who was rumored to want Savage) traded down right after we took him, and it's been reported the Colts wanted him...it's kinda obvious he wouldn't be there at 30, let alone 44.

If you look at the trade chart moving from 30 to 21 was 180 pts, the 2 4th round picks were 124 points. We won that trade. I like the aggressiveness of Gute back to back years in the 1st Rd. He goes and gets his guys. He said in his press conference that he didn't think Savage would be there at #30. Plus, he didn't give up a 2nd or 3rd to move up in the 1st.. That's pretty good. I've been high on Savage the whole draft process, I looked at Safeties in January and his game jumped out over everyone to me, he was my #1 Safety. Then at the combine when he ran 4.36 I was like, damn this is a Gute guy, fast, fast, fast! In the last week the media got on board and realized hey, teams really really like this guy and started talking about him.

You two realize your common sense approach to the value of the trade and whether he'd been available is not welcome here LOL!!!

I agree 100%...all signs point towards Ravens wanted him, Colts rumored love as well...Gute pegged him as a guy they wanted and he moved to get him, in a trade which value of picks we won...and actually by a pretty good clip really.

 

[PackAttack12]

I really, really, like Savage.

He's so versatile, and we know Pettine needs that in his safeties.

When Baltimore (who was rumored to want Savage) traded down right after we took him, and it's been reported the Colts wanted him...it's kinda obvious he wouldn't be there at 30, let alone 44.

Don't tell Brandon that. He'll ramble for 4 or 5 paragraphs about insanity. He's a repeat track.

 

[DoURant]

You two realize your common sense approach to the value of the trade and whether he'd been available is not welcome here LOL!!!

Sometimes there has to be the voice of reason... In a room full of unreasonable voices.

 

[tynimiller]

Sometimes there has to be the voice of reason... In a room full of unreasonable voices or just brandon.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Do7]

This pick reminds me of the saying it's better to have and not need, rather than need and not have.

I believe he'll help strengthen what is looking to be a strong secondary. If we get that pash rush going then we'll be easily a top 10 top 5 defense.

We just need to make sure we get Rodgers some good weapons and some protection of the offensive side.

 

[bigbubbatd]

On the Gary pick I am wait and see but I love the Savage pick. He has the production, versatility and speed we need. Pairing him with Amos and then the young cbs couldn't lead to a special group. Tons of athleticism back there.

 

[tynimiller]

I'll admit getting Savage makes me wish we'd cut Tramon even more now than ever before...lot of money ate up by Tramon, and I am hoping he is a reserve player honestly.