Packers @ Lions Pre-Game (Thurs Night)

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"Green 19!!! Green 19!!!"
Do you think they were paying tribute to Rich Campbell? :)
Of course I want The Pack to win and am looking forward to a great game. But except that I want them to play well I can't help thinking it isn't really that important. Peaking is a bit too early imho and when we get into the playoffs; that's when we should be playing our best and with our best players. So I don't even want Jaire to play yet if he's not 100 percent. And home court advantage hasn't been much of an advantage for us. In the playoffs we have to be playing great and beat all the best teams to get to where we want to go. So whatever seed we are is OK with me right now.
I can see that angle.
There’s another side to all this though. This just might be the most banged up we see Detroit this year, their Starters have missed like 60 games and they are going the wrong direction. Our starters are better than their backups.
This also might be around the healthiest The Packers have been. I think I heard our Starters have missed like 9 games? That’s incredible.

The Packers need to be able to capitalize on the games they are expected to Win. While I am aware we are listed as a -3.5 underdog, I actually expect us to Win. I 100% know the gravity of that statement. We don’t even need to play perfectly, we just need to limit flags, go even or win the turnover battle, Run the ball efficiently and improve over our awful Redzone finish from last meeting
AND
keep the throttle down IF in the lead.

27-24 Packers
 
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Dan is right. It doesn't mean squat. It's amazing how people don't realize what goes into game planning. On every play, the defense has a play caller, and on offense, an O-lineman, usually the center, calls the line assignments based on the defense he sees, and the QB calls options within the play, or even changes the play.

How many times did people hear P. Manning yelling; "Omaha!?"

While I agree to some extent, let's face it, there aren't a lot of rocket scientists playing football. Learning signals, plays, protections, etc. isn't that easy for some.
So I doubt Campbell and the Lions Offense toss all of the things exposed here (if it was) and learn all new things.

That said, will Hafley try to take advantage of this "potential information"? I doubt too much. Not because it won't do them any good, but how fast is he going to teach his defensive players to learn all this info and then use it to their advantage?

Again, all of this is saying the info is good and won't be changed or manipulated to exploit the Packers having the "knowledge".
 
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I have no clue how smart he is or isn't, but sometimes athletes do get through some colleges without a ton of intelligence. ;)
Heck I did it and I’m not even an athlete!
To prove it when I read the above? I thought you were saying “some colleges are without a ton of intelligence”. I had to reread that 3 times! Reminded me of doing homework. :whistling:

PS. I took French.. Je parle Francais! so the first time I went to a Tutor in College? I told him that his name meant “You are the Pinnacle of a Rock”
 
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Heck I did it and I’m not even an athlete!
To prove it when I read the above? I thought you were saying “some colleges are without a ton of intelligence”. I had to reread that 3 times! Reminded me of doing homework. :whistling:

PS. I took French.. Je parle Francais! so the first time I went to a Tutor in College? I told him that his name meant “You are the Pinnacle of a Rock”
That would be; "Tu es le sommet d'un rocher."
The epogee I believe?

I didn't take French, or really learn to speak it, but I did have family on my Dad's side, who would speak in French around me at times, so I picked up a little of it. J'ai appris un peu de français. I cheated. I used the help of a translator on the last one.
 

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I didn't take French, or really learn to speak it, but I did have family on my Dad's side, who would speak in French around me at times, so I picked up a little of it. J'ai appris un peu de français. I cheated. I used the help of a translator on the last one.
I was pretty good at French Kissing in college, does that count?
 

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I was looking at some stats and I noticed the Packers are top 10 in both offensive and defensive points. If you measure by yards, the offense stays in the top 10 but the defense drops out.

Also interesting, Love has 20 TDs to Rodgers 19, and has more INTs than Rodgers. Love has a better passer rating though, while Rodgers has more yards. I thought that was interesting, considering the Packers have had a much better year than the Jets have. Of course Love has Josh Jacobs, that explains some of it.
 

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I touched on this last week, but the Packers are now 9-3, without beating all that great of teams. Probably their "best" wins came against The Texans, Cardinals and Dolphins. I really don't consider the wins against The Rams or 49'ers as "playing and beating .500 teams", since both of those teams played without key players when we beat them. Their other 4 wins, Colts, Titans, Jaguars and Bears speak for themselves, teams you really should beat.

I guess what I am getting at is this, for the Packers to convince me that they are a top 5 team, what they do against the Lions and Vikings will tell me where the Packers really are at this point of the season. Granted, both are road games, but also teams they could likely face in the playoffs, on the road.
 
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I touched on this last week, but the Packers are now 9-3, without beating all that great of teams. Probably their "best" wins came against The Texans, Cardinals and Dolphins. I really don't consider the wins against The Rams or 49'ers as "playing and beating .500 teams", since both of those teams played without key players when we beat them. Their other 4 wins, Colts, Titans, Jaguars and Bears speak for themselves, teams you really should beat.

I guess what I am getting at is this, for the Packers to convince me that they are a top 5 team, what they do against the Lions and Vikings will tell me where the Packers really are at this point of the season. Granted, both are road games, but also teams they could likely face in the playoffs, on the road.
We need to put the Lions away. Not just to Win the Division, but like you said they are a great team. I’m aware they have players hurt. We had players hurt on the last meeting. J’aire was out and Loves lingering injury was the equivalent of losing another Starter on Offense.
Now Love is healthy and J’aire might be back(albeit not 100%). The Lions are missing players all over both phases. It’s a game we might be the Underdogs, but it’s absolutely close and I’d argue even Winnable. Watching both teams lately. I have us closer to even. Maybe 1.0 point Under because it Ford Field. Nothing scary.

All the talk is the Detroit Running game. They do have 2 very good and capable backs that compliment each other. Neither is as good as our RB1 though and he gets 75% of their combined carries.
I think our Running game is still being underestimated. We are tied with Detroit at #7 in YPC. Detroit is #4 and we’re #5 in rushing yards. We have more 20+ they have more 40+. They do have more TD’s on the ground
21-12
 
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That would be; "Tu es le sommet d'un rocher."
The epogee I believe?

I didn't take French, or really learn to speak it, but I did have family on my Dad's side, who would speak in French around me at times, so I picked up a little of it. J'ai appris un peu de français. I cheated. I used the help of a translator on the last one.
As my French teacher would say, " Que tu est betel! "
 

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I gotta say, what's really been impressive to me is just how well Campbell has turned things around but also how patient Detroit has been with him.
Same here, but I'd also add that I'm shocked by how quickly he did it and how well he stayed under the radar. 3 years ago, the Detroits were the worst team in the NFL; today I think they're the best. And nobody saw it coming.

I don't think I've ever seen a team turn around like that, so completely and so fast. They did in less than 3 years what Chicago has been trying to do for 30, and is still not one step closer than they were 30 years ago.

There've been some discussions here lately about how Chicago could change the culture of their tream from a culture of losers to a culture of winners - well, this is how. This right here. Ownership picks the right GM, gives him the tools and the time he needs, and the GM picks the right coach. And gives him the tools and the time he needs.

The coach picks the right assistants, and the GM gives those coaches the right players, and the next thing you know the team has completely turned around.

As impressive as it is to see happen, I have to say I'd rather be watching it happen in a different division. Different conference, too, for that matter. Because it looks like Detroit is going to make it really hard to get out of the North and the NFC for some years to come.

It's amazing how people don't realize what goes into game planning. On every play, the defense has a play caller, and on offense, an O-lineman, usually the center, calls the line assignments based on the defense he sees, and the QB calls options within the play, or even changes the play.

When you break down all the things the coaches and the players have to process in the short time between plays, it's almost incredible that they can navigate their team through a game at all (one step at a time) in the time they have.

From the whistle to the next snap, the offense has no more than 40 seconds (sometimes 25) to evaluate the result of the previous play, and the down and distance, and figure out what is working and what isn't... call the next play, get the right personnel package on the field and the previous play's personnel off, count to 11 and then do it again to be sure... make sure every player is up to speed on the play and their responsibilities... and in fact, this really has to be done in 15-20 seconds, to give the offense time to set properly and efficiently.

And, while all this is going on, the defense is running down a similar list, on the same general timetable.

There's a great deal of detail being attended to between every play, and very little time to do it. And what makes it even more imnpressive is that it all needs to done nearly perfectly, every time, 120-150 times a game. If a team screws up even once, it can literally mean the entire game, because the other team is ready and waiting to take full advantage of it.
 

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We need to put the Lions away. Not just to Win the Division, but like you said they are a great team.
I don't mean to be a pessimist, but in my gut I don't see us winning the division. We might be able to get second place, although the Vikings have been pretty stubborn. Now if we face the Lions in the playoffs, that's probably our best chance of overtaking them. Not saying we will, but they're not invincible either.
 
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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but in my gut I don't see us winning the division. We might be able to get second place, although the Vikings have been pretty stubborn. Now if we face the Lions in the playoffs, that's probably our best chance of overtaking them. Not saying we will, but they're not invincible either.
Well it’s tough because we’re 1-2 intra Division to start. We’d be 2-2 Lions would start 3-1 so yeah, they’d go +1 on the Tie Breaker. It’s a stretch but possible.

That said, if Detroit shows any weakness against us and they lose? The Bills would smell blood. It sure could get interesting if they lost to GB and Buffalo and the Packers Won the following week also.
 

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The Packers "can" win this game. They have to play better than they have in almost every game this year. Detroit is not going to let them score early, then sit on a small lead, like others have, and they won't let them drive down the field quite so easily, to kick a game winning FG as the clock expires. The Lions may well be the best team in the NFL at this point, and if you want to beat them, you're going to really have to be on your game.

I believe, the spread at this times is the Lions by 3-1/2.That's really a half point favorite on a neutral field, with the 3 being from having home cooking, not sleeping in a hotel room. That, small margin, in my opinion, is based on betting lines on the Packers that include a lot of sentimental betting for them to win, not the reality of the talent differences.

Even though we might be able to match up fairly well at the first level against the Lions, I think the depth they have exceeds that of the Packers. They can rotate in fresh players on defense, and not give up as much talent on the field as the Packers do. That applies both offensively, and defensively. They're just deeper.

There's another thing the Packers need to stop. The Lions are playing with momentum. They've played so well, so often, that they're playing downhill all the time, even when they're behind. They don't seem to lose sight of their goal, and eventually start to take control of games. That can't be said about the Packers. We have often needed a last second play to win games for us, and if that happens against the Lions, I'd be stunned.

All that said, and I'm still a believer in the 2024 Packers. But, if they win, it will be by the skin of their teeth, because I see the Lions needing to implode on offense at the end, to make it happen.
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This is probably the match up of the two best teams in the NFC at this point, and if it was an epic, it would be called "Battle For NFC Supremacy!"

I think we're going to find out just how good the Packers are on Thursday night. Either they're the real thing, or they're just pretenders.
 

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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but in my gut I don't see us winning the division. We might be able to get second place, although the Vikings have been pretty stubborn. Now if we face the Lions in the playoffs, that's probably our best chance of overtaking them. Not saying we will, but they're not invincible either.
With all 3 teams (Lions, Vikings, Packers) still having games against each other, anything is possible. I would say that the Vikings have the easiest remaining schedule, then the Packers and the Lions the most difficult. That said, the Packers are a game behind the Vikings and 2 behind the Lions, as well as losing to both teams in Green Bay earlier this season.

The Packers chances of winning the division are slim at best IMO. If they do, that probably means they won their last 5 games and caught a break with the Lions and Vikings each losing critical games.

The Packers can only control what they do, so for me, what is most important is going on the road and beating Detroit and then doing the same in Minnesota. That gives the Packers a huge confidence boost and emotional advantage heading into the playoffs, where odds are, they will be on the road and will have to beat either 1 or both of their divisional rivals to advance.
 

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I'm terrible at picking scores. I'll just say want I want to see. The defense doing their jobs w/out penalties. Ditto for the offense. I want to see Jacobs getting 5-10 yards a run and one of the receivers catching a long one for a TD. I can dream, can't I? :)
 

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I don't mean to be a pessimist, but in my gut I don't see us winning the division.

Not pessimistic just realistic. Odds dictate us not winning the division at this point. Odds of the Packers going 5-0 and Lions going 2-3 (or worse) aren't good.

Granted in that case if that happened Lions would potentially tumble to a 6 seed and the melt down in the Lions forums would probably be pretty glorious
 

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I see the Packers as a better indoor team than outdoor team. Now I think that Jacobs is likely to be a better outdoor runner than Aaron Jones, but that remains to be seen.

We lost at home to the Lions and Vikings last year as well early on (both were uglier losses than 2024), and then went on to win both games on the road indoors. We can win both of these road games again and start peaking as we head into the playoffs.

I am cautiously optimistic.
 

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Not pessimistic just realistic. Odds dictate us not winning the division at this point. Odds of the Packers going 5-0 and Lions going 2-3 (or worse) aren't good.
Lions still face: GB, Buffalo, Bears, 9'ers, & Vikes. Going 2-3 isn't so ludicrous as long as GB starts "the slide" tomorrow night. GB, Buffalo, & Vikes are highly motivated so I'd take that bet. ;)
 
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I believe, the spread at this times is the Lions by 3-1/2.That's really a half point favorite on a neutral field, with the 3 being from having home cooking, not sleeping in a hotel room. That, small margin, in my opinion, is based on betting lines on the Packers that include a lot of sentimental betting for them to win, not the reality of the talent differences.
Ok first, I’m not as much in disagreement, but playing Devils advocate. Last night I went back and watched the condensed version (33min). I was actually surprised. Aside from what seemed like dozens of mistakes, the Packers Offense rolled over Detroit pretty good. Particularly on the ground, Detroit really had no answer for Jacobs. Either he got 0.5
or 8 yards or busted one open. Jacobs touched the ball 15 times for
108 yards or 7.2 per touch. Had we not gotten behind? I think he goes
~28 X 6.5 for 182 yards.

I almost forgot we had an unusual number of drops. Detroit was not plagued with drops but we were and it was across the board by multiple players. It was raining and Detroit nearly muffed a Punt similar to Miami. Even Goff had some wobbly passes they thought were tipped.

We had an unusual # flags. At times it almost got ridiculous. Maybe the Refs were a little too flag happy also.

We should’ve had a TD on the first Drive
(-4 points)

Without the flag likely would’ve had a 1st down on 3rd drive and creeping inside their Redzone. It was 1st n 10 at the Det32. For myself that area in that rain it’s 4th down territory if you get 8 yards. We pulled a 2020 NFC Championship Game redo.
Pass incomplete
Pass incomplete
Pass incomplete.
Pass incomplete.
Pass incomplete.
Ok I’m being ridiculous but you get the point. Why not run there? We were creating 7+ carry!!! Mix in a pass but even 7-8 yards is MASSIVE to get a shorter FG or 1st down there. THEN Pass!
The way we flowed? it could’ve been a TD 50/50. At very least a 30-something yard FG try.
(-3 points)

Forget about the INT. Just that minor stuff above was a 10 point swing. I really think had we executed on the easy stuff better.
3 drops instead of 6
5 flags instead of 10

We see a nail biter at the end. Had we ran cleaner? Maybe a 1 score Packer lead in the 4th. Not saying Lions couldn’t steal the Win, but overall minus the discipline and drops the Packers were the better team.
 
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All that said. I’m not taking away from a Lions Win. They fought and played opportunity Defense and that’s not by mistake. Also their Offense finished off Drives and that gets credit. Detroit beat us fair n square.

Detroit played consistently. In this league you can’t be an inconsistent team and expect to beat a very good team that plays consistent good ball.

The one thing I have no idea on this game tomorrow. How much did playing on our Field in that rain swing things to our advantage? I just don’t know. The rain might’ve slowed both Offense and both Defenses. It sure seemed too good to be true we just ran up and down the field on them.

I have no idea what an indoor event will look like with Detroit.
 
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