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[Deleted member 6794]

I think you missed the context of my response. I said that Lombardi was amazing but that he (unlike Ryan) already had plenty of talented players on the roster when he came to Green Bay. They needed coaching. Vince added to the pieces in place via trade and draft.

That's true for college coaches in general. They have to be good recruiters as well.

I agree Lombardi took over a team with a lot of talented players though.

Love not moving past Boyle in a covid season means ABSOLUTELY nothing to me. If there were a game where Rodgers was inactive and Boyle started ahead of Love then you would have something to use in your argument. Since that never happened and therefore we will never know it, uh, means ABSOLUTELY nothing to me.

Covid or no covid. It matter not at all to me if Love was not suiting up. They drafted him with the expectation of sitting. So why would you suit him up unless Rodgers went down and Boyle could not win?

The Packers trusted Boyle to have a better chance of winning a game coming off the bench to replace Rodgers. That strongly indicates Boyle would have started in case of Rodgers being out for a game as well.

As mentioned repeatedly not a ringing endorsement for Love by any means.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

If sunshine thinks MVS would be the #4 wide receiver at best for MN or KC he is absolutely bias against him and should never be taken seriously again. Now for the 2018 draft.
1. JA better than I thought
2. JJ worse than I thought
3. OB worse than I thought
4. JM - OUCH
5. CM - Ouch
6. JK S- UMM
7. MVS- Makes up for Moore
8. EQSB- roster spot holder
9. JL- neh
10. HB
11. KD- never helped GB

I liked JJ where he was picked better than I liked JA where he was picked. Obviously JA is a home run and JJ is a grounder to 2nd. Jackson still has a chance to turn that grounder into one that moved the runner to third with 1 out. OB - As of now just a long fly out. He still has a chance to make that a sac fly driving in the guy Jackson got to 3rd. JM - is a strike out swinging at a ball out of the zone. CM is a called third strike. JK S- if you combine him and Bradley they are like a guy who got a 2 out walk. MVS is the guy who hit the lead off double. He can be the guy who scores after the grounder to 2nd and the deep fly ball if he keeps improving. EQSB is like a no hit good glove late inning defensive replacement who needs to do more to see more innings. JL and KD are like the bullpen and emergency catchers. If you do not count Savage who is a single with a good chance to steal 2nd than I can't even give this draft a C. Adding however you want to word it, coming out with a future #1 or using Savage by name it becomes a C+ for me.

Just saw this... Let's just look at KC. You're putting MVS ahead of which one of the following: Kelce, Hill, or Hardman? Keep in mind, MVS does one thing fairly well and that run deep... His route tree is pretty limited.

For Minnesota, is he ahead of Jefferson, Thielen, or Cook?

Cause, if you read what I wrote, I said receiving option, not receiver.

 

[tynimiller]

Just saw this... Let's just look at KC. You're putting MVS ahead of which one of the following: Kelce, Hill, or Hardman? Keep in mind, MVS does one thing fairly well and that run deep... His route tree is pretty limited.

For Minnesota, is he ahead of Jefferson, Thielen, or Cook?

Cause, if you read what I wrote, I said receiving option, not receiver.

Stay in the proper position group, Kelce is a TE. MVS is their #3 used in a very similar fashion to his use and immense value here in GB.

The Minnesota option same thing.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Stay in the proper position group, Kelce is a TE. MVS is their #3 used in a very similar fashion to his use and immense value here in GB.

The Minnesota option same thing.

Uh, I'm the one that said receiving option and mine is the opinion that was being rebutted against. You can't just insist I change my opinion...I mean, you CAN but then it just devolves the entire forum into, "No, you should think this!" on infinite repeat.

 

[tynimiller]

Uh, I'm the one that said receiving option and mine is the opinion that was being rebutted against. You can't just insist I change my opinion...I mean, you CAN but then it just devolves the entire forum into, "No, you should think this!" on infinite repeat.

I probably missed that aspect of it then. I'm too tired to read back through all our posts - although all the ones I did look back at use the term receiver (which is only in the title of wide receiver) - but also not too prideful to admit if I was wrong in that aspect of it to admit fault either. Apologies if so.

 

[Schultz]

I am not apologizing. He typed receiver, which is short for wide receiver. That is my story and I am sticking to it.

 

[tynimiller]

I am not apologizing. He typed receiver, which is short for wide receiver. That is my story and I am sticking to it.

i did read back and it one hundred percent seemed to be discussion solely on receiver position.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I am not apologizing. He typed receiver, which is short for wide receiver. That is my story and I am sticking to it.

I apologize for not being clearer, that's on me. I meant anybody that catches passes. I will endeavor to be more specific in future posts.

 

[Schultz]

All in fun.

 

[mradtke66]

The Packers trusted Boyle to have a better chance of winning a game coming off the bench to replace Rodgers. That strongly indicates Boyle would have started in case of Rodgers being out for a game as well.

Maybe, maybe not.

Coming off the bench cold and running a game plan for the other guy is a skill. Not completely falling on your face with only 2-3 snaps on install day is another.

It is entirely possible that Boyle was the no.2 in perpetuity. Rodgers is no. 1, Love no. 3. Should Rodgers be injured the week before the game, Love is no. 1.

Rodgers himself started his career this way, with Craig Nall (is that right?) starting the season as the no. 2. Yes, I believe by the end of the year, Rodgers ended up the no. 2 (I could be wrong), but not only was it not a COVID impacted season, but it was 2 CBA's ago. He had a much fuller, richer offseason to learn.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Rodgers himself started his career this way, with Craig Nall (is that right?) starting the season as the no. 2. Yes, I believe by the end of the year, Rodgers ended up the no. 2 (I could be wrong), but not only was it not a COVID impacted season, but it was 2 CBA's ago. He had a much fuller, richer offseason to learn.

As I posted in another thread some time ago Rodgers was the backup from the get-go with Nall being inactive all 16 games during the 2005 season. Here's a link to the game book for the opener as evidence.

https://nflcdns.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/28535/DET_Gamebook.pdf

 

[mradtke66]

As I posted in another thread some time ago Rodgers was the backup from the get-go with Nall being inactive all 16 games during the 2005 season.

So much for my memory.

I do stand by the practice issue though.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So much for my memory.

I do stand by the practice issue though.

Justin Herbert seemed kind of unfazed by it though.

 

[mradtke66]

Justin Herbert seemed kind of unfazed by it though.

1/4 of the first round quarterbacks thrived. And he was the 3rd one picked. Maybe Cinnci screwed up?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

1/4 of the first round quarterbacks thrived. And he was the 3rd one picked. Maybe Cinnci screwed up?

I just like to bring up Herbert's name as there were some posters mentioning they had Love ranked above him leading up to the draft last year.

 

[mradtke66]

I just like to bring up Herbert's name as there were some posters mentioning they had Love ranked above him leading up to the draft last year.

Ha. I have long ago given up trying to guess or rank college players before the draft.

I honestly forgot who drafted Herbert and had to look it up.

 

[Mondio]

I didn't think Herbert would do very well I'll be submitting my application to be a collegiate scout for Da Bears, Vikings, and Lions later today.

 

[Schultz]

Burrows had a good year all things considered.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I didn't think Herbert would do very well I'll be submitting my application to be a collegiate scout for Da Bears, Vikings, and Lions later today.

Herbert was a surprise and certainly the most pro-ready of last year's QB rookie class. And he's only going to get better.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Burrows had a good year all things considered.

Burrows did play well and the injury was unfortunate. Hindsight is 20/20 but if I were picking last year, I'd have taken Herbert first. Time will tell. And something tells me that Trey Lance will prove to be the best QB in this last draft. Just a hunch.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Herbert was a surprise and certainly the most pro-ready of last year's QB rookie class.

There were some posters disagreeing with that take, considering Love the better prospect.

 

[gopkrs]

There were some posters disagreeing with that take, considering Love the better prospect.

I don't even pretend to know about college prospects. Sometimes there is a guy I would like to get based on his college career and the position he plays. But mostly I like to see them in pre-season games and then decide if I think they will be good. Not only based on performance but also on what I consider potential. I guess there will be less of that and then even less later.

 

[Heyjoe4]

There were some posters disagreeing with that take, considering Love the better prospect.

Really? I missed those comments. But ask most fans if they'd rather have Herbert or Love as the next QB in GB and I think Herbert wins by a landslide.

This isn't totally fair because Herbert has one season under his belt and Love hasn't taken a snap. I hope I'm wrong and Love excels.

 

[rmontro]

There were some posters disagreeing with that take, considering Love the better prospect.

Back when Favre had his falling out with the team, there were people who were saying Rodgers was better than Favre. Not many, but some. The only thing that bugs me is right now I don't hear anyone saying Love is better than Rodgers.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But ask most fans if they'd rather have Herbert or Love as the next QB in GB and I think Herbert wins by a landslide.

Of course, that isn't a surprise after the way Herbert performed during his rookie campaign.