Packers and Aaron Rodgers agree on 3 yr 150 mill

[rmontro]

So when Gute saw a potential future QB drop to him in 2020 and he felt now was the time to try and repeat organizational history, I have to think he was thinking exactly what Wolf and TT were thinking "Crap, I hope I am right, but I really love this guy!"

That did appear to be the thinking. But it also appears Gute doesn't have the same nose for can't miss quarterbacks that Wolf and TT had.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That did appear to be the thinking. But it also appears Gute doesn't have the same nose for can't miss quarterbacks that Wolf and TT had.

I don't think we know that quite yet with Love. He did strike out on Kizer, but he only lost Damarious Randall in that deal.

Wolf seemed to be the QB whisperer. He was respo sible for Favre, Ty Detmer (1992 ninth round), Mark Brunell (’93 fifth round), Matt Hasselbeck (’98 sixth round) and Aaron Brooks (’99 fourth round), all of whom became starters for other teams.

TT had Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn, but he also had Ingle Martin (5th rd.), Brian Brohm (2nd), BJ Coleman (7th), and Brett Hundly (5th).

 

[longtimefan]

I'm going to go on record as agreeing, and disagreeing, with the justifications for drafting Love. My reasons are simple enough, and we sometimes miss the whole story. It's easy to see how it happens.

For openers, it's very true that Rodgers had two "down years" at QB, prior to taking Love. That was a signal to Gutekunst, and LeFleur, that Rodgers may have been nearing the end of the road. BUT, as is often overlooked by all of us, without realizing it is that the observations of LeFleur. Let's look at Rodgers injury history.

Injury History​

Date	League	Injury	Details
Nov 19, 2006	NFL	Pedal Foot Fracture	Rodgers was placed on IR after suffering a foot fracture.
Oct 10, 2010	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Rodgers didn't miss a game following his Week 5 concussion.
Dec 12, 2010	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Rodgers missed 1 game with his 2nd concussion of 2010.
Nov 4, 2013	NFL	Shoulder Clavicle Fracture	Rodgers' injury forced him to miss the next 7 games.
Dec 21, 2014	NFL	Leg Calf Tear	Rodgers reportedly had a "slight" tear in his calf.
Dec 11, 2016	NFL	Leg Calf Strain	Rodgers' injury wasn't considered serious.
Oct 15, 2017	NFL	Shoulder Clavicle Fracture	Rodgers returned for 1 game before sitting out the final 2 weeks.
Dec 30, 2018	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Rodgers departed in the 2nd quarter and never returned.
Sep 9, 2018	NFL	Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2	Rodgers was carted off but later returned vs. Chicago. He dealt with a sprain and a bone bruise for most of the season.
Nov 13, 2021	NFL	Pedal Toe Fracture	Rodgers fractured his pinky toe during the ramp-up exercise period as he worked toward gaining medical clearance to play in the Packers' Week 10 game vs. Seattle. The injury continued to linger throughout the season

LeFleur became head coach in 2019. Prior to his arrival, in 2017, Rodgers had his 2nd clavicle fracture, and worked to come back. Of course his whole passing rhythm was thrown off because of how he had to deal with the injury. Then, in 2018, he suffered the MCL sprain and a bone bruise which he played through. Not only was he dealing with trying to regain his fluidity in throwing the ball from the clavicle situation, but now it was being compounded by a knee injury that also effected his play.

Now, weigh this is LeFleur, and Gute's minds. In both 2017 and 2018, Rodgers suffered injuries that were serious enough to effect his game, and there was absolutely nothing for them to look at from a coaching perspective that said he was about to return to form. In their minds, the frightening fact is that it appeared Rodgers days were done. In 2019, LeFleur's first year, Rodgers didn't look like the pre-injury Rodgers. It looked like his game had slipped. The problem is, and I said it repeatedly, even prior to 2019, Rodgers' game was going to slip because of the type of injuries he suffered. It would take time for him to get all facets of his passing game back on track. In fact, I figured 2019 would be pretty much lost to that recovery, and that's exactly how it played out.

LeFleur, and Gute didn't see it that way, and from their perspective saw a situation where they needed to find someone to replace Rodgers because the day was not that far off where they'd need to let him go, or he'd walk away from the game. In fact, Rodgers was talking a little bit out whether or not he wanted to continue until he was 40, and hinting that might not be the case one day, and saying he wanted to play forever the next. They made the decision to cover their rears, by finding the best replacement they could, as quickly as possible, and to let Rodgers fade away. I can't fault them for that, and I can't fault them for moving up to pick Love, if they honestly believed Love had the tools to do the job in the LeFleur offense.

Of course Rodgers saw it as them booting him out the door when he wasn't ready. He'd fought through injuries, and was preparing for the next season. I think - in the back of his mind - they were ignoring the fact that he played through the injuries the best he could, and blamed a lack of success on him. With his fragile ego, guess what? He got mad.

The last two seasons are a result of them making that pick, and his dedication to prove them wrong. He's worked as hard, if not harder, without any of us seeing it outwardly, to be even better than he'd been prior to the injuries. In fact, I think the drafting of Love acted as a real motivator, because he was not about to let anyone tell him when it was time to leave, he'd be making that decision on his own. But, because they did act like it was their intent, he decided to punish the organization if he succeeded in coming back.

The two MVP awards are a direct result of his anger/resentment towards management, and to offset his anger, it was going to take more money than anyone had ever been paid for 3 years of football, and possibly only two.

So, yes. I see why they drafted Love under those circumstances. At the same time, based on my personal involvement in football, I saw that the only thing lacking in Rodgers game was the field time that would help him rebuild his rhythm for the game. He would be back.

Nobody is wrong. Attacking either side doesn't make any sense. It all happened because both sides saw the issue differently, and for the right reasons, based on their perceptions.

So, cheers to all of yoU

You are correct. But others will never agree with that

BTW..he had a bad knee in 2017? Hurt during rams game? At home? Played rest of year then had knee cleaned up in offseason

Edit

2015 vs chargers

I had a contact whose brother was a business partner with Rodgers for a while.

I know it wasnt reported to much but he did have a scope in 2016

It affected him the rest of the Year.. He was on mvp level until that charger game

i even commented on it at that time

 

[OldSchool101]

But right now you justify the move because of it as there's nothing else to support it.

Yes there is. Back to back MVP awards is pretty substantial. He’s become a serial MVP player since the Love selection. While those things are sometimes called circumstantial, even circumstantial evidence is used routinely in arguments can change an ultimate ruling. 2 Consecutive MVP’s is very convicting evidence all by its lonesome.
I’d ask the jury (that’s you whoever is reading this) to go back right now and review the stats and circumstances for Aaron Rodgers for the seasons leading up to the 2020 draft. Then compare that with his QB performance in 2020-2021. It’s obvious Rodgers rebounded very strong, uncharacteristically strong for an aging player would be more accurate

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Checkout the latest stats for Aaron Rodgers. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

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Ladies and Gentleman, distinguished Packer supporters and practically expert fans. I trust you as a group…
Does it appear that 2020 was uncharacteristically great for QB stats (not accounting for “team” play but pure QB effectiveness) after looking at the previous seasons leading up to it?

The point being that at the time of the 2020 draft it was pretty obvious that Love will not receiving enough meaningful snaps to fairly evaluate him over the course of his rookie contract.

I don’t believe the staff saw it how you do from a pre 2020 perspective. Many Mocks had QB as a need for the first time in a decade. If I recall some even listed Love as a candidate, which was pretty intuitive.
I think they saw a possible declining player with an attitude.

Could we please stop acting as if Love found out on Sunday morning that he would start against KC??? He received all reps with the first team offense in practice leading up to that game.

That’s immaterial. You’re using 1 start to dictate a persons career by arbitrarily reaching for 1 player comparison out of hundreds. Give us more examples. A good experiment always has 3. List 2 more please.

I don't want the Packers to make a move for Huntley but he should serve as evidence that it's possible for a backup quarterback who has been in the league since 2020 to look much better than Love has so far despite not having losing an entire offseason because of COVID etc.

So far? After 1 start? Hmmm
Now that’s pretty petty

I’ll tell you what. You’re absolutely right. Huntley is better in 1/2 season than Love after 1 start. As you said, anything is possible.
Now what? Who should we replace Love with in this draft? Or period.
If you are adverse to Huntley or afraid. We can complain all day long but it’s not fixing what happened 3 seasons ago.
Who exactly are you switching out for our #2 to back Aaron or replace him. Give a specific example.
Certainly you are not implying you would’ve selected Huntley in 2020 are you?

 

[longtimefan]

Yes there is. Back to back MVP awards is pretty substantial. He’s become a serial MVP player since the Love selection. While those things are sometimes called circumstantial, even circumstantial evidence is used routinely in arguments can change an ultimate ruling. 2 Consecutive MVP’s is very convicting evidence all by its lonesome.
I’d ask the jury (that’s you whoever is reading this) to go back right now and review the stats and circumstances for Aaron Rodgers for the seasons leading up to the 2020 draft. Then compare that with his QB performance in 2020-2021. It’s obvious Rodgers rebounded very strong, uncharacteristically strong for an aging player would be more accurate

Aaron Rodgers Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Aaron Rodgers. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Ladies and Gentleman, distinguished Packer supporters and practically expert fans. I trust you as a group…
Does it appear that 2020 was uncharacteristically great for QB stats (not accounting for “team” play but pure QB effectiveness) after looking at the previous seasons leading up to it?


I don’t believe the staff saw it how you do from a pre 2020 perspective. Many Mocks had QB as a need for the first time in a decade. If I recall some even listed Love as a candidate, which was pretty intuitive.
I think they saw a possible declining player with an attitude.

That’s immaterial. You’re using 1 start to dictate a persons career by arbitrarily reaching for 1 player comparison out of hundreds. Give us more examples. A good experiment always has 3. List 2 more please.

So far? After 1 start? Hmmm
Now that’s pretty petty

I’ll tell you what. You’re absolutely right. Huntley is better in 1/2 season than Love after 1 start. As you said, anything is possible.
Now what? Who should we replace Love with in this draft? Or period.
If you are adverse to Huntley or afraid. We can complain all day long but it’s not fixing what happened 3 seasons ago.
Who exactly are you switching out for our #2 to back Aaron or replace him. Give a specific example.
Certainly you are not implying you would’ve selected Huntley in 2020 are you?

Problem is Rodgers fans will never admit, that by Rodgers standards, he had two "declining years" it was no #2 or 3 or 4 at option

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Seriously Capp, your continued hindsight approach on this isn't like you. Normally, you are pretty rational on things like this. One post you acknowledge that Love hasn't played enough to be fairly evaluated, the next post you are saying that you hope he turns out to be really good, but it won't happen in Green Bay and then you post that he shouldn't have been drafted and nothing justified the pick.

It's really not that difficult to understand. There's a timeline you need to consider to do it.

I didn't like the Packers selecting Love at the point of the 2020 draft and still think it was a terrible idea. But as soon as he was on the Packers I started rooting for him to succeed.

Fast forward to the presence and it's pretty obvious that Love hasn't played enough to be fairly evalacuted (which come as no surprise as that was to be expected with Rodgers around).

While I still want him to develop into the next HOFer for the Packers it seems that Rodgers will be the team's QB for the foreseeable future after signing an extension this offseason, which will most likely result in Love leaving after the 2023 season at the latest.

If it ends up that way there's no reason to justify the pick. In addition I'm not using hindsight at all as I predicted it to play out that way at the time the Packers drafted Love.

Again, you may have been like me in 2020 and thought it was too early to take a QB in round 1 of the draft, but there were plenty of reasons to make it a justifiable pick back in April of 2020.

In my opinion there wasn't a single reason to justify selecting a quarterback in the first round in 2020.

You keep trying to prove your point that it wasn't justified by using what has happened in the last 2 years as some sort of damning evidence that he never should have been selected. Nobody disagrees with you that as of today, Love hasn't shown anything to have made him a great pick. Also, as you acknowledged, he really hasn't had a legit change to do so either.

Once again you wrongly assume that I'm using hindsight to disagree with the selection of Love when in fact I predicted the situation will play out exactly as it did at the time of the 2020 draft.

I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is that the Raiders had no justification to pick Henry Ruggs?

That's a ridiculous comparison and you know it.

The other factor here that so many are losing sight of, QB's are unlike any other position, unless you are Taysom Hill. A QB doesn't get on the field to prove himself or develop, during real NFL games, unless they are thrust immediately into the starting role or QB #1 isn't that good, gets hurt, retires or is traded.

Exactly, that's why there's no reason to spend a first rounder on a quarterback when it's probable he won't receive any significant playing time for all of his rookie contract.

For openers, it's very true that Rodgers had two "down years" at QB, prior to taking Love. That was a signal to Gutekunst, and LeFleur, that Rodgers may have been nearing the end of the road. BUT, as is often overlooked by all of us, without realizing it is that the observations of LeFleur. Let's look at Rodgers injury history.

Injury History​

Date	League	Injury	Details
Nov 19, 2006	NFL	Pedal Foot Fracture	Rodgers was placed on IR after suffering a foot fracture.
Oct 10, 2010	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Rodgers didn't miss a game following his Week 5 concussion.
Dec 12, 2010	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Rodgers missed 1 game with his 2nd concussion of 2010.
Nov 4, 2013	NFL	Shoulder Clavicle Fracture	Rodgers' injury forced him to miss the next 7 games.
Dec 21, 2014	NFL	Leg Calf Tear	Rodgers reportedly had a "slight" tear in his calf.
Dec 11, 2016	NFL	Leg Calf Strain	Rodgers' injury wasn't considered serious.
Oct 15, 2017	NFL	Shoulder Clavicle Fracture	Rodgers returned for 1 game before sitting out the final 2 weeks.
Dec 30, 2018	NFL	Head Cranial Concussion Grade 1	Rodgers departed in the 2nd quarter and never returned.
Sep 9, 2018	NFL	Knee MCL Sprain Grade 2	Rodgers was carted off but later returned vs. Chicago. He dealt with a sprain and a bone bruise for most of the season.
Nov 13, 2021	NFL	Pedal Toe Fracture	Rodgers fractured his pinky toe during the ramp-up exercise period as he worked toward gaining medical clearance to play in the Packers' Week 10 game vs. Seattle. The injury continued to linger throughout the season

LeFleur became head coach in 2019. Prior to his arrival, in 2017, Rodgers had his 2nd clavicle fracture, and worked to come back. Of course his whole passing rhythm was thrown off because of how he had to deal with the injury. Then, in 2018, he suffered the MCL sprain and a bone bruise which he played through. Not only was he dealing with trying to regain his fluidity in throwing the ball from the clavicle situation, but now it was being compounded by a knee injury that also effected his play.

Now, weigh this is LeFleur, and Gute's minds. In both 2017 and 2018, Rodgers suffered injuries that were serious enough to effect his game, and there was absolutely nothing for them to look at from a coaching perspective that said he was about to return to form. In their minds, the frightening fact is that it appeared Rodgers days were done. In 2019, LeFleur's first year, Rodgers didn't look like the pre-injury Rodgers. It looked like his game had slipped. The problem is, and I said it repeatedly, even prior to 2019, Rodgers' game was going to slip because of the type of injuries he suffered. It would take time for him to get all facets of his passing game back on track. In fact, I figured 2019 would be pretty much lost to that recovery, and that's exactly how it played out.

LeFleur, and Gute didn't see it that way, and from their perspective saw a situation where they needed to find someone to replace Rodgers because the day was not that far off where they'd need to let him go, or he'd walk away from the game. In fact, Rodgers was talking a little bit out whether or not he wanted to continue until he was 40, and hinting that might not be the case one day, and saying he wanted to play forever the next. They made the decision to cover their rears, by finding the best replacement they could, as quickly as possible, and to let Rodgers fade away. I can't fault them for that, and I can't fault them for moving up to pick Love, if they honestly believed Love had the tools to do the job in the LeFleur offense.

Of course Rodgers saw it as them booting him out the door when he wasn't ready. He'd fought through injuries, and was preparing for the next season. I think - in the back of his mind - they were ignoring the fact that he played through the injuries the best he could, and blamed a lack of success on him. With his fragile ego, guess what? He got mad.

The last two seasons are a result of them making that pick, and his dedication to prove them wrong. He's worked as hard, if not harder, without any of us seeing it outwardly, to be even better than he'd been prior to the injuries. In fact, I think the drafting of Love acted as a real motivator, because he was not about to let anyone tell him when it was time to leave, he'd be making that decision on his own. But, because they did act like it was their intent, he decided to punish the organization if he succeeded in coming back.

The two MVP awards are a direct result of his anger/resentment towards management, and to offset his anger, it was going to take more money than anyone had ever been paid for 3 years of football, and possibly only two.

So, yes. I see why they drafted Love under those circumstances. At the same time, based on my personal involvement in football, I saw that the only thing lacking in Rodgers game was the field time that would help him rebuild his rhythm for the game. He would be back.

Nobody is wrong. Attacking either side doesn't make any sense. It all happened because both sides saw the issue differently, and for the right reasons, based on their perceptions.

So, cheers to all of you!

While it's true Rodgers had some down years based on his standards before the 2020 draft fans need to realize that he still threw for 67 touchdowns and only 12 interceptions (with three of them coming in the Panthers game in 2017 with him trying to save the season coming back from his shoulder injury early).

It's obvious that Gutekunst made a mistake thinking he was regressing.

As I've mentioned earlier I believe fans try to justify Love's selection by making up that it had anything to do with Rodgers performing at an MVP level the past tso seasons while in my opinion that's utter BS.

I appreciate that Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson saw the value in obtaining both of those QB's before they were needed, as well as before they proved themselves to even be capable NFL QB's. 2 swings and 2 Grand slams! So when Gute saw a potential future QB drop to him in 2020 and he felt now was the time to try and repeat organizational history, I have to think he was thinking exactly what Wolf and TT were thinking "Crap, I hope I am right, but I really love this guy!"

I truly believe that Gutekunst tried to force the issue because of the success Wolf and Thompson had with it.

Yes there is. Back to back MVP awards is pretty substantial. He’s become a serial MVP player since the Love selection. While those things are sometimes called circumstantial, even circumstantial evidence is used routinely in arguments can change an ultimate ruling. 2 Consecutive MVP’s is very convicting evidence all by its lonesome.

Love had nothing to do with Rodgers winning those two MVP awards though. Him becoming comfortable in MLF's system in the second season and mostly staying healthy are the main reasons for it.

I don’t believe the staff saw it how you do from a pre 2020 perspective. Many Mocks had QB as a need for the first time in a decade.

I would like to provide at least some links to those mocks.

That’s immaterial. You’re using 1 start to dictate a persons career by arbitrarily reaching for 1 player comparison out of hundreds. Give us more examples. A good experiment always has 3. List 2 more please.

You just don't understand it. I have been pretty outspoken about it being way too early to fairly evaluate Love.

Actually this isn't even about him. I didn't want the Packers to select any quarterback in the first round of the 2020 draft as it was probable from the get-go that he won't receive any meaningful playing time for all of his rookie contract.

Most likely, Love will move on to another team after the 2023 season before we will be able to fairly evaluate him as an NFL player. That won't change anything about him being a wasted pick for the Packers though.

 

[Schultz]

I hated the Love pick. I really disliked the Dillon pick. I was not happy with the Deguara pick.
I am still unhappy about the Deguara pick. I really like the Dillon pick. I have come to understand the Love pick but still hate it. One other thing in Gute's defense. AR did not fully buy into the MLF system that 1st year. I would think he ran the pick past MLF and that may of had something to do with MLF being okay with it. The uncertainty of, if the complicated fellow was ever going to change. I give a tiny % to the Love pick motivated him theory, but I give a much higher % to the fact that he started to trust MLF much more in years 2& 3.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I hated the Love pick. I really disliked the Dillon pick. I was not happy with the Deguara pick.
I am still unhappy about the Deguara pick. I really like the Dillon pick. I have come to understand the Love pick but still hate it. One other thing in Gute's defense. AR did not fully buy into the MLF system that 1st year. I would think he ran the pick past MLF and that may of had something to do with MLF being okay with it. The uncertainty of, if the complicated fellow was ever going to change. I give a tiny % to the Love pick motivated him theory, but I give a much higher % to the fact that he started to trust MLF much more in years 2& 3.

I'm on about the same page and I would add Gary to list of picks that I shook my head about.

I understood the logic behind the picks you listed and Gary, but it didn't meet my logic, so I didn't like them. However, once I read up and listened to comments by Gute and MLF, they made more sense. What do I know, I am just a fan that reads a lot, watches and chats about the Packers. However, I am not at practices, I don't break down film, I don't chat with these players, never have I talked to the scouts, team doctors, etc. Basically, I am not a GM or coach. So as much as I may hate a pick and disagree with it, ultimately I know that the Packer front office had their reasons. If a pick I disagreed with doesn't work out, I might say "hah, I didn't like the pick to begin with", but I will never say "Man, I knew it, Gute is an idiot, he really blew that pick."

As far as these 2 notions of "Did the Love pick motivate Rodgers to greater heights" and/or "Did the Love pick **** Rodgers off so much, he was ready to retire or force a trade?" I don't think anyone really knows the answers to those 2 questions, except Rodgers himself and even he might not fully know. I guess we will have to wait for his autobiography entitled "R*E*L*A*X, I'm Immunized", to try and add more to his story.

 

[sschind]

I'm on about the same page and I would add Gary to list of picks that I shook my head about.

I understood the logic behind the picks you listed and Gary, but it didn't meet my logic, so I didn't like them. However, once I read up and listened to comments by Gute and MLF, they made more sense. What do I know, I am just a fan that reads a lot, watches and chats about the Packers. However, I am not at practices, I don't break down film, I don't chat with these players, never have I talked to the scouts, team doctors, etc. Basically, I am not a GM or coach. So as much as I may hate a pick and disagree with it, ultimately I know that the Packer front office had their reasons. If a pick I disagreed with doesn't work out, I might say "hah, I didn't like the pick to begin with", but I will never say "Man, I knew it, Gute is an idiot, he really blew that pick."

As far as these 2 notions of "Did the Love pick motivate Rodgers to greater heights" and/or "Did the Love pick **** Rodgers off so much, he was ready to retire or force a trade?" I don't think anyone really knows the answers to those 2 questions, except Rodgers himself and even he might not fully know. I guess we will have to wait for his autobiography entitled "R*E*L*A*X, I'm Immunized", to try and add more to his story.

but you at least look at the birthday party guest list right?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

but you at least look at the birthday party guest list right?

Of course, after all, I'm the one typing them up.

 

[OldSchool101]

Actually this isn't even about him. I didn't want the Packers to select any quarterback in the first round of the 2020 draft

That’s what this is all about and we all are biased about protecting our opinions, that’s natural. Yet man’s pride can create some bias in our evaluation. Thank You for being transparent that’s fair. Just say you don’t like him, I’m ok with that. You don’t need to try to embellish or prematurely contort the reality of our QB’s situation. It’s totally unknown, even those on the inside will tell you that.

On a other note. It swear it seems funny that whenever we get a nice heated debate, I’ll often see an article on that exact topic.
So keep it up someone’s watching us! I wouldn’t doubt that we dont have a spy as a guest user, peeking in for material. In all seriousness, this is a good article from today on the topic of our QB situation and debate from the mouth of those on the inside.

Packers’ Mark Murphy talks Aaron Rodgers contract, Jordan Love growth - Sports Illustrated

The Green Bay executive gave his thoughts on the starting quarterback’s new contract and the overall state of the quarterback room.

www.si.com

PS. I hunted for that Mock I saw us Taking Love but it became too time consuming. I did see one but there’s so many different ones I gave up after seeing they update them every dang week. You’ll have to take my word.
I know how much you trust me.

 

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[rmontro]

Ladies and Gentleman, distinguished Packer supporters and practically expert fans. I trust you as a group…
Does it appear that 2020 was uncharacteristically great for QB stats (not accounting for “team” play but pure QB effectiveness) after looking at the previous seasons leading up to it?

IIRC, my concerns at the time were that Rodgers might not remain healthy as he aged and his injuries over his career mounted up. But I wasn't so worried about it that I was happy about the Love pick.

That said, I wish him all success, especially as long as he's on our team. We've seen other teams play quite well with their backup quarterback (especially against us lol).

 

[Deleted member 6794]

AR did not fully buy into the MLF system that 1st year. I give a tiny % to the Love pick motivated him theory, but I give a much higher % to the fact that he started to trust MLF much more in years 2& 3.

I'm not sure Rodgers didn't buy into MLF's system in year 1 but struggled because of a lack of familiarity with it.

Just say you don’t like him, I’m ok with that. You don’t need to try to embellish or prematurely contort the reality of our QB’s situation. It’s totally unknown, even those on the inside will tell you that.

It seems you didn't read my previous post. My dislike for the Packers drafting Love in the 2020 draft has nothing to do with him as a player but that I didn't feel the need to select a quarterback that high.

Rodgers' performance the last two seasons has worked as evidence for that to be true.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers' performance the last two seasons has worked as evidence for that to be true.

Post pick, so far, you are correct. Had he been badly injured, decided to retire or force a trade, Gute would have been correct, to have started the process of finding his replacement early.

Your 2020 outlook on the future of Rodgers, is correct so far, but at some point you really should acknowledge the fact that it might not of. Rodgers contemplating retirement twice in a 10 month span, should at least make you think about it.

 

[Voyageur]

I think the perspectives of Gutey and LeFleur are completely different. LeFleur sees the what and now, while Gutey is intent as much on the tomorrows, if not more, than the today reality. Even if they agree on some issues, or many, their views of Rodgers can be completely different, just like Rodgers' view of those two can vary.

I think Rodgers bought into the MLF system, but wanted to salvage parts of the old system, that worked for him, and the team, in the past. It's very difficult trying to get changes in place. That's called human nature.

 

[kevans74]

.....or Rodgers bought into MLF's scheme all along, which is a VERY good scheme btw which I have raved about on other posts, but it takes a while/some time to learn it....

This is why I think for ANY wide receivers we bring in, whether rookie or vet, to be SMART and able to LEARN the scheme.

This isn't like Madden, where you can basically just "plug someone in" based off their skill sets

 

[Voyageur]

.....or Rodgers bought into MLF's scheme all along, which is a VERY good scheme btw which I have raved about on other posts, but it takes a while/some time to learn it....

This is why I think for ANY wide receivers we bring in, whether rookie or vet, to be SMART and able to LEARN the scheme.

This isn't like Madden, where you can basically just "plug someone in" based off their skill sets

It is complicated, based on the number of reads each position on the team needs to make, based on how the defense lines up. Add in changes made at the line of scrimmage by the QB. Then there's the reads, mid play, which can change routes.

You have to throw out all the options with a newbie in the line up, to accommodate them unaware of the nuances of the plays. They are good schemes, no doubt about it.

 

[kevans74]

It is complicated, based on the number of reads each position on the team needs to make, based on how the defense lines up. Add in changes made at the line of scrimmage by the QB. Then there's the reads, mid play, which can change routes.

You have to throw out all the options with a newbie in the line up, to accommodate them unaware of the nuances of the plays. They are good schemes, no doubt about it.

Ok

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

.....or Rodgers bought into MLF's scheme all along, which is a VERY good scheme btw which I have raved about on other posts, but it takes a while/some time to learn it....

This is why I think for ANY wide receivers we bring in, whether rookie or vet, to be SMART and able to LEARN the scheme.

This isn't like Madden, where you can basically just "plug someone in" based off their skill sets

This is why I feel they do need to bring in a FA starting caliber WR to pair of with Lazard and Cobb. We have all watched Packer WR's struggle in the first year or 2. During Rodgers career, that has ranged from 2nd rounders to UDFA's. Even if the Packers use their 2 first round picks on WR's, I don't really foresee them as being major contributors in year 1. I also think that is putting a ton of pressure on both the rookie and the offense to put them in from day 1 as a starter. However, we may have no choice.

There isn't a ton of date regarding FA WR's and Rodgers. Cobb has been the only starting caliber WR the Packers signed and played, I don't count Funchess, since he never played. Cobb had already had a lot of years with Rodgers, so not a good gauge. FA TE's we have seen take awhile to get up to speed with Rodgers, but not as long as rookies have.

The sooner Gute can sign that FA WR, the sooner he can learn the offense and eventually, start working with Rodgers.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It is complicated, based on the number of reads each position on the team needs to make, based on how the defense lines up. Add in changes made at the line of scrimmage by the QB. Then there's the reads, mid play, which can change routes.

You have to throw out all the options with a newbie in the line up, to accommodate them unaware of the nuances of the plays. They are good schemes, no doubt about it.

I have a feeling that a good coach (which MLF is) will have a way to simplify things for a rookie. An offensive scheme (a good one anyway) fits the personnel, it doesn’t demand the improbable from the players.

 

[Voyageur]

I have a feeling that a good coach (which MLF is) will have a way to simplify things for a rookie. An offensive scheme (a good one anyway) fits the personnel, it doesn’t demand the improbable from the players.

Exactly the point. You have to take a lot of the options out of plays for them. Keep it basic. As they grow to know each other, you can add the nuances that makes plays special.

That's one of the main reasons so few rookies actually make a huge impact as WRs. The options on each pass can be very perplexing until you understand the reads and reasons for what you're supposed to do. Most times, the pass is already thrown before the move is made.

 

[OldSchool101]

Exactly the point. You have to take a lot of the options out of plays for them. Keep it basic. As they grow to know each other, you can add the nuances that makes plays special.

That's one of the main reasons so few rookies actually make a huge impact as WRs. The options on each pass can be very perplexing until you understand the reads and reasons for what you're supposed to do. Most times, the pass is already thrown before the move is made.

First of all I agree with several discussion points on nuances of a learning curve.
That said. If a good quality fan understands that, then I believe the personnel and coaching departments are not only fully aware of that, they are preparing for that.

There are several things the Packers can do to feed into that this season. One would be to bring on a more polished WR who works in a similar system. Another would be to initially start said Receiver in condensed play packages until they adapt. Another would be to elevate the reps that player gets with the 1st team in practice. These are just a few off the top of my head etc..

I know we are quick to excuse early WR production out if some fear they can’t produce, yet we have to consider that sometimes we look at a blanket or global approach of success from historical comparison evidence, which on the face appears like new players are just not talented enough or smart enough or slow learners. Yet we don’t always consider that many teams brought players (WR’s included) on board with known injuries or even without any clear intention of relying on the receiver early on (their plan was med-long term production ramping).
I would argue that there can be adjustments made to select the correct player fit, not just on physical attributes, but play mechanics and better IQ and others. When you select a top 22-28 selection that gives us those options and that isn’t a luxury we’ve had very often. You begin to lose that advantage readily once the top 5-7 WR are gone and….
the Pickens are thin (pun intended!)

I won’t even get into an important factor in all of this. Imo. We have an above average GM mixed with a generational talented veteran QB. Then the Trifecta is one of the best O minds in decades. I’m going to go on a limb. I think we get surprised on this one IF we consult with #12 abs get his input. Then attack at least 1 WR from Day 1 AND 2. I’m feeling confident in this draft we can get early and marked contributions. It might even involve TE
If I’m wrong so be it. I can always fall back and say I’m just a stupid fan what the heck do I know?

 

[Voyageur]

First of all I agree with several discussion points on nuances of a learning curve.
That said. If a good quality fan understands that, then I believe the personnel and coaching departments are not only fully aware of that, they are preparing for that.

There are several things the Packers can do to feed into that this season. One would be to bring on a more polished WR who works in a similar system. Another would be to initially start said Receiver in condensed play packages until they adapt. Another would be to elevate the reps that player gets with the 1st team in practice. These are just a few off the top of my head etc..

We gave to understand that sometimes we look at a blanket or global approach of success from historical comparison evidence, which on the face appears like new players are just not talented enough or smart enough or slow learners. Yet we don’t always consider that many teams brought players (WR’s included) on board with known injuries or even without any clear intention of relying on the receiver early on (their plan was med-long term production ramping).
I would argue that there can be adjustments made to select the correct player fit, not just on physical attributes, but play mechanics and better IQ and others. When you select a top 22-28 selection that gives us those options and that isn’t a luxury we’ve had very often. You begin to lose that advantage readily once the top 5-7 WR are gone and….
the Pickens are thin (pun intended!)

A lot of people don't believe Pickens is going to be a great WR. But, that's opinion. He's big enough and quick enough. In fact, he might be the perfect pick. What's he got as far as toughness? What has he got between the ears? How hard would he work to be part of the process? I can't answer any of those questions. None of us really can. But, I still harbor some beliefs that Pickens could be a solid WR in the league. I just don't know.

Yes, there are some guys more ready to be plugged in and used effectively. The problem is, who are they, and how can you be certain you're going to find one in the draft, or free agency? It's all a matter of hoping you make the right choice.

I noticed that even though there was a history between Rodgers and Cobb, it didn't show up last year because Cobb didn't totally understand what was expected of him in the MLF offense. This year? Maybe. I don't know.

It is what it is. No matter what we say, and think, and no matter what the Packers do, and think, we won't know squat until they take the field, and we see what they've got out there, as a team.

 

[Schultz]

Exactly the point. You have to take a lot of the options out of plays for them. Keep it basic. As they grow to know each other, you can add the nuances that makes plays special.

That's one of the main reasons so few rookies actually make a huge impact as WRs. The options on each pass can be very perplexing until you understand the reads and reasons for what you're supposed to do. Most times, the pass is already thrown before the move is made.

To quote a few others on here. If they are going to dummy down the pass plays "why did they re-sign AR for all of that money?"