Packers and Aaron Rodgers agree on 3 yr 150 mill

[Pokerbrat2000]

To quote a few others on here. If they are going to dummy down the pass plays "why did they re-sign AR for all of that money?"

I don't think they will have much choice but to do that. Even if Cobb and Lazard start, at best you have Amari Rodgers, a second year player, being the 3rd most familiar with the playbook and Rodgers. I do think a vet WR is going to be able to pick up the playbook, as well as establish chemistry with Rodgers quicker.

Rodgers won't have the luxury of being able to call a lot of audibles, his #1 guy is gone and that may end up being tough for him, but maybe a good thing too.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I don't think they will have much choice but to do that. Even if Cobb and Lazard start, at best you have Amari Rodgers, a second year player, being the 3rd most familiar with the playbook and Rodgers. I do think a vet WR is going to be able to pick up the playbook, as well as establish chemistry with Rodgers quicker.

Rodgers won't have the luxury of being able to call a lot of audibles, his #1 guy is gone and that may end up being tough for him, but maybe a good thing too.

Yeah I think in the long run it will be better to have 2 or 3 reliable WR targets along with the current group. Problem is time isn't on GB's side. It's just not possible, or at least very hard, to make up for Adams' production in one year.

I'm sure Gluten will pick up 2 or 3 very highly rated WRs in the draft. Ideally one of them catches fire. I also expect Jones and Dillon to catch a lot more passes this year. And then there's that mystery veteran WR that he'll acquire, somehow. Stay tuned!

 

[rmontro]

Post pick, so far, you are correct. Had he been badly injured, decided to retire or force a trade, Gute would have been correct, to have started the process of finding his replacement early.

Perhaps, perhaps not. For him to be correct, Love has to become a starting quality quarterback, and that remains to be seen, if we ever see it.

.....or Rodgers bought into MLF's scheme all along, which is a VERY good scheme btw which I have raved about on other posts, but it takes a while/some time to learn it....

One of the great things about MLF's scheme was that it schemed receivers open, better than McCarthy's for sure. So if that's the case, why was Rodgers always throwing the ball to Adams in that last playoff game?

 

[Heyjoe4]

Perhaps, perhaps not. For him to be correct, Love has to become a starting quality quarterback, and that remains to be seen, if we ever see it.



One of the great things about MLF's scheme was that it schemed receivers open, better than McCarthy's for sure. So if that's the case, why was Rodgers always throwing the ball to Adams in that last playoff game?

I don't remember another game where Rodgers was so fixated on only throwing to Adams. Maybe he's done it, I just don't recall. No surprise Adams was the number one target, I get that, but man that Niners game was weird. Adams caught all the passes through Q3, right? What's just as strange is that MLF allowed it. I don't know. It's a mystery.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I don't remember another game where Rodgers was so fixated on only throwing to Adams. Maybe he's done it, I just don't recall. No surprise Adams was the number one target, I get that, but man that Niners game was weird. Adams caught all the passes through Q3, right? What's just as strange is that MLF allowed it. I don't know. It's a mystery.

Other receivers caught the ball but not dependably, and, the 49ers defense is really good. They were able to cover the other mediocre receivers. Not sure how MLF was supposed to scheme open Cobb or Lazard if said players weren’t able to actually get open. At some point you just have to admit that the packers offense was limited by having one receiver able to get open and the weather hindering the other guys. At some point i understand a QB focusing on one guy when only one guy has reliably been open and the oline choices don’t give him time to scan the field.

 

[Voyageur]

A point to consider. When Rodgers saw single coverage on Adams, and possibly even zone coverage, he became the primary receiver on the play, according to play design. If he saw double coverage, someone else became the primary receiver. That could very well have been the concept the Packers were using in the 49ers game. Unless we know that was or wasn't the case, we're doing nothing but guessing.

Targets: 29 total. Adams 11, Jones 10. The rest of the team, 6. There were 2 throw away plays. I don't think that's on Rodgers, I think it's on the game plan.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Post pick, so far, you are correct. Had he been badly injured, decided to retire or force a trade, Gute would have been correct, to have started the process of finding his replacement early.

Your 2020 outlook on the future of Rodgers, is correct so far, but at some point you really should acknowledge the fact that it might not of. Rodgers contemplating retirement twice in a 10 month span, should at least make you think about it.

The bottom line being that Gutekunst was wrong about Rodgers resulting in a first rounder being wasted on a quarterback.

I think the perspectives of Gutey and LeFleur are completely different. LeFleur sees the what and now, while Gutey is intent as much on the tomorrows, if not more, than the today reality.

Thompson made the same mistake not making enough moves to improve the current team. With Rodgers getting up there in age the time is now for Gutekunst to change that.

I noticed that even though there was a history between Rodgers and Cobb, it didn't show up last year because Cobb didn't totally understand what was expected of him in the MLF offense. This year? Maybe. I don't know.

I don't think Cobb didn't put up better numbers because of a lack of knowledge of the offense but rather based on his skills having diminished over the past few years.

To quote a few others on here. If they are going to dummy down the pass plays "why did they re-sign AR for all of that money?"

Most likely the Packers will need to run more basic plays this season with the receivers lacking knowledge of the system.

Rodgers won't have the luxury of being able to call a lot of audibles, his #1 guy is gone and that may end up being tough for him, but maybe a good thing too.

The offense hugely benefits from Rodgers being able to audible at the line out of a bad play. The unit would struggle if he won't be able to do it as much this season.

Perhaps, perhaps not. For him to be correct, Love has to become a starting quality quarterback, and that remains to be seen, if we ever see it.

Love will most likely get the chance to compete for a starting job, albeit I don't expect that to be with the Packers.

I don't remember another game where Rodgers was so fixated on only throwing to Adams. Maybe he's done it, I just don't recall. No surprise Adams was the number one target, I get that, but man that Niners game was weird. Adams caught all the passes through Q3, right? What's just as strange is that MLF allowed it. I don't know. It's a mystery.

Rodgers targeted Jones nearly as much as Adams during the Niners game. Actually Jones finished the game with a better stat line. Aside of Dafney (two targets) no other pass catcher was targeted more than once in that game though.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Other receivers caught the ball but not dependably, and, the 49ers defense is really good. They were able to cover the other mediocre receivers. Not sure how MLF was supposed to scheme open Cobb or Lazard if said players weren’t able to actually get open. At some point you just have to admit that the packers offense was limited by having one receiver able to get open and the weather hindering the other guys. At some point i understand a QB focusing on one guy when only one guy has reliably been open and the oline choices don’t give him time to scan the field.

Those are good points. The field was in lousy shape and that affects all players. Given Adams' skill at getting open, he simply may have been the best option for most of the night.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The bottom line being that Gutekunst was wrong about Rodgers resulting in a first rounder being wasted on a quarterback.



Thompson made the same mistake not making enough moves to improve the current team. With Rodgers getting up there in age the time is now for Gutekunst to change that.



I don't think Cobb didn't put up better numbers because of a lack of knowledge of the offense but rather based on his skills having diminished over the past few years.



Most likely the Packers will need to run more basic plays this season with the receivers lacking knowledge of the system.



The offense hugely benefits from Rodgers being able to audible at the line out of a bad play. The unit would struggle if he won't be able to do it as much this season.



Love will most likely get the chance to compete for a starting job, albeit I don't expect that to be with the Packers.



Rodgers targeted Jones nearly as much as Adams during the Niners game. Actually Jones finished the game with a better stat line. Aside of Dafney (two targets) no other pass catcher was targeted more than once in that game though.

Interesting point about Jones. And as Sunshine pointed out, maybe Adams (and Jones now) were the only guys getting open. And credit has to go to the Niners'
D, especially their D Line. Those guys can stop the run and get after the QB, even in lousy conditions. And unfortunately, the Packers'OL was playing without Bakh and without Jenkins. I don't remember if Myers played but the OL was nowhere near full strength. And that would have limited Rodgers' options.

 

[Heyjoe4]

A point to consider. When Rodgers saw single coverage on Adams, and possibly even zone coverage, he became the primary receiver on the play, according to play design. If he saw double coverage, someone else became the primary receiver. That could very well have been the concept the Packers were using in the 49ers game. Unless we know that was or wasn't the case, we're doing nothing but guessing.

Targets: 29 total. Adams 11, Jones 10. The rest of the team, 6. There were 2 throw away plays. I don't think that's on Rodgers, I think it's on the game plan.

Good points. And the OL was undermanned, limiting Rodgers' options to the guys who could get open, and that's gonna include Adams.

I didn't think the Niners' secondary was great, but that front four they have is very good at stopping the run and getting after the QB.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good points. And the OL was undermanned, limiting Rodgers' options to the guys who could get open, and that's gonna include Adams.

I didn't think the Niners' secondary was great, but that front four they have is very good at stopping the run and getting after the QB.

I think the point that Sunshine, as well as myself, are trying to make is this. For years, Rodgers has been working with one really good WR and the rest of the WR's, just average to below. When the Packers come up against a good defense, Rodgers and the offense can struggle. If the pressure is getting on Rodgers quickly, they struggle even more. Which is probably why at times he leans on Adams so much. He trusts Adams will run the correct route and/or break away from it if need be and ultimately be where Rodgers thinks he will be. With Adams now gone, I predict that Rodgers and his new WR's, be it rookies or FA's, are going to struggle for awhile. If I am an opposing DC, I dial up the pressure on Rodgers, knowing that his new group of WR's as a whole, will be way less talented than when Adams was there.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think the point that Sunshine, as well as myself, are trying to make is this. For years, Rodgers has been working with one really good WR and the rest of the WR's, just average to below. When the Packers come up against a good defense, Rodgers and the offense can struggle. If the pressure is getting on Rodgers quickly, they struggle even more. Which is probably why at times he leans on Adams so much. He trusts Adams will run the correct route and/or break away from it if need be and ultimately be where Rodgers thinks he will be. With Adams now gone, I predict that unless Rodgers and his new WR's, be it rookies or FA's are going to struggle for awhile. If I am an opposing DC, I dial up the pressure on Rodgers, knowing that his new group of WR's as a whole, will be way less talented than when Adams was there.

That's a good summary. As fans we should probably set expectations. Especially early in the season, Rodgers probably won't be airing the ball out for big yardage. A lot depends on how they restock the WR group and how well those new guys play. That's just gonna take time.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's a good summary. As fans we should probably set expectations. Especially early in the season, Rodgers probably won't be airing the ball out for big yardage. A lot depends on how they restock the WR group and how well those new guys play. That's just gonna take time.

Yup and Rodgers actually might have to play in the preseason. Not that I want to see him take unnecessary hits, in meaningless games, he is going to need some actual game reps to figure out the timing with his WR's. Otherwise, expect Lazard, Jones, Dillon, Cobb and a TE to see a lot of balls.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yup and Rodgers actually might have to play in the preseason. Not that I want to see him take unnecessary hits, in meaningless games, he is going to need some actual game reps to figure out the timing with his WR's. Otherwise, expect Lazard, Jones, Dillon, Cobb and a TE to see a lot of balls.

I have mixed feelings this year about Rodgers playing PS games. Usually I'm against it but usually there isn't this much turnover with the WRs. I can see some benefit in playing a few series with a simple, basic game plan and getting the ball out of his hands quickly. I'm not so sure that's valuable time though, given the risk for injury. I guess I'll leave that one up to MLF.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I have mixed feelings this year about Rodgers playing PS games. Usually I'm against it but usually there isn't this much turnover with the WRs. I can see some benefit in playing a few series with a simple, basic game plan and getting the ball out of his hands quickly. I'm not so sure that's valuable time though, given the risk for injury. I guess I'll leave that one up to MLF.

If he doesn't play in PS, I will expect a very rusty looking offense for a number of games. Hell, I expect that even when the starters play some in PS.

If they decide to put a bubble around Rodgers and just expect him and his new WR group to click immediately once the season starts, they really need to go back and look at his history with new receivers. If Lazard becomes defacto #1 WR, I expect he will be used a bit differently in the offense as well.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If he doesn't play in PS, I will expect a very rusty looking offense for a number of games. Hell, I expect that even when the starters play some in PS.

If they decide to put a bubble around Rodgers and just expect him and his new WR group to click immediately once the season starts, they really need to go back and look at his history with new receivers. If Lazard becomes defacto #1 WR, I expect he will be used a bit differently in the offense as well.

I don't disagree with you. It's a trade-off. They can play him in PS in the first quarter and run select plays from the game plan, or sit him and accept that the season is gonna very likely have a rocky start.

The only good thing is that most teams are in the same place at the beginning of the season. There's always a lot of turnover, coaches and players, and they all need to get to the same place quickly.

I guess what it comes down to is the team can't lose a producer like Adams and not expect growing pains with new players, and a new game plan. Should be interesting. It's still a very talented team.

 

[Mondio]

It's a long season. Teams with a good solid core of vets always seem to start out slower. It's not a sprint. Yeah young guys need to get up to speed, but much of that is just in their learning of the x's and o's and the speed of the game.

I really don't think there is much of anything to be gained in OTA's for a guy like Rodgers and receivers who are just learning the playbook. and only slightly more to gain by having them play in the PS. if we' were talking about a 12 week season, maybe, but it's 17. Teams rarely "lead" it wire to wire. Every single year there are teams that start out slow and come on strong. GB has done it, the Chiefs just last year, every year. and there are those that come out looking on fire only to be a distant memory by week 8.

This team as a core of vets and talent they should be in the discussion at the end. You prepare the team, but I'm not using them up in practice OTA's and preseason so they can be in midseason form from the start.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It's a long season. Teams with a good solid core of vets always seem to start out slower. It's not a sprint. Yeah young guys need to get up to speed, but much of that is just in their learning of the x's and o's and the speed of the game.

I really don't think there is much of anything to be gained in OTA's for a guy like Rodgers and receivers who are just learning the playbook. and only slightly more to gain by having them play in the PS. if we' were talking about a 12 week season, maybe, but it's 17. Teams rarely "lead" it wire to wire. Every single year there are teams that start out slow and come on strong. GB has done it, the Chiefs just last year, every year. and there are those that come out looking on fire only to be a distant memory by week 8.

This team as a core of vets and talent they should be in the discussion at the end. You prepare the team, but I'm not using them up in practice OTA's and preseason so they can be in midseason form from the start.

True enough and all teams are pretty much in the same place when the season starts. All face changes to some aspect of the game.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would agree with this premise if the Packers end up going with Lazard, Cobb and a FA starting Vet. However, if they are going to rely on 1-2 rookies for a lot of regular season snaps, I hope they find a way to get them some decent snaps with Rodgers, under near game situations. Amari Rodgers got a lot of PS snaps in 2021, but with the backup QB's. In 3 games during the preseason, he was targeted 16 times, with 13 catches. His lack of time with #12 was evident in the regular season, when he was targeted only 8 times and only caught half of them. He was on the field for 108 offensive plays.

 

[swhitset]

I know that you and a few other fans seem to really want that to be the case. While that is a distinct possibility, it hasn't fully played out yet. At this point I would say Josh Jackson was a bigger drafting mistake.

Can’t agree with that … Jackson simply did not pan out … the Live situation was foreseeable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Can’t agree with that … Jackson simply did not pan out … the Live situation was foreseeable.

He didn't pan out for the Packers, Giants or Chiefs and is still a Free Agent. I wouldn't say he didn't pan out, he was a very bad pick in the second round.

What part of the Love situation was foreseeable? Both players were drafted high in the draft, with the hope that someday they would start. Love is still on the team and from what I know, the Packers haven't closed the window on him yet. Which is why I said "At this point" Jackson was a bigger drafting mistake than Love.

 

[Mondio]

Can’t agree with that … Jackson simply did not pan out … the Live situation was foreseeable.

I agree, it's always a distinction for me between a bad pick or one that just didn't work. Now it's bad for the team when a pick doesn't work out, but it doesn't automatically make it a bad pick in my book. He was a good athlete, good size, strong, quick and at a position of need. As far as i remember anyway, there weren't big red flags or attitude issues or criminal things. To me, he's just a pick that didn't work despite having measurables that said he should have been pretty good.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

As far as i remember anyway, there weren't big red flags or attitude issues or criminal things. To me, he's just a pick that didn't work despite having measurables that said he should have been pretty good.

I think the knock on him and it seemed to have played out, was that his 8 interceptions, with 2 returned for TD's at IOWA, were more based on the luck of being in the right place at the right time, than skill. It vaulted his draft status a lot more than it should of. I remember one scout saying he wasn't a good cover CB, but seemed to be in the right place at the right time for the interceptions.

Maybe money changed the guy and he stopped working hard? That is one of the big wildcards these days and it seems to be getting worse. Some of the players are becoming instant millionaires, set for life and their motivation to be a great football player, can be easily sidetracked by other things that money can now buy.

All that said, until Love actually has a chance to finish his career as a Packer or in the NFL, I will keep saying that Josh Jackson was a worst pick than Love.

 

[gopkrs]

I agree, it's always a distinction for me between a bad pick or one that just didn't work. Now it's bad for the team when a pick doesn't work out, but it doesn't automatically make it a bad pick in my book. He was a good athlete, good size, strong, quick and at a position of need. As far as i remember anyway, there weren't big red flags or attitude issues or criminal things. To me, he's just a pick that didn't work despite having measurables that said he should have been pretty good.

It's a red flag when someone is around when you thought he would be long gone. Other teams passed on him. Did we even have a clue why?

 

[Schultz]

Nice try. You must mean the same clues they had when everybody passed on Aaron Rodgers.