Packers and Aaron Rodgers agree on 3 yr 150 mill

[longtimefan]

The idea that the Love pick motivated Rodgers to two consecutive MVPs is nuts. Getting rid of MM, taking advantage of Rodgers wealth of knowledge about the game, adding two stud RBs, and making great in-season adjustments is what got them to the #1 seed. Oh and that guy named Davante helped a bit......... OK he helped a lot but we knew that. And Gluten really did disrespect Rodgers. Rodgers overreacted, but I get his point and now that is in the past.

So fix the receiver room, or get it to 75% of where it needs to be, and I think the kids will be all right. Rodgers will have to be more patient - he can't afford to get frustrated. I think MLF will help.

As for Love, I'm sick of hearing about him. Barring a miracle, he'll be gone in two years. For now, he is the best backup GB has - well, as long as they don't actually need him in a game..........

He wasn't hitting his targets, every local radio sports show guy said it. For what ever reason he wasn't "his normal self"

That is what we are referring too

But just like Brett , people refuse to believe anything negative

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Barring a miracle, he'll be gone in two years.

You mean the miracle of getting a few starts, to evaluate him fairly?

You keep reverting to this opinion, that he sucks and then when someone points out that there really is limited date to fully assess Love, you agree. Which is it?

 

[Heyjoe4]

You mean the miracle of getting a few starts, to evaluate him fairly?

You keep reverting to this opinion, that he sucks and then when someone points out that there really is limited date to fully assess Love, you agree. Which is it?

Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think I said he sucks. He has had opportunities to start and win games and has failed. Even so, he's the best backup GB has.

With Rodgers as the starter and Love as the backup, I hope Love gets nothing but cleanup snaps. Unless you'd rather have him start over Rodgers. And while I know that's not true, it kinda sounds like that. I'm interested in GB winning a SB, and they do that with Rodgers, who might just be around for another three years.

I'm done commenting on Love until the day he becomes the starter. I'm looking forward to another strong season from Rodgers and the rest of the team, and the addition of quality talent in the WR group.

 

[Mondio]

He wasn't hitting his targets, every local radio sports show guy said it. For what ever reason he wasn't "his normal self"

That is what we are referring too

But just like Brett , people refuse to believe anything negative

On the flip side, there are those that think everything is negative. I'm not saying you, so I hope you don't take it that way.

It's just some think if Rodgers works hard, it's because he has a massive Ego, not because he's just a hard worker. If he succeeds it's only because he wants to get one up on someone not because he wants to be good. If he sits out of camp it's because of his ego, if he shows up, it's because of his ego. You know the type, they're on here. Any chance to spin it negative, they take it.

I'm sure Love had at least a little to making that fire burn a little hotter for Rodgers. Rodgers was coming off a couple injury seasons, shoulder and knee. I believe those had every bit as much, probably more than anything to do with Rodgers not looking entirely like Rodgers, and a 1st year in a new offense for the first time in a decade or so.

So while i'm sure the drafting of Love may have fanned that flame a little bit, I think Rodgers' has a work ethic that rivals any of the best ever and a focus matched by few others, and that is why he had back to back MVP seasons

 

[Heyjoe4]

On the flip side, there are those that think everything is negative. I'm not saying you, so I hope you don't take it that way.

It's just some think if Rodgers works hard, it's because he has a massive Ego, not because he's just a hard worker. If he succeeds it's only because he wants to get one up on someone not because he wants to be good. If he sits out of camp it's because of his ego, if he shows up, it's because of his ego. You know the type, they're on here. Any chance to spin it negative, they take it.

I'm sure Love had at least a little to making that fire burn a little hotter for Rodgers. Rodgers was coming off a couple injury seasons, shoulder and knee. I believe those had every bit as much, probably more than anything to do with Rodgers not looking entirely like Rodgers, and a 1st year in a new offense for the first time in a decade or so.

So while i'm sure the drafting of Love may have fanned that flame a little bit, I think Rodgers' has a work ethic that rivals any of the best ever and a focus matched by few others, and that is why he had back to back MVP seasons

Well said. Ego all alone doesn't win MVPs. That takes talent and hard work and confidence.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think I said he sucks. He has had opportunities to start and win games and has failed. Even so, he's the best backup GB has.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, I am saying that in one post you call Love Gute's biggest mistake and in the next post you say he was a first round pick and deserves a chance to start. BTW, if you are calling his 1 start against the Cardinals, which he found out days before, "opportunities to start and win games and has failed", then I would debate you on that not being enough information to call Love a failure or a mistake.

Love is not a starting QB, IMO, but he's a first round pick and probably deserves the chance to show he can do the job.

As for Love, I'm sick of hearing about him. Barring a miracle, he'll be gone in two years. For now, he is the best backup GB has - well, as long as they don't actually need him in a game..........

 

[longtimefan]

On the flip side, there are those that think everything is negative. I'm not saying you, so I hope you don't take it that way.

It's just some think if Rodgers works hard, it's because he has a massive Ego, not because he's just a hard worker. If he succeeds it's only because he wants to get one up on someone not because he wants to be good. If he sits out of camp it's because of his ego, if he shows up, it's because of his ego. You know the type, they're on here. Any chance to spin it negative, they take it.

I'm sure Love had at least a little to making that fire burn a little hotter for Rodgers. Rodgers was coming off a couple injury seasons, shoulder and knee. I believe those had every bit as much, probably more than anything to do with Rodgers not looking entirely like Rodgers, and a 1st year in a new offense for the first time in a decade or so.

So while i'm sure the drafting of Love may have fanned that flame a little bit, I think Rodgers' has a work ethic that rivals any of the best ever and a focus matched by few others, and that is why he had back to back MVP seasons

I can see that.

but again I think subconsciously it did . He admitted he went to study himself from years prior.

Why did he look into it?
Did he himself realize he was not playing up to his standards?

I think it was a combo of everything

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm sure Love had at least a little to making that fire burn a little hotter for Rodgers.

That is about all anyone I have seen is implying. Some won't even acknowledge that it had any effect on the guy.

Now to your point and others, I don't think that was Gute's motivation for drafting Love. Just happened to be one of the unintended side effects. Much like I feel it rubbed Rodgers the wrong way, was an unintentional side effect of the Love pick.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The funny think about the Love pick. Gute was planning for the future. Had Rodgers continued to decline or actually did retire and Love turns into a rock solid starter, fans would be calling Gute a fricking Nostradamus...or some might have just said "He was doing what a good GM does, planning for a FHOF QB not being the QB." Seems the Saints, Pats and a few other teams, weren't very well prepared for that event.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

The funny think about the Love pick. Gute was planning for the future. Had Rodgers continued to decline or actually did retire and Love turns into a rock solid starter, fans would be calling Gute a fricking Nostradamus...or some might have just said "He was doing what a good GM does, planning for a FHOF QB not being the QB." Seems the Saints, Pats and a few other teams, weren't very well prepared for that event.

Someone once said the worst time to look for a quarterback is when you are desperate to get one...I have no problem with the Love pick, whether or not it turns out that GB needs him.

If one of those QBs people think could be a 1st rounder drops into the third this year, I wouldn't be upset with the Pack doing it again.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Someone once said the worst time to look for a quarterback is when you are desperate to get one...I have no problem with the Love pick, whether or not it turns out that GB needs him.

If one of those QBs people think could be a 1st rounder drops into the third this year, I wouldn't be upset with the Pack doing it again.

Seemed to work well for Gute's predecessor when he drafted Rodgers. Same really for Wolf, when he traded a first away for Favre. I agree with you on the worst time to look for a QB, is when you are desperate to get one. We just saw the Bears blunder their way through trading up to get Turdbiscuit and then flounder for 4 years with him under center. The Jets, the Dolphins and on and on. Not having a solid starting QB, can make teams do some crazy things and I don't consider what the Packers spent on Love, in the situation they were in, all that crazy.

 

[PikeBadger]

Seemed to work well for Gute's predecessor when he drafted Rodgers. Same really for Wolf, when he traded a first away for Favre. I agree with you on the worst time to look for a QB, is when you are desperate to get one. We just saw the Bears blunder their way through trading up to get Turdbiscuit and then flounder for 4 years with him under center. The Jets, the Dolphins and on and on. Not having a solid starting QB, can make teams do some crazy things and I don't consider what the Packers spent on Love, in the situation they were in, all that crazy.

Very much agree and I think that Gutekunst saw Love dropping way too far from where they had him graded. And I don't believe they were totally surprised by it either in that Gutekunst told Rodgers in February 2020 they might draft a QB.
A lot of people seem to want to forget that little detail of the entire saga that ensued.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Very much agree and I think that Gutekunst saw Love dropping way too far from where they had him graded. And I don't believe they were totally surprised by it either in that Gutekunst told Rodgers in February 2020 they might draft a QB.
A lot of people seem to want to forget that little detail of the entire saga that ensued.

Yes and the fact that it was a later first round pick (30th) + a late 4th round (136), doesn't really bother me. I look at some of the crap we have ended up with in previous years with those 2 picks and I think the potential payoff, was definitely worth the investment.

I get why people weren't happy and as time plays out, it just slowly fills the narrative that some jumped to the night he was drafted; "Should have done this." Packers should have kept #30 and used it on the player that the Dolphins selected with it, CB Noah Igbinoghene, they never would have had to draft Stokes. However, I think they might have been looking for a CB in the draft this season. Since the Dolphin fans and media are also playing that game of "who they should have drafted instead of Igbinoghene" as well.

3 players the Miami Dolphins could have drafted over Noah Igbinoghene

We play the "What If" game and look at the players that the Miami Dolphins could have drafted instead of Noah Igbinoghene. We are still in the th...

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[PikeBadger]

Yes and the fact that it was a later first round pick (30th) + a late 4th round (136), doesn't really bother me. I look at some of the crap we have ended up with in previous years with those 2 picks and I think the potential payoff, was definitely worth the investment.

I get why people weren't happy and as time plays out, it just slowly fills the narrative that some jumped to the night he was drafted; "Should have done this." Packers should have kept #30 and used it on the player that the Dolphins selected with it, CB Noah Igbinoghene, they never would have had to draft Stokes. However, I think they might have been looking for a CB in the draft this season. Since the Dolphin fans and media are also playing that game of "who they should have drafted instead of Igbinoghene" as well.

3 players the Miami Dolphins could have drafted over Noah Igbinoghene

We play the "What If" game and look at the players that the Miami Dolphins could have drafted instead of Noah Igbinoghene. We are still in the th...

phinphanatic.com

I had to laugh at the Miami fan's conversations. That same scenario probably gets played out at more than half of leagues fan forums. I guess we maybe should consider ourselves very fortunate for what we have.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I had to laugh at the Miami fan's conversations. That same scenario probably gets played out at more than half of leagues fan forums. I guess we maybe should consider ourselves very fortunate for what we have.

Yes. It is the draft game we all play. I complain that we didn't draft TJ Watt and got King instead. For all I know, Watt might have failed in GB due to coaching or injuries and King flourished elsewhere. You just never really know. I can't remember if it was you or tynimiller who said "It's not a bad pick or a reach, if the player was picked after the point that most thought he would be." Just turned out that for whatever reasons, said player didn't work out.

 

[PikeBadger]

Yes. It is the draft game we all play. I complain that we didn't draft TJ Watt and got King instead. For all I know, Watt might have failed in GB due to coaching or injuries and King flourished elsewhere. You just never really know. I can't remember if it was you or tynimiller who said "It's not a bad pick or a reach, if the player was picked after the point that most thought he would be." Just turned out that for whatever reasons, said player didn't work out.

I'm still complaining and gnashing my teeth about Thompson not drafting Watt.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm still complaining and gnashing my teeth about Thompson not drafting Watt.

I don't think there were many here that didn't want him and think that we needed him too. All I remember about that night was getting way to excited that he was still available and we were up. Then we trade out of the first! That was Ted's last draft and a bad one at that, but at least we got Aaron Jones out of it and only for a 5th!

 

[PikeBadger]

AmishMafia annual draft contest now open in the Draft Talk thread. Big talkers need apply.

 

[Heyjoe4]

AmishMafia annual draft contest now open in the Draft Talk thread. Big talkers need apply.

Thanks Pike. I've seen enough posts about Jordan Love here to last a lifetime.

 

[PikeBadger]

Thanks Pike. I've seen enough posts about Jordan Love here to last a lifetime.

Make sure you got a QB with one of your 1st round choices.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Make sure you got a QB with one of your 1st round choices.

But of course. Can't trust that Rodgers. We're set at WR. Guys will step up, like the punter. Oh wait, we fired that guy. How about the long snapper? Nevermind.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Right, but it does not fit the narrative of "Love was a horrible pick", so some will not acknowledge that it is even a possibility. Given Rodgers ultra competitive personality, I can't see how it didn't motivate him. There is just nothing to verify it either way, unless Rodgers some day acknowledges it.

If the narrative that Love might have motivated Rodgers to win two consecutive MVPs is the only justification you have for the Packers to have selected him in the first place that should tell you it was a terrible pick.

You mean the miracle of getting a few starts, to evaluate him fairly?

When will Love get that chance with the Packers though??? As long as Rodgers stays healthy he won't play any meaningful snaps for all of his rookie deal. Wasted pick.

BTW, if you are calling his 1 start against the Cardinals, which he found out days before, "opportunities to start and win games and has failed", then I would debate you on that not being enough information to call Love a failure or a mistake.

Love found out on Wednesday that he will start vs. the Chiefs. Therefore he had an entire week of practice to prepare for the game. If he wasn't ready mentally that's a big minus anyway.

The funny think about the Love pick. Gute was planning for the future. Had Rodgers continued to decline or actually did retire and Love turns into a rock solid starter, fans would be calling Gute a fricking Nostradamus...or some might have just said "He was doing what a good GM does, planning for a FHOF QB not being the QB."

There's no reason to justify Love's selection based on "What ifs" as it didn't work out that way though.

If one of those QBs people think could be a 1st rounder drops into the third this year, I wouldn't be upset with the Pack doing it again.

That would only make sense if the Packers trade Love for more draft picks.

Seemed to work well for Gute's predecessor when he drafted Rodgers. Same really for Wolf, when he traded a first away for Favre.

In my opinion Thompson and Wolf being successful by acquiring a HOF quarterback hugely factored into Gutekunst trying to force the issue of being able to achieve that as well. He should have stayed patient and wait for the right moment to come around.

And I don't believe they were totally surprised by it either in that Gutekunst told Rodgers in February 2020 they might draft a QB.
A lot of people seem to want to forget that little detail of the entire saga that ensued.

Do you have any prove for that??? Gutekunst even acknowledged his communication with Rodgers about the issue was poor.

Yes and the fact that it was a later first round pick (30th) + a late 4th round (136), doesn't really bother me. I look at some of the crap we have ended up with in previous years with those 2 picks and I think the potential payoff, was definitely worth the investment.

It was only last year that the Packers selected Royce Newman at the end of the fourth round who ended up playing 97% of the snaps for the team last season, most likely having a much bigger impact on the offense than Love will ever have.

I get why people weren't happy and as time plays out, it just slowly fills the narrative that some jumped to the night he was drafted; "Should have done this." Packers should have kept #30 and used it on the player that the Dolphins selected with it, CB Noah Igbinoghene, they never would have had to draft Stokes. However, I think they might have been looking for a CB in the draft this season. Since the Dolphin fans and media are also playing that game of "who they should have drafted instead of Igbinoghene" as well.

3 players the Miami Dolphins could have drafted over Noah Igbinoghene

We play the "What If" game and look at the players that the Miami Dolphins could have drafted instead of Noah Igbinoghene. We are still in the th...

phinphanatic.com

There's no doubt the Packers could have ended up with a prospect not working out by staying put at #30 as well. They might have been able to solidfy their receiving corps by taking Tee Higgins as well though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If the narrative that Love might have motivated Rodgers to win two consecutive MVPs is the only justification you have for the Packers to have selected him in the first place that should tell you it was a terrible pick.

Where have you ever seen me say that? Acutally what I said is below. Funny you missed that, you seem to have read everything else.

I don't think that was Gute's motivation for drafting Love. Just happened to be one of the unintended side effects. Much like I feel it rubbed Rodgers the wrong way, was an unintentional side effect of the Love pick.

There's no reason to justify Love's selection based on "What ifs" as it didn't work out that way though.

Why would a GM not go through the "what if" scenarios when it comes to the draft? A bad GM would only wait for the present and known and thus be drafting for need in every draft. It's pointless to debate this back and forth, since you will never admit that Gute saw justification for the pick of Love, at the time he picked him. Using everything that has happened since the pick, doesn't prove anything, except that potentially, it will turn out that his vision of the future was incorrect.

 

[Heyjoe4]

If the narrative that Love might have motivated Rodgers to win two consecutive MVPs is the only justification you have for the Packers to have selected him in the first place that should tell you it was a terrible pick.



When will Love get that chance with the Packers though??? As long as Rodgers stays healthy he won't play any meaningful snaps for all of his rookie deal. Wasted pick.



Love found out on Wednesday that he will start vs. the Chiefs. Therefore he had an entire week of practice to prepare for the game. If he wasn't ready mentally that's a big minus anyway.



There's no reason to justify Love's selection based on "What ifs" as it didn't work out that way though.



That would only make sense if the Packers trade Love for more draft picks.



In my opinion Thompson and Wolf being successful by acquiring a HOF quarterback hugely factored into Gutekunst trying to force the issue of being able to achieve that as well. He should have stayed patient and wait for the right moment to come around.



Do you have any prove for that??? Gutekunst even acknowledged his communication with Rodgers about the issue was poor.



It was only last year that the Packers selected Royce Newman at the end of the fourth round who ended up playing 97% of the snaps for the team last season, most likely having a much bigger impact on the offense than Love will ever have.



There's no doubt the Packers could have ended up with a prospect not working out by staying put at #30 as well. They might have been able to solidfy their receiving corps by taking Tee Higgins as well though.

I think we see the Love situation the same. Personally, I'm done with it. When I read the Josh Jackson pick was worse than Love, well, that's the end for me. Some people may need to wait a few more years to declare the Love pick a bust. Not me. He'll serve as the best backup QB the Packers have for the next year, maybe more. Gluten has done a lot of very good things since and he salvaged the relationship with Rodgers. I'm pretty happy with that. I'd rather hear ideas on how the WR group will be upgraded so the team keeps winning. Now that's a challenge.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Where have you ever seen me say that? Acutally what I said is below. Funny you missed that, you seem to have read everything else.

My point is that Love hasn't offered anything on the field to justify his selection, therefore some fans make up that the Packers drafting him resulted in Rodgers performing at an MVP level to warrant the pick in the first place. I think it's bogus.

It's pointless to debate this back and forth, since you will never admit that Gute saw justification for the pick of Love, at the time he picked him. Using everything that has happened since the pick, doesn't prove anything, except that potentially, it will turn out that his vision of the future was incorrect.

There's absolutely no doubt Gutekunst was convinced there was a need to trade up to select Love in the first round. But first of all he was wrong about that and in addition the early returns suggest it was a mistake to pick him that high in the first place.