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People forget that with AR, he was PRESUMED to be the Number 1 overall pick and TT and the Packers "lucked out" when he fell to us....

Obviously it has worked out very well for us lol
Additionally, as much as I love Favre, he was kind of an a** towards the end of his career with the "will he retire or un retire" BS, so it was wise to draft a replacement anyway

Love is different because he was a projected late 1st to 2nd round pick and Gute TRADED UP to get him.

It hasn't looked good so far

AR has never mentioned he is close to wanting to retire, he's been transparent about playing in his 40s...
 

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My point is that Love hasn't offered anything on the field to justify his selection, therefore some fans make up that the Packers drafting him resulted in Rodgers performing at an MVP level to warrant the pick in the first place. I think it's bogus.
Again, I have never said that a reason the Packers selected Love was to motivate Rodgers, could have been an unintended positive side effect, but that is open for debate.

How many snaps and seasons did it take Gary to justify his selection? How about Adams? Rodgers? I understand the frustration that you and other Packer fans have, that Love hasn't gone out there and looked like a starting QB, but I think your expectations were predetermined, before he even landed in Green Bay.
 

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People forget that with AR, he was PRESUMED to be the Number 1 overall pick and TT and the Packers "lucked out" when he fell to us....

Obviously it has worked out very well for us lol
Additionally, as much as I love Favre, he was kind of an a** towards the end of his career with the "will he retire or un retire" BS, so it was wise to draft a replacement anyway

Love is different because he was a projected late 1st to 2nd round pick and Gute TRADED UP to get him.

It hasn't looked good so far

AR has never mentioned he is close to wanting to retire, he's been transparent about playing in his 40s...
Some people had Love going in the first 6 picks and one very famous draft analyst said he had the best arm and leg talent of all the QB's in that draft class. It's clear that Gutekunst had him very high on his draft board and didn't want to pass up the opportunity to get a prospect of that calibre.
 

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My point is that Love hasn't offered anything on the field to justify his selection, therefore some fans make up that the Packers drafting him resulted in Rodgers performing at an MVP level to warrant the pick in the first place. I think it's bogus.



There's absolutely no doubt Gutekunst was convinced there was a need to trade up to select Love in the first round. But first of all he was wrong about that and in addition the early returns suggest it was a mistake to pick him that high in the first place.
Overall I'd say Gluten has done a good job with personnel. Where he's made mistakes, like in his relationship with Rodgers, he's at least done things to fix them, within reason.

And no decision should happen in a vacuum. But it's hard for me to believe Love was a consensus pick among the majority of the scouts. I think Gluten was just convinced Rodgers had little time left and he had to act. He couldn't have been more wrong. But it's in the past, they at least have a backup QB, and the team has moved on with Rodgers. That's the right thing to do. As expensive as he is, and as goofy as he can be, Rodgers gives GB the best chance to keep winning.

Much more important is fixing the WR group. That's gonna be Gluten's biggest challenge.
 

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My point is that Love hasn't offered anything on the field to justify his selection
I don't think it's in the best interest of young QBs to draft them for use in their rookie year. It just is not a valid point to say he was a bad pick because he hasn't done anything on the field. imo
 

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I don't think it's in the best interest of young QBs to draft them for use in their rookie year. It just is not a valid point to say he was a bad pick because he hasn't done anything on the field. imo
Especially, for as little as he has been on said field for real NFL snaps. Even if Love went out and threw for 400 yards and 4 TD's with zero interceptions, most of us wouldn't anoint him as a FHOF QB, expectations and evaluations go both ways, when you have very limited data.
 

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Some people had Love going in the first 6 picks and one very famous draft analyst said he had the best arm and leg talent of all the QB's in that draft class. It's clear that Gutekunst had him very high on his draft board and didn't want to pass up the opportunity to get a prospect of that calibre.
Can you link those please? I'm referring to the mocks/analysts/experts/etc who had Love going Top 6

Thank you
 

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Interesting...

I believe the Chargers are VERY happy with Herbert though ;)
Of course they are and had the Packers drafted Herbert, we may not have seen what he was capable of yet. ;)

Same goes with Love. Had the Chargers drafted him, instead of Herbert, maybe he is just as good or better as Herbert?
 

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People forget that with AR, he was PRESUMED to be the Number 1 overall pick and TT and the Packers "lucked out" when he fell to us....
Some people were still angry about it because they were wanting someone to help with the team immediately (sound familiar?). But times were somewhat different because the Packers were doing fair business taking their backup quarterbacks and molding them into nice trade bait. That sort of thing seems less common now. I'm guessing that is partly because newer union rules make it harder to spend time on developing backup quarterbacks.
 
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Did you watch Huntley play last season??? He looked significantly better than Love.
Sure he did.
Does Huntley being a designated starter mean his career is better than Love after him starting 1 contest after finding out last second that Aaron had Covid?

It’s such a hasty example imo. I can find endless QB’s who are better than Jordan Love after 1 start.
So what?

Are you implying you want to trade for Huntley to replace #12 as a successor??
Is he your choice?
 
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I like Minshew if he wouldve been available for a back up roll...or Fitzy.
I think the draft capital has been spent so to speak. I don’t see giving the “giving up” on Jordan this early even if he’s Brett Hundley Jr.

I’m actually excited to see what Clements can do with Jordan. Also curious how Love will look in preseason with some college studs
 
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Again, I have never said that a reason the Packers selected Love was to motivate Rodgers, could have been an unintended positive side effect, but that is open for debate.

But right now you justify the move because of it as there's nothing else to support it.

How many snaps and seasons did it take Gary to justify his selection? How about Adams? Rodgers? I understand the frustration that you and other Packer fans have, that Love hasn't gone out there and looked like a starting QB, but I think your expectations were predetermined, before he even landed in Green Bay.

The point being that at the time of the 2020 draft it was pretty obvious that Love will not receiving enough meaningful snaps to fairly evaluate him over the course of his rookie contract.

As mentioned numerous times (but you don't seem to remember) I agree it's far too early to make an educated guess on Love's potential but most likely that won't be possible until he ends up with another team two years from now.

I don't think it's in the best interest of young QBs to draft them for use in their rookie year. It just is not a valid point to say he was a bad pick because he hasn't done anything on the field. imo

As mentioned above, Love most likely will end up not having done anything productive on the field before he moves on to another team. I think that should definitely qualify as a valid criticism of a first round pick.

Especially, for as little as he has been on said field for real NFL snaps. Even if Love went out and threw for 400 yards and 4 TD's with zero interceptions, most of us wouldn't anoint him as a FHOF QB, expectations and evaluations go both ways, when you have very limited data.

Most of you would have advocated for the Packers to trade Rodgers based on such a performance by Love against the Chiefs last season.

Does Huntley being a designated starter mean his career is better than Love after him starting 1 contest after finding out last second that Aaron had Covid?

Could we please stop acting as if Love found out on Sunday morning that he would start against KC??? He received all reps with the first team offense in practice leading up to that game.

It’s such a hasty example imo. I can find endless QB’s who are better than Jordan Love after 1 start.
So what?

Are you implying you want to trade for Huntley to replace #12 as a successor??
Is he your choice?

I don't want the Packers to make a move for Huntley but he should serve as evidence that it's possible for a backup quarterback who has been in the league since 2020 to look much better than Love has so far despite not having losing an entire offseason because of COVID etc.
 

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Regarding Love, there are some mechanics issues that I don't like about hie game. Perhaps Clements was also brought in for that bc AR had issues too early in his career

Big year for Love too though this year/preseason

But as a "person" obviously I root for him. Hey, he didn't ask to back up a HOF qb and he's said all the right things and been humble and worked his butt off from what I have heard. It's not really his fault/decision to be a 1st round pick...
 

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But right now you justify the move because of it as there's nothing else to support it.
I think you are confused. I "justified" or as I like to call it, "came to terms", with the drafting of Love within a few days after the draft. I listened to Gute's rationale, watched tape on Love and read up on it. At that time, I decided to see how it would play out.

2 years later, nothing has changed as far as what was known that night of the draft, you know when the pick had to be in by a certain time. So in my mind, the pick was still justified at the time, since a crystal ball still had not been invented in 2020.

2 years later, some of what was being predicted and used as the rationale for the pick hasn't come to fruition. Rodgers bounced back from 2 so-so seasons and despite him waffling on retiring or wanting to be traded, he is still playing for the Packers. Love hasn't had much of a chance to show what he has due to covid protocols his rookie year and lack of opportunities in both years. Therefore, a fair evaluation of him is still pending.

So please stop implying that I am now trying to use the 2 years of information to "justify" the pick of Love that night in 2020. If he had a time machine, with the 2 years of knowledge that Gute now has, he may choose to go back and change that pick, he may not, only he knows.
 
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But as a "person" obviously I root for him. Hey, he didn't ask to back up a HOF qb and he's said all the right things and been humble and worked his butt off from what I have heard. It's not really his fault/decision to be a 1st round pick...

I definitely root for him to become the Packers next HOF quarterback as well. I'm not optimistic about that happening with him though.

2 years later, nothing has changed as far as what was known that night of the draft, you know when the pick had to be in by a certain time. So in my mind, the pick was still justified at the time, since a crystal ball still had not been invented in 2020.

You're right about one thing, nothing has changed over the past two years. There was no need to select a quarterback in the first round two years ago and everything that has happened since April 2020 proved that to be true.

Love hasn't had much of a chance to show what he has due to covid protocols his rookie year and lack of opportunities in both years. Therefore, a fair evaluation of him is still pending.

It's not surprising Love hasn't had a chance to showcase his talent considering the Packers feature the best quarterback in the league. Most likely, a fair evaluation of him won't be possible until he plays for another team. Therefore the team should have never selected him in the first place.

So please stop implying that I am now trying to use the 2 years of information to "justify" the pick of Love that night in 2020.

There's no new information to use to justify the selection.
 

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It's not surprising Love hasn't had a chance to showcase his talent considering the Packers feature the best quarterback in the league. Most likely, a fair evaluation of him won't be possible until he plays for another team. Therefore the team should have never selected him in the first place.
There's no new information to use to justify the selection.
Seriously Capp, your continued hindsight approach on this isn't like you. Normally, you are pretty rational on things like this. One post you acknowledge that Love hasn't played enough to be fairly evaluated, the next post you are saying that you hope he turns out to be really good, but it won't happen in Green Bay and then you post that he shouldn't have been drafted and nothing justified the pick.

Again, you may have been like me in 2020 and thought it was too early to take a QB in round 1 of the draft, but there were plenty of reasons to make it a justifiable pick back in April of 2020. You keep trying to prove your point that it wasn't justified by using what has happened in the last 2 years as some sort of damning evidence that he never should have been selected. Nobody disagrees with you that as of today, Love hasn't shown anything to have made him a great pick. Also, as you acknowledged, he really hasn't had a legit change to do so either.

I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is that the Raiders had no justification to pick Henry Ruggs?

The other factor here that so many are losing sight of, QB's are unlike any other position, unless you are Taysom Hill. A QB doesn't get on the field to prove himself or develop, during real NFL games, unless they are thrust immediately into the starting role or QB #1 isn't that good, gets hurt, retires or is traded.
 

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I think you are confused. I "justified" or as I like to call it, "came to terms", with the drafting of Love within a few days after the draft. I listened to Gute's rationale, watched tape on Love and read up on it. At that time, I decided to see how it would play out.

2 years later, nothing has changed as far as what was known that night of the draft, you know when the pick had to be in by a certain time. So in my mind, the pick was still justified at the time, since a crystal ball still had not been invented in 2020.

2 years later, some of what was being predicted and used as the rationale for the pick hasn't come to fruition. Rodgers bounced back from 2 so-so seasons and despite him waffling on retiring or wanting to be traded, he is still playing for the Packers. Love hasn't had much of a chance to show what he has due to covid protocols his rookie year and lack of opportunities in both years. Therefore, a fair evaluation of him is still pending.

So please stop implying that I am now trying to use the 2 years of information to "justify" the pick of Love that night in 2020. If he had a time machine, with the 2 years of knowledge that Gute now has, he may choose to go back and change that pick, he may not, only he knows.

I'm going to go on record as agreeing, and disagreeing, with the justifications for drafting Love. My reasons are simple enough, and we sometimes miss the whole story. It's easy to see how it happens.

For openers, it's very true that Rodgers had two "down years" at QB, prior to taking Love. That was a signal to Gutekunst, and LeFleur, that Rodgers may have been nearing the end of the road. BUT, as is often overlooked by all of us, without realizing it is that the observations of LeFleur. Let's look at Rodgers injury history.

Injury History​



DateLeagueInjuryDetails
Nov 19, 2006NFLPedal Foot Fracture Rodgers was placed on IR after suffering a foot fracture.
Oct 10, 2010NFLHead Cranial Concussion Grade 1Rodgers didn't miss a game following his Week 5 concussion.
Dec 12, 2010NFLHead Cranial Concussion Grade 1Rodgers missed 1 game with his 2nd concussion of 2010.
Nov 4, 2013NFLShoulder Clavicle Fracture Rodgers' injury forced him to miss the next 7 games.
Dec 21, 2014NFLLeg Calf Tear Rodgers reportedly had a "slight" tear in his calf.
Dec 11, 2016NFLLeg Calf Strain Rodgers' injury wasn't considered serious.
Oct 15, 2017NFLShoulder Clavicle Fracture Rodgers returned for 1 game before sitting out the final 2 weeks.
Dec 30, 2018NFLHead Cranial Concussion Grade 1Rodgers departed in the 2nd quarter and never returned.
Sep 9, 2018NFLKnee MCL Sprain Grade 2Rodgers was carted off but later returned vs. Chicago. He dealt with a sprain and a bone bruise for most of the season.
Nov 13, 2021NFLPedal Toe Fracture Rodgers fractured his pinky toe during the ramp-up exercise period as he worked toward gaining medical clearance to play in the Packers' Week 10 game vs. Seattle. The injury continued to linger throughout the season

LeFleur became head coach in 2019. Prior to his arrival, in 2017, Rodgers had his 2nd clavicle fracture, and worked to come back. Of course his whole passing rhythm was thrown off because of how he had to deal with the injury. Then, in 2018, he suffered the MCL sprain and a bone bruise which he played through. Not only was he dealing with trying to regain his fluidity in throwing the ball from the clavicle situation, but now it was being compounded by a knee injury that also effected his play.

Now, weigh this is LeFleur, and Gute's minds. In both 2017 and 2018, Rodgers suffered injuries that were serious enough to effect his game, and there was absolutely nothing for them to look at from a coaching perspective that said he was about to return to form. In their minds, the frightening fact is that it appeared Rodgers days were done. In 2019, LeFleur's first year, Rodgers didn't look like the pre-injury Rodgers. It looked like his game had slipped. The problem is, and I said it repeatedly, even prior to 2019, Rodgers' game was going to slip because of the type of injuries he suffered. It would take time for him to get all facets of his passing game back on track. In fact, I figured 2019 would be pretty much lost to that recovery, and that's exactly how it played out.

LeFleur, and Gute didn't see it that way, and from their perspective saw a situation where they needed to find someone to replace Rodgers because the day was not that far off where they'd need to let him go, or he'd walk away from the game. In fact, Rodgers was talking a little bit out whether or not he wanted to continue until he was 40, and hinting that might not be the case one day, and saying he wanted to play forever the next. They made the decision to cover their rears, by finding the best replacement they could, as quickly as possible, and to let Rodgers fade away. I can't fault them for that, and I can't fault them for moving up to pick Love, if they honestly believed Love had the tools to do the job in the LeFleur offense.

Of course Rodgers saw it as them booting him out the door when he wasn't ready. He'd fought through injuries, and was preparing for the next season. I think - in the back of his mind - they were ignoring the fact that he played through the injuries the best he could, and blamed a lack of success on him. With his fragile ego, guess what? He got mad.

The last two seasons are a result of them making that pick, and his dedication to prove them wrong. He's worked as hard, if not harder, without any of us seeing it outwardly, to be even better than he'd been prior to the injuries. In fact, I think the drafting of Love acted as a real motivator, because he was not about to let anyone tell him when it was time to leave, he'd be making that decision on his own. But, because they did act like it was their intent, he decided to punish the organization if he succeeded in coming back.

The two MVP awards are a direct result of his anger/resentment towards management, and to offset his anger, it was going to take more money than anyone had ever been paid for 3 years of football, and possibly only two.

So, yes. I see why they drafted Love under those circumstances. At the same time, based on my personal involvement in football, I saw that the only thing lacking in Rodgers game was the field time that would help him rebuild his rhythm for the game. He would be back.

Nobody is wrong. Attacking either side doesn't make any sense. It all happened because both sides saw the issue differently, and for the right reasons, based on their perceptions.

So, cheers to all of you!
 

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I'm going to go on record as agreeing, and disagreeing, with the justifications for drafting Love. My reasons are simple enough, and we sometimes miss the whole story. It's easy to see how it happens.

For openers, it's very true that Rodgers had two "down years" at QB, prior to taking Love. That was a signal to Gutekunst, and LeFleur, that Rodgers may have been nearing the end of the road. BUT, as is often overlooked by all of us, without realizing it is that the observations of LeFleur. Let's look at Rodgers injury history.

Injury History​



DateLeagueInjuryDetails
Nov 19, 2006NFLPedal Foot FractureRodgers was placed on IR after suffering a foot fracture.
Oct 10, 2010NFLHead Cranial Concussion Grade 1Rodgers didn't miss a game following his Week 5 concussion.
Dec 12, 2010NFLHead Cranial Concussion Grade 1Rodgers missed 1 game with his 2nd concussion of 2010.
Nov 4, 2013NFLShoulder Clavicle FractureRodgers' injury forced him to miss the next 7 games.
Dec 21, 2014NFLLeg Calf TearRodgers reportedly had a "slight" tear in his calf.
Dec 11, 2016NFLLeg Calf StrainRodgers' injury wasn't considered serious.
Oct 15, 2017NFLShoulder Clavicle FractureRodgers returned for 1 game before sitting out the final 2 weeks.
Dec 30, 2018NFLHead Cranial Concussion Grade 1Rodgers departed in the 2nd quarter and never returned.
Sep 9, 2018NFLKnee MCL Sprain Grade 2Rodgers was carted off but later returned vs. Chicago. He dealt with a sprain and a bone bruise for most of the season.
Nov 13, 2021NFLPedal Toe FractureRodgers fractured his pinky toe during the ramp-up exercise period as he worked toward gaining medical clearance to play in the Packers' Week 10 game vs. Seattle. The injury continued to linger throughout the season

LeFleur became head coach in 2019. Prior to his arrival, in 2017, Rodgers had his 2nd clavicle fracture, and worked to come back. Of course his whole passing rhythm was thrown off because of how he had to deal with the injury. Then, in 2018, he suffered the MCL sprain and a bone bruise which he played through. Not only was he dealing with trying to regain his fluidity in throwing the ball from the clavicle situation, but now it was being compounded by a knee injury that also effected his play.

Now, weigh this is LeFleur, and Gute's minds. In both 2017 and 2018, Rodgers suffered injuries that were serious enough to effect his game, and there was absolutely nothing for them to look at from a coaching perspective that said he was about to return to form. In their minds, the frightening fact is that it appeared Rodgers days were done. In 2019, LeFleur's first year, Rodgers didn't look like the pre-injury Rodgers. It looked like his game had slipped. The problem is, and I said it repeatedly, even prior to 2019, Rodgers' game was going to slip because of the type of injuries he suffered. It would take time for him to get all facets of his passing game back on track. In fact, I figured 2019 would be pretty much lost to that recovery, and that's exactly how it played out.

LeFleur, and Gute didn't see it that way, and from their perspective saw a situation where they needed to find someone to replace Rodgers because the day was not that far off where they'd need to let him go, or he'd walk away from the game. In fact, Rodgers was talking a little bit out whether or not he wanted to continue until he was 40, and hinting that might not be the case one day, and saying he wanted to play forever the next. They made the decision to cover their rears, by finding the best replacement they could, as quickly as possible, and to let Rodgers fade away. I can't fault them for that, and I can't fault them for moving up to pick Love, if they honestly believed Love had the tools to do the job in the LeFleur offense.

Of course Rodgers saw it as them booting him out the door when he wasn't ready. He'd fought through injuries, and was preparing for the next season. I think - in the back of his mind - they were ignoring the fact that he played through the injuries the best he could, and blamed a lack of success on him. With his fragile ego, guess what? He got mad.

The last two seasons are a result of them making that pick, and his dedication to prove them wrong. He's worked as hard, if not harder, without any of us seeing it outwardly, to be even better than he'd been prior to the injuries. In fact, I think the drafting of Love acted as a real motivator, because he was not about to let anyone tell him when it was time to leave, he'd be making that decision on his own. But, because they did act like it was their intent, he decided to punish the organization if he succeeded in coming back.

The two MVP awards are a direct result of his anger/resentment towards management, and to offset his anger, it was going to take more money than anyone had ever been paid for 3 years of football, and possibly only two.

So, yes. I see why they drafted Love under those circumstances. At the same time, based on my personal involvement in football, I saw that the only thing lacking in Rodgers game was the field time that would help him rebuild his rhythm for the game. He would be back.

Nobody is wrong. Attacking either side doesn't make any sense. It all happened because both sides saw the issue differently, and for the right reasons, based on their perceptions.

So, cheers to all of you!
I can think of a lot of "what if" scenarios that would/could make Gute look like a fricking genius or some that would make him look like a complete idiot, over this pick. But all of them are exactly that, "what ifs". The important part to understanding the big picture, those "what ifs" existed before the draft in 2020 and some still exist today. Just because they didn't happen, doesn't mean they didn't exist.

As I was watching this off season of typical QB trading and will no doubt watch another draft where Teams use high picks in hope of finding that next HOF QB, I can't help but to feel very lucky. I am a fan of a football team that has had 2 straight HOF QB's running the team for the past 30 years. I appreciate that Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson saw the value in obtaining both of those QB's before they were needed, as well as before they proved themselves to even be capable NFL QB's. 2 swings and 2 Grand slams! So when Gute saw a potential future QB drop to him in 2020 and he felt now was the time to try and repeat organizational history, I have to think he was thinking exactly what Wolf and TT were thinking "Crap, I hope I am right, but I really love this guy!"
 

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I can think of a lot of "what if" scenarios that would/could make Gute look like a fricking genius or some that would make him look like a complete idiot, over this pick. But all of them are exactly that, "what ifs". The important part to understanding the big picture, those "what ifs" existed before the draft in 2020 and some still exist today. Just because they didn't happen, doesn't mean they didn't exist.

As I was watching this off season of typical QB trading and will no doubt watch another draft where Teams use high picks in hope of finding that next HOF QB, I can't help but to feel very lucky. I am a fan of a football team that has had 2 straight HOF QB's running the team for the past 30 years. I appreciate that Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson saw the value in obtaining both of those QB's before they were needed, as well as before they proved themselves to even be capable NFL QB's. 2 swings and 2 Grand slams! So when Gute saw a potential future QB drop to him in 2020 and he felt now was the time to try and repeat organizational history, I have to think he was thinking exactly what Wolf and TT were thinking "Crap, I hope I am right, but I really love this guy!"
Bingo, we have a winner.
 

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I can think of a lot of "what if" scenarios that would/could make Gute look like a fricking genius or some that would make him look like a complete idiot, over this pick. But all of them are exactly that, "what ifs". The important part to understanding the big picture, those "what ifs" existed before the draft in 2020 and some still exist today. Just because they didn't happen, doesn't mean they didn't exist.

As I was watching this off season of typical QB trading and will no doubt watch another draft where Teams use high picks in hope of finding that next HOF QB, I can't help but to feel very lucky. I am a fan of a football team that has had 2 straight HOF QB's running the team for the past 30 years. I appreciate that Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson saw the value in obtaining both of those QB's before they were needed, as well as before they proved themselves to even be capable NFL QB's. 2 swings and 2 Grand slams! So when Gute saw a potential future QB drop to him in 2020 and he felt now was the time to try and repeat organizational history, I have to think he was thinking exactly what Wolf and TT were thinking "Crap, I hope I am right, but I really love this guy!"

It's all about perspectives.

That's what makes boards like this fun. We can all have our own views, and as long as everyone recognizes that's everyone's right, the discussions are enjoyable. We just need to make sure we don't let our own perspectives become intolerable of the opinion of someone else.

Anyhow, that's my opinion. ;)
 
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